Guide: How to be safe from The Code

[NeilF]

In light of the recent discussion about a piracy operation which resulted in the death of a trader (and the associated salt):

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=201616

I thought I would put together a guide on the ways you can stay safe from The Code. There exist 3 modes of playing Elite, Open, Solo and Private groups.

Solo: You are 100% safe, but like solitary confinement, you will go space crazy after a few months of talking to yourself.

Private Groups: Speaking of the larger, you have protections from PvP outside of Combat Zones only. I also think it is possible to Pirate inside of this group and not break the rules...more on this much later on when I give it a go.

Open: Elite dangerous is a free for all, as long as the same player is not targeted over and over again (the true meaning of Griefing), and no hacking occurs (Combat logging is hacking the game to your advantage). However The Code is more civilized than the rest of the galaxy, they have engagement rules.

If you are a trader, you are fair game, if you attempt to run when pulled be aware that your hull can often reach 0% before your drives. If you want to be safe, follow the instructions to drop the requested amount of cargo, if you do that then you will not be killed. If you are asked for 50 Tons of xyz, and you drop 50 tons of something else, or if asked to abandon and you just drop as Illegal, then you put yourself at risk. If you charge FSD, it will put you at risk. Sitting there not doing anything for an extended amount of time, will put you at risk (most people have report crimes on, Pirates are not wanting to deal with the 4 NPC who jump in). If you combat log, you will be reported for hacking, and your name will go on a Kill on Sight list within Code.

If you are a bounty hunter, with interdictor and KWS, that makes you a pirate hunter, Code is a pirate group, you can expect some action. Not want the action?, drop the bounty hunting. That means if there is a Community goal to hunt pirates, do not be surprised if The Code is there in force opposing that goal. There is an exception to this, if you are in a Sidewider or similar non-combat ship (cobras and vipers can be fitted as capable combat ships though), or have a ranking Harmless or weaker, you will not be targeted.

Finally the best way to be safe from The Code, is to join The Code (but you need more than a T6 to join). The number #1 rule is we do not kill our own, so you will be safe, live a life as one of the chosen few.

You forgot...

Stop your ship and type in Text Chat, "Wow! Don't shoot! Just tell me what I need to do!" And then immediately go to your menu and exit to menu... 15 seconds later you've "warped" safetly away.

No doubt you'll be put on a list of theirs... But hey ho...


Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Code, but as the game stands at the moment, with such simplistic (non-existent) game mechanics and ineffectual crime and punishment system, CODE is all but synonymous with "an excuse to gank" (IMHO)!

So until such time as the game actually allows you to achieve what you state you're trying to do, and/or protects players in OPEN from inane pointless ganking, I can't really go along with it... I'll do quite literally whatever I need to do to ensure gankers don't get rewarded... My only personal experience of CODE is one of their members repeatedly ramming ships (to destruction) next to a platform, obviously relishing making the most of an exploit, and causing grief to other gamers. Hardly earns any respect for the group does it, and of course instead just promotes their "gankness".

 

[satrycus]

I am not banned from Mobius, for the simple fact is I have never broken any of their rules. There is no rule within Code which states Code members are prohibited from Mobius. The minute you enforce rules not on fact, but spirit, then persecution takes over (your honour the plaintif was not actually caught speeded, however, from the look on their face it obvious they were going to speed, hence why I gave a speeding ticket).

Ah, this thread has been as entertaining as it has enlightening. I think people should take a minute to ponder which 'code' MrSpencer (hereafter Frank) and his likeminded chums are most interested in. True, they do have their own set of rules, which are interpreted in a variety of ways including ignoring them entirely, but some members just seem to treat them as a bit of fluff to give the group a common 'cause' and to allow self-policing.

You see it's not their 'code' that some of them care most about it, it's yours. When you play in open or private group, you're agreeing to play the game under an 'agreed' set of rules and as long as a code member sticks to these rules anything they do to you is fair game. After all, you both agreed to it, right?

Take our Frank's proposed foray into Mobius in search of fun and frolics. Both Frank and his potential playmates have all agreed to play the game under both the E: D terms of service and Mobius' own rules. If Frank has found a way to have fun within the confines of the rules but as a result diminishes the enjoyment of one of his playmates, then is it Frank's fault? No! Of course not, Frank's playing by the rules.

