Happy Now ?

Dommarraa · Dec 3, 2020

Now that we have official word that Happiness is used in the expansion rules, does anyone have any detailed experience of how to Increase Happiness ?
(Lets call it the "Crowther Rule" so we know who to blame)

I can see that there is a good (but not perfect) correlation between Happiness and high values on the 2 sliders, so general Trade/Bounties/Missions actions are good levers, but :
What about Exploration Data ?
Are there specific actions that help more than others ?
Are there any actions or states that hinder ?

Jmanis · Dec 3, 2020

Dommarraa said:
Now that we have official word that Happiness is used in the expansion rules...

We do? Linkage?

Factabulous · Dec 3, 2020

Jmanis said:
We do? Linkage?

Paul_Crowther said:
A faction's eligible for expansion if it's over 75% influence in any given system that doesn't have a conflict active within it. A faction can only have one expansion at once, no matter how many systems its present in. If multiple systems are eligible, then it chooses the one with the highest happiness.

Do we believe them?

Dommarraa · Dec 3, 2020

Factabulous said:
Do we believe them?

Well, I can PROVE the old "fixed but apparently random" methodology is not working, so its more likely to be true than that !
I have looked at our historical data since FC release, and I cannot so far disprove this new method. Mainly because 93% of our systems are in the "Happy" band so there is no differentiation, but I have to go with the evidence until I can disprove it.

I too dismissed their original assertion that it was based on Happiness, especially as the Squad Page reports a totally bogus "Happiest System". Maybe they were right all along but people never noticed the difference (High Inf does weakly correlate to Elated), maybe it only came in with FC but they never mentioned it
I also appreciate the new bit of info regarding ANY conflict was missing or unclear (I know it looks like it might be a cross-version-misspeak)

I am not declaring the new statement as the "Word of Dav" - But you have to work with what you are given.

Ian Doncaster · Dec 3, 2020

There seems to be some correlation between happiness and states, and what you'd "expect" the happiness of those states to be, but not an exact one.

It's inexact enough that I'd suspect "both have the same underlying cause" rather than "states cause happiness"

Jmanis · Dec 3, 2020

Ian Doncaster said:
There seems to be some correlation between happiness and states, and what you'd "expect" the happiness of those states to be, but not an exact one.

It's inexact enough that I'd suspect "both have the same underlying cause" rather than "states cause happiness"

Hmmmmmmm.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

I always assumed when I saw a state like Infrastructure Failure, that the unhappiness came from that. But maybe it's the other way around >.>

Ian Doncaster · Dec 3, 2020

Here's what I get by comparing happiness with state for everywhere in Colonia since June 1 this year. With the exception of "None" there's no guarantee that the faction wasn't also experiencing another state as well
(Noting that there is a Journal bug where happiness values can end up corrupted, and common mismatches even without that between the journal and right panel values, so this is only approximate)

	Elated	Happy	Discontented	Unhappy	Average (elated=1,unhappy=4)
Blight	16	72	218	8	2.7
Boom	1525	7703	154	0	1.9
Bust	58	721	1857	0	2.7
Civil Lib	2669	1956	90	2	1.5
Civil Unrest	101	2301	2603	6	2.5
Drought	9	195	55	0	2.2
Election	98	630	24	0	1.9
Expansion	791	8547	509	0	2.0
Famine	21	322	280	7	2.4
Inf Fail	99	1366	415	0	2.2
Investment	1543	2083	79	1	1.6
Lockdown	2	91	535	0	2.8
Nat Dis	6	80	17	0	2.1
None	993	31012	444	2	2.0
Outbreak	36	892	103	0	2.1
Pirate Attack	7	305	41	1	2.1
Public Hol	261	131	8	0	1.4
Retreat	49	1772	170	1	2.1
Terrorism	15	203	21	0	2.0
War	34	912	90	2	2.1

