different. looking at affective neuroscience of mammal brains, we are talking about oxytocin, ACTH, vasopressin, MSH, bradykinin, CCK, prolactin, neurotensin, enkephalin, endorphin, galanine and some more. all different neuropeptides participating in various brain functions, "triggered" by different brain activities - including gaming (which includes a variety and broad sample of basic brain activities as well as more complex ones).
Has anyone done a study of "masochism" within gaming?
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different. looking at affective neuroscience of mammal brains, we are talking about oxytocin, ACTH, vasopressin, MSH, bradykinin, CCK, prolactin, neurotensin, enkephalin, endorphin, galanine and some more. all different neuropeptides participating in various brain functions, "triggered" by different brain activities - including gaming (which includes a variety and broad sample of basic brain activities as well as more complex ones).
a real gambler wouldn't sign that.
more pronounced, as i played football in my youth (with some skill involved...), league organised by age, same rules for all make good challenges and great stories.
*cough*RNGneers*cough*
yeah ... the point is, most people play engineers not to win or loose, but to get a build working they planned out to some extend before... and very few play it to loose (whitch is half the fun of a game of dice or cards, isn't it?).
but generally, a game of dice, or including dice-rolls into a game is a good idea if you want to either have a moment of surprise/fate, or you want to level the field between different skills. if you play games with kids (i play dice- and card-games a lot with kids), you know what i mean (i for exampel can't beat my daughter at several skill involving card games since she turned 10, which is why we play card games which include luck of the draw to some extend).
While I agree with you on a general level, card games can also involve skill especially when calculating what the chances are of getting a good remaining card.
Engineers has an infinite chance of getting a bad roll, and that's the difference imo.
World of Warcraft uses a system where RNG plays a big role in the combat system but you can improve your chances with improvements in stats. Of course, those stats have a cap as well.
Sorry for my English. I'm trying my best lol.
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Engineers has an infinite chance of getting a bad roll, and that's the difference imo.
i think, the difference is that basically engineers works like this: "Rule: you have won if you roll 9 points or more with two dices. You can roll as often as you want. You can make up your own rule that you need 10, 11, or 12 points, too." - so basically you are playing a game of dices, where the main question is, when you'll get that 9-12 points, without time restriction.
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I was gonna write a reply to this but on reflection, I think not. Too many details about me that dont need to be shared one thinks.
Be that as it may, I came from a violent background, both parents in and outta prison...been inside a couple times meself. I think violence intrigues you? Would ye be the type who gets off on recording it on yer phone? Would it make yer stomach churn when ye see extreme violence? When ye see someone lying face down and being shot in both legs, what emotions do ye experience? How would ye feel if ye got a phonecall telling ye to be at a certain place at a certain time to recieve a punishment beating? Would ye try and run away?
That would be a very bad idea where I come from. If yer told to turn up...ye turn up. Its not nice having to kick someones door in and drag them out by the hair in front of their poor mother...imagine putting their own mum through that by trying to hide...some people tsk.
Cool thing Im a carebear in the game...right?
Im not a violent man...I used to be a long time ago, but Ive paid my dues to "society" and have spent years trying hard not to see my own kid turn out like me. If she ends up like me, I will have failed as a father like my father failed with me. Dont dwell on violence and the motivations behind it because its like fight club rules...one does not talk about fight club ^
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I'm having a difficult time drawing the line between pain and fun when I play a game.
I enjoy solo games a lot, even though I spend a lot of time playing online ones. When it comes to single player game, story driven type mostly, I can't help but trying to complete it 100%...
I like to see my achievements list completed, I like to know that I've played the game interely and that it was worth my money.
Now... When it comes to certain games... it can be pretty tedious.
I'm currently working on MGSV, 64% done... it's not complicated, but it's long. I can't imagine what The Witcher 3 will be like, not even thinking about TES...
I do enjoy my time, and at the end of the day I'm happy with my completed games... so I guess it might be masochism yeah
I enjoy solo games a lot, even though I spend a lot of time playing online ones. When it comes to single player game, story driven type mostly, I can't help but trying to complete it 100%...
I like to see my achievements list completed, I like to know that I've played the game interely and that it was worth my money.
Now... When it comes to certain games... it can be pretty tedious.
