Have FD lost their way?

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When the rise of computer games started, I was lucky enough to have a mentor who it all came naturally to, He was and still is a computer game designer, and has even been known once or twice to advise DBOBE.
He is a computer game player, He plays computer games and not exclusively one game.
My game playing career is the opposite, If a game comes up that seriously interests me, I will play that game and not play another, It may keep me hooked for a while but they ultimately have an endgame and I then may drop computer games entirely until I hear of something else that might tempt me back.
I have played chess since i was young, Back then we would have to write the move down on a postcard (remember them?) and post it. I would then sometime in the future receive a move back and so it went. Inevitably with the rise of the internet, that whole process became easier and now is instantaneous, enabling an “over the board” game from country to country.

When I heard about ED I had only played 1 computer game in 10 years, (Cold winter) It was 26 days before launch and another cold winter looming, I thought it sounded interesting and I would give it a go. It was a steep learning curve!.
I am not privy to what went before then, But I have picked up a lot of the back story from others both verbally and from the forums and most importantly from my old mentor who, As I found out had ED on his list of games that he had started playing. And he was an 84er.
He joined me three months in and It was a pleasure to repay the favour by teaching him a few things. We became wingmates and caught up on 10 years and inevitably continually argued about the vision of the game ED was trying to achieve, He would too easily shout bug and I would say, Look at it like this etc and point out a very clever way that the game makers had put something in to test you etc, We never knew if it was ever by design or bug because when it changed, I would argue player pressure and he would argue bug fixed.

So the question, Has FD deviated from its original path?, Has it been nudged by the vocal few so many times that it has lost its way? I would tell my old wingmate that he was right all along but he finally left the game after the last almighty error of judgement by FD

Has it become, not a 10 year plan but a 6 month plan repeated 20 times



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I am not new to planet earth!, I am not new to the concept of games, I am not new to computer games.
I am new to this style of instant peer to peer gaming, I have a buddy (wingman) that is not new to this style of gaming. I had hoped by now they would not be trolling out the same old game in a new skin, And I believe they did not intend to, but shareholder pressure and instant gratification demands by trophy hunters, May have altered the path, and IMHO is heading down the same old way to ultimate short term thinking. The naively expected longevity of this game is fading.
 
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Well, their plan has certainly changed a bit from the outset, but I don't know about them "losing their way".
Though the happenings of the past couple months has had me wondering for the first time since release about it's future.
But like you, if ED "fails", I'll just move onto another game. Not the end of the world.

BTW, I don't have any issues with seeing the text. The default background is white for me once I login to the forums.
 
Forum nubbage doesn't make me want to listen to you. If you can't even work out how to use VBulletin...

Hey, don't be too hard. The forum sw goes crazy when you cut&paste and ignores the color setting, you need to know that and reapply the formatting to the whole thing after. It's easy to forget it sometimes.
 
Hey, don't be too hard. The forum sw goes crazy when you cut&paste and ignores the color setting, you need to know that and reapply the formatting to the whole thing after. It's easy to forget it sometimes.
It's ok! he knows I am not a novice, and does not take well either to having long held beliefs shattered.

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Frontier's original path was "make money from developing video games".
According to their financial statements, they seem to be still on that path and succeeding.

And please use the default text colour, OP.
Apart from THAT obvious path. Sorry I continue to overestimate joe public
 
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Hard to say without seeing their internal plan...how much have we seen so far was part of the original concept? How much has changed? How much was completely removed or completely new?

Was PP always in the cards? I think so, yes. Same with CQC. I don't know about Engineers but my guess is that that was part of the original plan too.

But, all my guessing is just that. In my conclusion, we can't say if they lost their way if we don't know what the way was in the first place.
 
I don't think they strayed. Things are going very slow though, due to the endless "buff - nerf - buff -nerf" cycles and some unfortunate needless detours like CQC and such.
 
Well, of course the intended path is to make money, duh. The point is if you know which direction you need to go. There are good examples of companies headed at full speed towards a granite wall - BlackBerry, I'm looking at you!
 
So the question, Has FD deviated from its original path?, Has it been nudged by the vocal few so many times that it has lost its way? I would tell my old wingmate that he was right all along but he finally left the game after the last almighty error of judgement by FD

Has it become, not a 10 year plan but a 6 month plan repeated 20 times

A ganker as I have leant is someone who has chosen their game play style to be, to take time invested in the game away from you, There goes 18 months I will never get back.