And here's the correlation between influence and happiness

Influence%	Elated	Happy	Discontented	Unhappy	Average (e=1,u=4)
0-9	793	27586	2615	7	2.1
10-19	837	15323	898	3	2.0
20-29	176	2284	71	0	2.0
30-39	292	1348	36	1	1.8
40-49	724	1747	45	1	1.7
50-59	777	1917	43	0	1.7
60-69	620	2281	65	1	1.8
70-79	337	1651	46	0	1.9
80-89	141	524	10	0	1.8
90-99	62	165	9	0	1.8

goemon · Dec 3, 2020

Ian Doncaster said:
Here's what I get by comparing happiness with state for everywhere in Colonia since June 1 this year. With the exception of "None" there's no guarantee that the faction wasn't also experiencing another state as well
(Noting that there is a Journal bug where happiness values can end up corrupted, and common mismatches even without that between the journal and right panel values, so this is only approximate)

Elated
Happy
Discontented
Unhappy

Average (elated=1,unhappy=4)
Blight
16
72
218
8

2.7
Boom
1525
7703
154
0

1.9
Bust
58
721
1857
0

2.7
Civil Lib
2669
1956
90
2

1.5
Civil Unrest
101
2301
2603
6

2.5
Drought
9
195
55
0

2.2
Election
98
630
24
0

1.9
Expansion
791
8547
509
0

2.0
Famine
21
322
280
7

2.4
Inf Fail
99
1366
415
0

2.2
Investment
1543
2083
79
1

1.6
Lockdown
2
91
535
0

2.8
Nat Dis
6
80
17
0

2.1
None
993
31012
444
2

2.0
Outbreak
36
892
103
0

2.1
Pirate Attack
7
305
41
1

2.1
Public Hol
261
131
8
0

1.4
Retreat
49
1772
170
1

2.1
Terrorism
15
203
21
0

2.0
War
34
912
90
2

2.1

And here's the correlation between influence and happiness

Influence%
Elated
Happy
Discontented
Unhappy

Average (e=1,u=4)
0-9
793
27586
2615
7

2.1
10-19
837
15323
898
3

2.0
20-29
176
2284
71
0

2.0
30-39
292
1348
36
1

1.8
40-49
724
1747
45
1

1.7
50-59
777
1917
43
0

1.7
60-69
620
2281
65
1

1.8
70-79
337
1651
46
0

1.9
80-89
141
524
10
0

1.8
90-99
62
165
9
0

1.8

i somehow think to remember, that happiness is bound to more favourable than unfavourable states occorring.

if it is not a crazy amount of work, could you maybe correlated something like that?

boom, investment, civil liberty, public holiday: +1
bust, famine, outbreak, blight, drought, terrorist attack, pirate attack: -1

I'm not sure where to put the conflict states and where to put expansions, but my gut feeling would be:
war/civil war: -1
election: 0
expansion: +1
retreat: -1

with that one could build a pool and see whetehr that correlates to happiness values.

Ian Doncaster · Dec 3, 2020

goemon said:
i somehow think to remember, that happiness is bound to more favourable than unfavourable states occorring.

Here's one system, one faction, and the states (Elated=1, Unhappy=4 for the happiness number) - Colonia Cooperative in Ratraii (this would have been the Expansion source system)

(Look at the changes in October for an example of a lot of happiness variance despite similar states)

