Crossover, the tech could be used on the next generation of DC.
Optical DC FTW!
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Has Fdev considered building an optical computer?
- Thread starter Noobilite
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Optical DC FTW!
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Docking Computer?
Yes, only available in Wyrd in open.Docking Computer?
The idea would be to either quickly pull out the needed logic on one end reutilizing the correct hardware in a specialized way and minimizing the data or something else. It would depend how many things you have to use as outputs. If you treat the data directly as something the GPU already deals with then it could simply spit some out to the monitor. The CPU could possibly use an encryption or other method to very quickly deal with some of the data to get it to it's next location if possible. I was thinking the end would be very fast passthroughs minimized to still get effective speeds. And maybe some specialized software tricks to reduce the data handled so you still get the effective bandwidth. Some of this could be done on the optical side to get it directly to the component as needed or sent through the bus and software could use some logic to get the correct data basically on the software writers side. If you use just varied forms of data like using the color codes of the data can you quickly convert to usable form directly in a simplified manner. And us similar logic to get use out of all the data to increase overall effective bandwidth. Something I'm assuming everyone now is too lazy to bother with or doesn't care about for various reasons. Then the optical is part of a converter system for highly specialized software. Depending on how much you can minimize the size and time needed for the data on the traditional end of it. If it's only 1,000 times the speed of a current machine it's not that bad. Especially if you can use the optical to convert data fast and efficient. I would think the problem is getting it not the thrash the traditional equipment. Might not be maximum throughput but it could be a hell of an upgrade. And if could condense the data down with more optical bridges and combine and still use the effective data maybe you could keep increasing it's effective performance to some degree. Especially with the right software/hardware combos. I'm assuming it would turn out a bit like multiple GPU setups that way. Which I wonder if this could fully utilize while acting similarly in their own functioning.
If you need to you can always put a loop or other manipulations into the optical side and just use the hardware as a distributor and do it very efficiently. I'm assuming it depends on the hardware it's working with. I'm also assuming there are some ways to reduce the data when and if needed and use the traditional software sparingly. But also hoping there is a way to simplifiy the optical side. Could be some intersting ways to use the read side to do manipulations or something. Can you use heat or other aspects to make the hardware pass on the data in an efficient form and basically reuse things as much as possible. Obviously, the practical end is to get as much out of it. How far can the software side go? That is technically the more versatile side depending on if you can get the form of data efficient enough. Depends on now how much hardware needs to be built. I think I was thinking some stuff could be pre translated in some ways and use a very predictive form of software. Maybe with pre known efficiencies on the fly somehow.
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Pure optical computers wouldn't need logical gates in the traditional form. You can send it to specialized equipment to parse the data out as is needed. At least potentially. You could deal with it in a lot more ways than normal modern logical gates as you could deal with much more data at once(And need different manipulations). Not to mention you could hypothetical change the hardware out more easily depending on how it's constructed and either change or add on for new outputs. It would open up a bunch of new methods for computer design. Treating it purely as traditional hardware would be a bit restrictive unless you can use/keep the part forever. And hope it's not overly expensive and becomes obsolete with and upgrade and is reusable for other applications. A proper optical computer should be basically completely open ended adjustable and upgradable.
I'm basically refering to using pure modern logic gates and low bandwidth light to literally make a computer to make up for the data difference. There are other ways to do it, unless of course you are intending to stick to the same formats for other hardware in the long run. Or are just working for the relative short term.
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So this is how it goes.
Innocent nonsense forum post -> technological breakthrough -> optical rogue AI -> Butlerian Jihad -> docking computer flying me to a wall 3306.
Innocent nonsense forum post -> technological breakthrough -> optical rogue AI -> Butlerian Jihad -> docking computer flying me to a wall 3306.
And you're so capable, diligent and professional you deem non optical computer research as laziness? Or are the rest of us just too stupid or lazy to understand your wonderful ideas which:
Thus introducing more lag by having to translate from light to data and back again...
Don't know - I'm completely mistifyed by it.
Docking computer? Pffft that is so 65th century! We all have our Mentat doing barrell rolls for us here!
1. No i'm refering to the fact that stuff like this is not done to peak performance for all application for practical reasons potentially. There is always more room. And lots of it. Not to mention convenience for the people doing the work. And potentially dealing with pay vs education levels.(So, basically yes.)
2. Not if it's all light based like a monitor knowing how to send the data to get the correct end result on the monitor purely from light. with the same light sent directly manipulated. You can duplicate and send the full data stream and have the hardware physically remove/manipulate and send the correct light directly to the monitor basically.
I wonder if FDev has ever considered building a difference engine?