Frank's in the right, Frank has the moral high ground, Frank followed the rules like he was supposed to and woe betide anyone who complains, because they're just salty spoilt sports who are persecuting Frank for just having fun. Frank sad :'( Frank being oppressed :'(

While I must say that I'm slightly impressed by the lengths that some members of code have gone to find a new meta-game and attempt to reach Elite in 'Rules-Lawyering', I'm beginning to doubt that the code as a group will ever shed the image it now has. I have been interdicted by code pilots on a couple of occasions and in each case I was treated well and enjoyed the encounter. Mr. Fang has a great future ahead in PR/politics/diplomacy/BP and as the public face of code his words have gone a long way to gaining the group some respect, but I had hoped by now they would have become something more. Call me a fool for dreaming, but I'd like my future pirate encounters to be nerve wracking and fun rather than being like a time and motion study.

 

[mrspoonsi]

I am looking forward to finding out what you have planned, and then adding a paragraph to the policy.

I am quite looking forward to it also, however I need 1.5 to drop first to pull it off effectively...I will be sure to post the results of my endeavours, here on this very forum. Perhaps after (I will take video) you can contact the other people involved it to see how they feel about it, who knows they might even welcome it as an interesting diversion and it might not need a clause to exclude the practice.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You do not know what I intend to do, I can 100% say it is not in breach of Mobius rules. You could request that Mobius pre-emptively ban me, for a future action which is not against the rules (I know about shooting outside of CZ, I know interdictions are not allowed, I not plan any of that). I fully intend to play ED by its set rules and within Mobius by its set rules.

Is this a nice way of saying you're looking to exploit loopholes?

 

[TheDayman]

Yeah, I'll stick to Solo/Group because of silly pathetic groups like yours. Or, the few times I do play in open, I'll just soft combat log. Sorry, but you jerks aren't wasting my time. Have fun with that!

 

[Kicks]

Let's try and keep the thread vaguely to the topic please.

Thanks

Phil

There's a topic?

 

[Wolf]

I am quite looking forward to it also, however I need 1.5 to drop first to pull it off effectively...I will be sure to post the results of my endeavours, here on this very forum. Perhaps after (I will take video) you can contact the other people involved it to see how they feel about it, who knows they might even welcome it as an interesting diversion and it might not need a clause to exclude the practice.

Indeed, that is absolutely possible.

We will just wait and see what your cunning plan is.

And in the end it is the majority of the group members who decide what kind of gameplay they find enjoying or should be not allowed inside the group.
Just like we had the discussion about the CZ before the current version of the policy was drawn up.

 

[Philip Coutts]

<glares at Kicks and Ziggy> Yes there is a topic, remember, how to stay safe and all that, please try to at least wave your posts in the general direction of it...

 

[tanman]

I am quite looking forward to it also, however I need 1.5 to drop first to pull it off effectively...I will be sure to post the results of my endeavours, here on this very forum. Perhaps after (I will take video) you can contact the other people involved it to see how they feel about it, who knows they might even welcome it as an interesting diversion and it might not need a clause to exclude the practice.

Do you mind posting your handle that you use in the game? since what your about to do is not against the rules of the Mobius group, I'm sure they won't permaban you if you release your cmdr name.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Yeah, I'll stick to Solo/Group because of silly pathetic groups like yours. Or, the few times I do play in open, I'll just soft combat log. Sorry, but you jerks aren't wasting my time. Have fun with that!

indeed.. and according to Mr Spoonsi, it is perfectly acceptable to TELL us you are going to combat log and CODE will not hold it against you, so long as they do not prove you combat log.

unless of course, shiver me timbers, they are raging hypocrites

 

[okiimatsu]

Is this the group referred to as "The Choad"?

 

[Spicy Weiner]

what are you going to do instead of shooting someone to get the to drop cargo?

I was wondering this myself?
Questions : would using a Hatch breaker Limpet be regarded as "shooting" within the Mobius rules? They are not "Guns" per say

We all know about the many many fat juicy (slow T9) targets chugging their way up too the letter box in CG's . Could the OP (pirate s**m) use a HB Limpet to extract cargo from Mobius members -without interdiction or Guns Blazing- at that time?