Date	Happiness	States
2020-06-01	2	Investment,Pirate Attack
2020-06-02	2	Investment,Pirate Attack
2020-06-03	2	Investment
2020-06-04	2	Investment
2020-06-05	3	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-06	3	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-07	2	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-08	2	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-09	2	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-10	1	Investment,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-06-11	2	Investment,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-06-12	1	Investment,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-06-13	1	Investment,Civil Liberty
2020-06-14	1	Investment,Civil Liberty
2020-06-15	2	Investment,Civil Liberty
2020-06-16	1	Investment,Civil Liberty
2020-06-17	2	Investment
2020-06-18	2	Investment
2020-06-19	2	Investment
2020-06-20	2	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-21	2	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-22	3	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-23	2	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-24	2	Investment,Expansion
2020-06-25	2	None
2020-06-26	2	Boom
2020-06-27	2	Boom
2020-06-28	2	Boom
2020-06-29	2	Boom,Pirate Attack
2020-06-30	2	Boom,Pirate Attack
2020-07-01	2	Boom,Pirate Attack
2020-07-02	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-07-03	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-04	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-05	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-06	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-07	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-08	2	Boom
2020-07-09	2	Boom
2020-07-10	2	Boom
2020-07-11	2	Boom
2020-07-12	2	Boom
2020-07-13	2	Boom
2020-07-14	2	Boom
2020-07-15	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-07-16	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-17	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-18	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-19	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-20	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-21	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-22	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-23	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-24	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-25	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-26	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-27	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-28	2	Boom,Pirate Attack,Expansion
2020-07-29	2	Boom,Pirate Attack,Expansion
2020-07-30	2	Boom,Pirate Attack,Expansion
2020-07-31	3	Boom,Expansion
2020-08-01	2	Boom
2020-08-02	2	Boom
2020-08-03	2	Boom
2020-08-04	2	Boom
2020-08-05	2	Boom
2020-08-06	2	Boom
2020-08-07	2	Boom
2020-08-08	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-08-09	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-08-10	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-08-11	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-08-12	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-08-13	1	Boom
2020-08-14	2	Boom
2020-08-15	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-16	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-17	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-18	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-19	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-20	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-21	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-22	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-23	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-24	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-25	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-26	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-27	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Public Holiday
2020-08-28	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Public Holiday
2020-08-29	2	Boom
2020-08-30	2	Boom
2020-08-31	2	Boom
2020-09-01	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-09-02	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-09-03	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-09-04	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-09-05	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-09-06	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-09-07	2	Boom
2020-09-08	2	Boom
2020-09-09	2	Boom
2020-09-10	2	Boom
2020-09-11	3	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-12	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-13	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-14	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-15	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-16	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-17	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-18	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-19	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-20	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-21	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-22	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-23	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Public Holiday
2020-09-24	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Public Holiday
2020-09-25	2	Boom
2020-09-26	2	Boom
2020-09-27	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-09-28	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-09-29	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-09-30	3	Boom,Expansion
2020-10-01	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-10-02	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-10-03	2	Boom
2020-10-04	2	Boom
2020-10-05	2	Boom
2020-10-06	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-07	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-08	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-09	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-10	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-11	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-12	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-13	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-14	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-15	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-16	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-17	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-18	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-19	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Pirate Attack
2020-10-20	3	Boom,Civil Liberty,Pirate Attack
2020-10-21	2	Boom,Civil Liberty,Pirate Attack
2020-10-22	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-23	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-24	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-25	3	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-26	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-27	3	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-28	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-10-29	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-10-30	2	Boom
2020-10-31	2	Boom
2020-11-01	2	Boom
2020-11-02	2	Boom
2020-11-03	2	Boom
2020-11-04	2	Boom
2020-11-05	2	Boom
2020-11-06	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-11-07	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-11-08	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-11-09	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-11-10	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-11-11	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-11-12	2	Expansion
2020-11-13	2	None
2020-11-14	2	None
2020-11-15	1	Public Holiday
2020-11-16	1	Public Holiday
2020-11-17	2	None
2020-11-18	2	None
2020-11-19	2	None
2020-11-20	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-11-21	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-11-22	2	Boom,Expansion
2020-11-23	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-11-24	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-11-25	1	Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-11-26	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-11-27	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-11-28	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-11-29	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-11-30	2	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-12-01	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-12-02	1	Boom,Civil Liberty

This is why I suspect that player actions cause both happiness and states by somewhat different mechanisms, with it just being the case that the actions likely to cause Civil Lib or Public Holiday are also likely to be +happiness, and the actions that cause Blight or Lockdown are also likely to be -happiness. But not guaranteed in either case...

goemon · Dec 3, 2020

Ian Doncaster said:
Here's one system, one faction, and the states (Elated=1, Unhappy=4 for the happiness number) - Colonia Cooperative in Ratraii (this would have been the Expansion source system)

(Look at the changes in October for an example of a lot of happiness variance despite similar states)