I'm currently working on MGSV, 64% done... it's not complicated, but it's long. I can't imagine what The Witcher 3 will be like, not even thinking about TES...
I do enjoy my time, and at the end of the day I'm happy with my completed games... so I guess it might be masochism yeah
Personally, I find if a game is too frustrating, I don't enjoy it.
Same goes for if a game has no challenge in it. It's dull.
But there's quite a broad range in the middle that I do enjoy.
Some of the Sonic games come to mind. I love them, always have.
Some levels and bosses are a complete breeze, done first time, A rated the level or whatever, too many in a row and I get bored.
Others are so infuriating that I have to take a breather and play something else.
Others are just right, provide enough challenge that it's fun, even if I fail a couple of times, but not so much I have to keep doing the same but over and over again.
ED oddly falls across the entire spectrum. Combat, I find almost completely lacking in challenge, I have to force the difficulty to get any real sense of victory from a battle. But then finding information without outside tools is an exercise in frustration, and I simply can't be bothered.
But, it's still one of my favourite games ever. Lol
Joining in the OT discussion, I think that anyone who says video games make you violent is completely wrong. Being prone to violence is a mindset, that you're probably born with (I don't know). You'll be swayed by anything violent; TV, movies, friends, and games.
I'm not at all a violent person (pretty soft actually, I don't even like hurting insects, except spiders! Evil!), but I've played violent games for as long as they've been out.
Duke Nukem and GTA comes to mind, but many others, including Soldier of Fortune, or Die by the Sword, and really old games I don't even remember, and I'm harmless. Lol
Same goes for if a game has no challenge in it. It's dull.
But there's quite a broad range in the middle that I do enjoy.
Some of the Sonic games come to mind. I love them, always have.
Some levels and bosses are a complete breeze, done first time, A rated the level or whatever, too many in a row and I get bored.
Others are so infuriating that I have to take a breather and play something else.
Others are just right, provide enough challenge that it's fun, even if I fail a couple of times, but not so much I have to keep doing the same but over and over again.
ED oddly falls across the entire spectrum. Combat, I find almost completely lacking in challenge, I have to force the difficulty to get any real sense of victory from a battle. But then finding information without outside tools is an exercise in frustration, and I simply can't be bothered.
But, it's still one of my favourite games ever. Lol
Joining in the OT discussion, I think that anyone who says video games make you violent is completely wrong. Being prone to violence is a mindset, that you're probably born with (I don't know). You'll be swayed by anything violent; TV, movies, friends, and games.
I'm not at all a violent person (pretty soft actually, I don't even like hurting insects, except spiders! Evil!), but I've played violent games for as long as they've been out.
Duke Nukem and GTA comes to mind, but many others, including Soldier of Fortune, or Die by the Sword, and really old games I don't even remember, and I'm harmless. Lol
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That goes for literally everyone. We just have different thresholds for what we find frustrating or no challenge. Again, its as with spicy foods. People who dont eat spicy will ask "why do you hate to punish yourself so much", whereas someone who eats spicy wonders why someone would force themselves to eat such bland food. Its not that some people love frustration or zero challenge, we just have different threshold levels.
Its overwhelmingly nurture rather than nature. There is no 'unavoidable raging psychopath' gene. There are plenty of easy ways to create violent people.
It's a game. Chess is a game. Do you want an easy or difficult chess opponent?
If your opponent is too far below your skill level the chess game will be boring. If he's too far beyond then it will be frustrating.
I consider myself good at fps games so I generally start on hard.
Playing any game, chess, tennis, basketball, baseball, football, soccer etc. against a weak opponent is not fun. Just as someone who likes a brutally hard game can be called a masochist, someone who likes playing basketball against children and talking trash as they block shots is childish.
Games are about challenge. Entertainment is passive. Do you want a game or a movie?
If your opponent is too far below your skill level the chess game will be boring. If he's too far beyond then it will be frustrating.
I consider myself good at fps games so I generally start on hard.
Playing any game, chess, tennis, basketball, baseball, football, soccer etc. against a weak opponent is not fun. Just as someone who likes a brutally hard game can be called a masochist, someone who likes playing basketball against children and talking trash as they block shots is childish.
Games are about challenge. Entertainment is passive. Do you want a game or a movie?
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I was expecting pictures of all the machoinsisting people this thread. Now I am disappointed.