Hmm.. Theres likely a plethora of considerations. I've no doubt Frontier do have a long term plan but like with any project things change and as always the game needs to be financially succesful to fund its continuing development. Re the ten year plan I doubt it would be a good idea to share publicly because should expectations not be met, or features delieverd or delayed, folks would get even more salty. Also its perhaps not the best idea to share you plans publically thus giving your competitors an edge.

Its also worth pointing out that FD need to be flexible. 2.1 For example delievered features that weren't likely in the original spec, such as character avatars and the awesome radio comms around stations. I wonder sometimes if we are all a bit too demanding with each of us wanting particular things for the game. Don't tell them I said so but FD aren't such a bad lot compared to elsewhere ;)
 
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Its also worth pointing out that FD need to be flexible. 2.1 For example delievered features that weren't likely in the original spec, such as character avatars and the awesome radio comms around stations. I wonder sometimes if we are all a bit too demanding with each of us wanting particular things for the game. Don't tell them I said so but FD aren't such a bad lot compared to elsewhere ;)
I think that's part of their problem. The put some truly amazing things in the game, along side some "what were they thinking" head-scratchers.
The 'demanding' in many of us probably stems from what we imagine things could be.
 
The stuff they changed based on player feedback (nerf this - buff that) is very minor in my opinion, so no, they didn't lost their way in regards to the great picture.
 
Started out as an interesting if lengthy read. And then this...

A ganker as I have leant is someone who has chosen their game play style to be, to take time invested in the game away from you, There goes 18 months I will never get back.

Why? Just...what did that add to the post? It's almost like the people of the ED forums actively want their thread to be closed by the inevitable game mode squabble as someone like poor Geomon redirects a once coherent thread to hotel california ;)
 
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he knows I am not a novice
Yet you clearly state previously that this is the first computer game you have played in ten years. That makes you a novice, and arguably utterly unqualified (like the rest of us mere users of the game) to comment on game development.
and does not take well either to having long held beliefs shattered.
If you knew what I believed, I might be more inclined to listen to you. Sadly, you don't, so I'm not.

All I see here is yet another thread about how the sky is falling from someone who has issues with how a game is designed and implemented. A thread from someone who, by their own account, should know better.

There is no acceptable answer to the question in the OP either way.
 
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Have Frontier lost there way... They certainly have added parts to the game that came as a surprise to the players.
Another question that should be asked at the same time is...
Have the players lost there way... To which I would say, yes, a percentage of them have judging by some of the new features that get asked for (Ranted in many cases).

I like to take Frontier at their word, they say there's a 10 year plan to develop the game, great, we are only at the early stages of that plan so I don't expect to be walking around worlds shooting dinosaurs that are the same as the ones from Earth millions of years ago nor do I think walking from my ship to the bar will be interesting more than once and I certainly won't be sitting in the bar sipping a drink just chillin... I can drink whiskey just fine in super cruise! I do not want a developer to waste time on adding fluff content to the game such as a media player to allow me to play my music in game... I have all the third party software I need to do this with.

Sorry, started ranting then and the Dr. warned me not to do that anymore! :D

Play the game, have fun, try the new stuff and if you don't like it, don't do it!
 
Another question that should be asked at the same time is...
Have the players lost there way... To which I would say, yes, a percentage of them have judging by some of the new features that get asked for (Ranted in many cases).

For a whisky-toting amnesia-riddled cuddly space bear, you raise an excellent point as always. I have mentioned before the number of players that seem to think ED was supposed to be "Elite remastered" is worryingly staggering.

If you're looking a game that has all the features of Elite, all the activities of Elite, the difficulty and the storyline of Elite...uh...go play Elite? It's still out there :D Otherwise, accept that a game released 30 odd years on, which has been developed intentionally with a totally different storyline/history, and a ten year plan to boot...is going to not be the game you first played all that time ago. FD need to make releases that will make the game sell and ultimately remain interesting for the 10 year development period and beyond.

And I dare say that between us and the FD team, it's FD who have the development credentials...so odd poor decision aside, I'll leave this one for them to plan out and just enjoy the game ;)
 
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