Date
Happiness
States
2020-06-01
2
Investment,Pirate Attack
2020-06-02
2
Investment,Pirate Attack
2020-06-03
2
Investment
2020-06-04
2
Investment
2020-06-05
3
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-06
3
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-07
2
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-08
2
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-09
2
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-10
1
Investment,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-06-11
2
Investment,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-06-12
1
Investment,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-06-13
1
Investment,Civil Liberty
2020-06-14
1
Investment,Civil Liberty
2020-06-15
2
Investment,Civil Liberty
2020-06-16
1
Investment,Civil Liberty
2020-06-17
2
Investment
2020-06-18
2
Investment
2020-06-19
2
Investment
2020-06-20
2
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-21
2
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-22
3
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-23
2
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-24
2
Investment,Expansion
2020-06-25
2
None
2020-06-26
2
Boom
2020-06-27
2
Boom
2020-06-28
2
Boom
2020-06-29
2
Boom,Pirate Attack
2020-06-30
2
Boom,Pirate Attack
2020-07-01
2
Boom,Pirate Attack
2020-07-02
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-07-03
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-04
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-05
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-06
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-07
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-08
2
Boom
2020-07-09
2
Boom
2020-07-10
2
Boom
2020-07-11
2
Boom
2020-07-12
2
Boom
2020-07-13
2
Boom
2020-07-14
2
Boom
2020-07-15
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-07-16
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-17
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-18
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-19
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-20
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-21
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-22
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-23
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-24
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-25
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-26
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-07-27
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-07-28
2
Boom,Pirate Attack,Expansion
2020-07-29
2
Boom,Pirate Attack,Expansion
2020-07-30
2
Boom,Pirate Attack,Expansion
2020-07-31
3
Boom,Expansion
2020-08-01
2
Boom
2020-08-02
2
Boom
2020-08-03
2
Boom
2020-08-04
2
Boom
2020-08-05
2
Boom
2020-08-06
2
Boom
2020-08-07
2
Boom
2020-08-08
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-08-09
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-08-10
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-08-11
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-08-12
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-08-13
1
Boom
2020-08-14
2
Boom
2020-08-15
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-16
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-17
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-18
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-19
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-20
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-21
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-22
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-23
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-24
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-08-25
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-26
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-08-27
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Public Holiday
2020-08-28
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Public Holiday
2020-08-29
2
Boom
2020-08-30
2
Boom
2020-08-31
2
Boom
2020-09-01
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-09-02
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-09-03
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-09-04
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-09-05
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-09-06
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-09-07
2
Boom
2020-09-08
2
Boom
2020-09-09
2
Boom
2020-09-10
2
Boom
2020-09-11
3
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-12
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-13
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-14
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-15
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-16
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-17
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-18
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-19
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-09-20
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-21
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-22
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-23
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Public Holiday
2020-09-24
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Public Holiday
2020-09-25
2
Boom
2020-09-26
2
Boom
2020-09-27
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-09-28
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-09-29
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-09-30
3
Boom,Expansion
2020-10-01
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-10-02
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-10-03
2
Boom
2020-10-04
2
Boom
2020-10-05
2
Boom
2020-10-06
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-07
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-08
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-09
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-10
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-11
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-12
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-13
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-14
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-15
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-16
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-17
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-18
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-19
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Pirate Attack
2020-10-20
3
Boom,Civil Liberty,Pirate Attack
2020-10-21
2
Boom,Civil Liberty,Pirate Attack
2020-10-22
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-23
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-10-24
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-25
3
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-26
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-27
3
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-10-28
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-10-29
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-10-30
2
Boom
2020-10-31
2
Boom
2020-11-01
2
Boom
2020-11-02
2
Boom
2020-11-03
2
Boom
2020-11-04
2
Boom
2020-11-05
2
Boom
2020-11-06
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-11-07
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-11-08
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-11-09
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-11-10
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-11-11
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-11-12
2
Expansion
2020-11-13
2
None
2020-11-14
2
None
2020-11-15
1
Public Holiday
2020-11-16
1
Public Holiday
2020-11-17
2
None
2020-11-18
2
None
2020-11-19
2
None
2020-11-20
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-11-21
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-11-22
2
Boom,Expansion
2020-11-23
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-11-24
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-11-25
1
Boom,Civil Liberty,Expansion
2020-11-26
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-11-27
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-11-28
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-11-29
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-11-30
2
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-12-01
1
Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-12-02
1
Boom,Civil Liberty

This is why I suspect that player actions cause both happiness and states by somewhat different mechanisms, with it just being the case that the actions likely to cause Civil Lib or Public Holiday are also likely to be +happiness, and the actions that cause Blight or Lockdown are also likely to be -happiness. But not guaranteed in either case...

thank you very much!

there is nothing like a theory being shred by a giant data table

okay, this looks so "random" - not bound to positive states happening, not even correlating.

This is why I suspect that player actions cause both happiness and states by somewhat different mechanisms

yeah, makes sense. damn!