Also is blocking the letter box against the rules in Mobius? I've read reports about people doing this (not in Mobius)

And my last one: slamming your un-shielded eagle into a speeding trader so the station destroys the trader---- would this be grounds for getting bounced from Mobius ( I think it's a very low tactic but we are typing in a pirate thread)

Just so you know how I play : I'm a member of Mobius and Happy to be one

 

[ErichZann]

I was wondering this myself?
Questions : would using a Hatch breaker Limpet be regarded as "shooting" within the Mobius rules? They are not "Guns" per say

We all know about the many many fat juicy (slow T9) targets chugging their way up too the letter box in CG's . Could the OP (pirate s**m) use a HB Limpet to extract cargo from Mobius members -without interdiction or Guns Blazing- at that time?

Also is blocking the letter box against the rules in Mobius? I've read reports about people doing this (not in Mobius)

And my last one: slamming your un-shielded eagle into a speeding trader so the station destroys the trader---- would this be grounds for getting bounced from Mobius ( I think it's a very low tactic but we are typing in a pirate thread)

Just so you know how I play : I'm a member of Mobius and Happy to be one

The game treats it the same way as shootig, the target becomes red and you get a bounty for assault. So there is no excuse saying that a hatch breaker is not attacking...

 

[Spicy Weiner]

The game treats it the same way as shootig, the target becomes red and you get a bounty for assault. So there is no excuse saying that a hatch breaker is not attacking...

Ah... very good . I didn't know that as I've never used one . Now is it against Mobius's rules as this OP thinks he's found a way around their "wording"

 

[Dingus Maximus]

That is actually griefing, congrats!



http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Griefers

Irritates and harasses other players - Im sorry you feel that we harass and irritate you. But you do harass and irritate other players - Whats do you do if a cmdr wins the mini game?

often using aspects of gameplay in unintended ways by exploiting buggy game mechanics - I believe Interdicting is an intended mechanic

especially when it involves player killing - Nope not killing you. You however do.

griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users - No, i dont take pleasure of doing it. Infact i would much rather be getting on with my own things. Put it this way were taking ont he role of our incompetent police.

and as such is a particular nuisance, since in-game penalties do not usually deter them - It doesnt to you at least you got that right, but for some of us playing BGS it does.


Now for added challenge when clearing Code out of the system try doing it in a silent build

 

[Cmdr Andy B]

Ah... very good . I didn't know that as I've never used one . Now is it against Mobius's rules as this OP thinks he's found a way around their "wording"

it would be against the rules, an attack is an attack no matter how its accomplished. he could try it in a CZ and he would still be within the rules but i don't see him extracting any cargo by doing so.

 

[Kicks]

it would be against the rules, an attack is an attack no matter how its accomplished. he could try it in a CZ and he would still be within the rules but i don't see him extracting any cargo by doing so.

Yeah, all you're going to get in a CZ is several tonnes of hot air.

 

[bladerunner900]

There's a topic?

I believe the topic was "How to be safe from The Code". But as usual it has devolved into a Code Mobius bashing contest. The whole thing was designed as click bait in my opinion.

 

[mrspoonsi]

Do you mind posting your handle that you use in the game? since what your about to do is not against the rules of the Mobius group, I'm sure they won't permaban you if you release your cmdr name.

It may shock you, my in game handle is mrspoonsi

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

How to stay safe from the Code.

1: Compliment the ship. Wow, nice Anaconda, much nicer than my T-6. Or, is that a C4 laser, or are you just happy to see me?
2: Appeal to the Code ego. Oh my, the Code, I heard so much about you. Well, let me assure you I'm shaking in my boots.
3: Whatever you do, don't ask: Hey are you those guys from EvE? Really don't. Even though it's really funny, don't. Ok, perhaps once or twice.
4: When they ask you to abandon your cargo, be careful not to make your ship shake while you're laughing.

Alternatively: in Horizons, leave the bubble, set off for the sunset, any sunset you like, and give em the (index)finger from 20,000 Ly away.