@Noobilite All you have described is an optical to digital modem, you've not given any details on how you intend to PROCESS any information you encode into your optical computer. Also, how do you STORE data as light? Hell, how do you even generate light as an input or output - you said micro leds, whats driving them? Remember that LEDs are Light Emmitting Diodes - ELECTRONIC devices, so your proposed optical computer needs electronics to control its first part of the process, and electonics to decode the output colour/wavelength/frequency* of light arising from the output. You say minituarisation isn't needed, are you sure you want to go back to computers the size of houses?
In summary, of everything you have said thus far about your proposed optical computing model that you propose frontier develop in their basement for this game because duh, its so easy and computer sceintests are lazily misappropriating research funds, is that:
It cannot store data
It cannot process data
It uses different coloured light going through the optical pathways
It uses (micro)LED's as its light source - thus requiring more electronics
It passes "data", the light generated from thsoe micro leds, to electronic detectors and onto other "specialised equipment" in an open loop
Thus:
It has two transducements input and output, each adding more lag to the "throughput" of data
It is essentially a communications protocol not an actual computing platform
ERGO it mus slow down computing rather than enhance it.
The more you type, the sillier you are making yourself look.
In summary, of everything you have said thus far about your proposed optical computing model that you propose frontier develop in their basement for this game because duh, its so easy and computer sceintests are lazily misappropriating research funds, is that:
It cannot store data
It cannot process data
It uses different coloured light going through the optical pathways
It uses (micro)LED's as its light source - thus requiring more electronics
It passes "data", the light generated from thsoe micro leds, to electronic detectors and onto other "specialised equipment" in an open loop
Thus:
It has two transducements input and output, each adding more lag to the "throughput" of data
It is essentially a communications protocol not an actual computing platform
ERGO it mus slow down computing rather than enhance it.
The more you type, the sillier you are making yourself look.
Yes, I have said a bunch of that. It would be driven by a video card. Micro LED is because it has nanosecond response times. Although probably not single nano second response times.
You store data on a harddrive.
I wasn't thinking this but you can potentially keep data in the light stream and pull data as a form of calcualtion. If it's big enough you can keep all the data going as a single loght color reference. Even use the speed of the light's repsonse to changes to make the light be the correct color to make it fight the needed thing for the output instead of making the output calculate it. Then the input just needs to know what to send predictively. You can do that with any software. And you can hypothetically use much more simplified data than if the game calculated everything the traditional way as you can stick with simplified data potentially. There are a lot of ways to do this on the software side potentially if are only sending the data first to the optical and then making it send the correct data to the output. At least as one example. Maybe combine the two.
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1. = You saying no no its not that but yes it is you saying computer science as it is just now is a grand larsonous misappropriation of funds
2. = You saying your optical computer is going to work like a computer monitor by manipulating light, newsflash sonny, monitors work off electricity until their final output of light, there is no manipulation of light in a monitor.
OR are you saing you will manipulate the light on its route to the monitor, tell me how you are going to do this? Tell me how you are going to store light to be able to use its data later? Tell me how you are going to use light to drive the monitor - translating it to electrical signals for the journey from your optical computer to the monitor is not an option as it would as I've already stated induce lag and erode performance.
I'm saying monitors could have it built into them as specilized hardware and sent simple raw signals. It depends on the hardware design. Optical leaves a wider range of options at it's base as you can maintain speed and infinitely split the stream potentially.1. = You saying no no its not that but yes it is you saying computer science as it is just now is a grand larsonous misappropriation of funds
2. = You saying your optical computer is going to work like a computer monitor by manipulating light, newsflash sonny, monitors work off electricity until their final output of light, there is no manipulation of light in a monitor.
OR are you saing you will manipulate the light on its route to the monitor, tell me how you are going to do this? Tell me how you are going to store light to be able to use its data later? Tell me how you are going to use light to drive the monitor - translating it to electrical signals for the journey from your optical computer to the monitor is not an option as it would as I've already stated induce lag and erode performance.
And, yes, hardware development is steadily turning into mass fraud. It will keep getting worse of the next several decades or more and into the future. Everything goes through this process and we are seeing increases in it.
I have never read so much utterly ridiculous technodrivel in my entire life. It seems the OP can dream pretty good but has no fixed idea on exactly what he's talking about. Or how to explain it.
What am I saying. How do you explain nonsense?
What am I saying. How do you explain nonsense?
People are working on this.1. = You saying no no its not that but yes it is you saying computer science as it is just now is a grand larsonous misappropriation of funds
2. = You saying your optical computer is going to work like a computer monitor by manipulating light, newsflash sonny, monitors work off electricity until their final output of light, there is no manipulation of light in a monitor.
OR are you saing you will manipulate the light on its route to the monitor, tell me how you are going to do this? Tell me how you are going to store light to be able to use its data later? Tell me how you are going to use light to drive the monitor - translating it to electrical signals for the journey from your optical computer to the monitor is not an option as it would as I've already stated induce lag and erode performance.
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Here’s something on the subject passed through half a dozen translations looping back to English.
It kind of feels in tune with the OP.
It kind of feels in tune with the OP.