Ian Doncaster · Dec 3, 2020

goemon said:
not even correlating

There's definitely some correlation.

Civil Lib, Investment and Public Holiday all seem to be correlated with higher happiness.
Bust, Blight, Civil Unrest, Lockdown and Famine all seem to be correlated with lower happiness.
The rest all seem pretty close to neutral.

The interesting thing there is that most of the negative eco/sec states are generally the long-running after-effects of another state draining them, rather than directly caused by people doing -eco or -sec actions. So maybe state does have some effect on happiness, even if not an overriding one.

goemon · Dec 3, 2020

Ian Doncaster said:
There's definitely some correlation.

yeah ... maybe some ... expansion might lower happiness... hmhmhm.

but look at this from your table:

2020-09-07	2	Boom
2020-09-08	2	Boom
2020-09-09	2	Boom
2020-09-10	2	Boom
2020-09-11	3	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-12	1	Boom,Civil Liberty
2020-09-13	2	Boom,Civil Liberty

10-9.->11.9 Happiness decreases, while civil liberty goes live

11.->12.9, Happiness jumps to elated without any new state
12.9.->13.9. Happiness decreases , while states still ongoing.

.. okay, so maybe states go live and effect happiness the next day?
that still wouldn't explain it better.

so, there must be definetly other things in play than favourable and unfavourable states. no straight correlation.

Ian Doncaster · Dec 3, 2020

Of course, we also have to bear in mind that the happiness data in-game is perhaps a bit unreliable. At my currently docked station:

Local news says the controlling faction is Elated, the other six are Happy
Side panel says all seven are Happy
My Journal now says all seven are Happy
But whoever's Journal fed the census site nearer the start of this tick said the controlling faction is Elated, the other six are Happy

So it's probably perfectly valid to adjust any happiness value which doesn't fit your theory by +/-1

...that, or happiness is updated live and the local news articles are just a little bit behind, which would make it even harder to tell what was going on...

Kryxix · Dec 3, 2020

Population size per long-term traffic size?

Dommarraa · Dec 3, 2020

Big Data is good, but being able to see the wood for the trees is what Data Analysts get paid the big bucks for (or at least APPEARING to see the wood for the trees)

I know its 5S (Statistically Small Sample Size Stupid), but looking at our 7 Elated systems :
Ignore 1 of them, we only just conquered it and has NO states, so its an edge case where we have recently done lots of work, but not enough to trigger the slider states.

All 6 have Boom or Investment
4 have Civil Liberty
3 have Public Holiday either active or recovering, might be a symptom rather than a cause
2 have Pirate Attack active or recovering, which I would guess is a symptom rather than a cause
None have a particularly high Inf (for our region)
They are all reasonably high traffic (for our region)
None have any other "negative" states active or recovering

That looks like a "push the sliders" correlation. Lets hope the meta-brain can finesse it a little.
Anyone know what Exploration Data does to sliders ?

Dommarraa · Dec 26, 2020

Ian Doncaster said:
...that, or happiness is updated live and the local news articles are just a little bit behind, which would make it even harder to tell what was going on...

Happiness does indeed seem almost impossible to track or to be certain about or both.
We had 1 system that (according to Elitebgs) in the space of 48 hours went from Happy to Elated to Happy to Discontent to Elated to Happy.

As a final double check, Station News said one thing, Status Panel said another.

goemon · Jan 6, 2021

AMA IV - Happy 3307

In an expansion attempt for a Power, is exactly half favorable factions enough to get reduced triggers? We've had both situations happening, so it would be interesting to know which is a bug and which is not. You need a clear majority of friendly systems for thresholds to be reduced.

forums.frontier.co.uk

Riverside said:

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What triggers happiness in Factions? It seems random.

Click to expand...

It's based on their active states in their various star systems. Some states increase happiness, others decrease it.

well, it is nice that the community managers have the same opinion as i had, before Ian D. came with his data...

goemon · Jan 16, 2021

okay.

looks as if hapiness CAN CHANGE during the same tick.

i just got a second journal entry myself of the same system today, both after client restart, both after same todays tick.

faction was happy 18:15, and is now elated 22:30.

which makes tracking hapiness near impossible.

plus - it makes it also clear, that Hapiness can't be determined by positive states going active (as during a tick no state changes).