Help me to make the best woodlands/temperate Animal Pack

Angeł

Angeł
My personal full lineup would go like this:

1. Elk - A beautiful and majestic deer with a wide range and a haunting call that would put to use the new ‘chorus’ mechanics added to the game.
2. Red Fox - A highly requested canid that is very widely distributed and would up the ‘cute-factor’ of this pack.
3. Reeve’s Pheasant - A spectacular bird that wouldn’t need any new flying mechanics, but would boost the game’s severely lacking avian roster.
4. Striped Skunk - An adorable little creature that would appeal to all kinds of players, and is extremely versatile in where it can be places in a zoo.
5. European Wild Boar - A formidable addition to Europe’s ‘gappy’ in-game roster that provides us with another pig, but a unique one at that.
6. Tasmanian Devil - A wonderful little marsupial that currently tops the meta-wishlist. This would further boost the Oceanian roster, which much like Europe, is lacking.
7. Wisent - An re-skin, but certainly not a wasted spot. The wisent not only would boost European representation, but has currently made headlines after being reintroduced to the UK (where Frontier’s team is based). Fits in with the themes of conservation, as well as the pack’s woodland theme.
8. European Stag Beetle - An imposing little critter that would round out a pack like this very nicely!
 

NachoB

NachoB
I my opinion a woodlands pack shouldn't just focus on temperate forests. I personally would include boreal, mountain and rainforests because they will allow for a more interesting animal line up than just your usual common and not endangered (and even invasive) animals: red deer-red fox-raccoon-wild boar-american black bear.

So i think something more interesting would be something that is bit more worldwide focus encompasing different types of "woodland" regions- So my picks for something like that would be:

1. Red deer (yes i do agree with this one but any deer would do, this one is just the most popular in the community. If it is up to me i would choose a chital or a roosevelt elk over the red deer, or even a pudu or huemul that are endangered and from SA, a region that i think needs more representation than Europe or NA)
2. Wolverine (if you do a woodlands pack this has to be included in it... i guess an alternative could be the racoon but i'm not interested in it)
3. Golden pheasant (or any pheasant but i guess this one is the most iconic, and one of my favorites, but someone proposed the reeve's pheasant and i would love that as well)
4. Spectacled bear (a lot more interesting and unique compared to the american black bear, plus adds representation to a region of SA that has been basically ignored in the game so far)
5. Red river hog (for rainforests rep and also a much interesting and visually distinct choice over the wild boar... but if we want to keep the pack non-tropical i guess the wild boar is an option)
6. Tasmanian devil (possible the mascot of the pack considering how highly requested seems to be right now, and helps flesh out a bit more the Oceania animal roster)
7. Black howler monkey (if temperate then i guess the golden snub nosed monkey is a good replacement)
8. Exhibit: tokay gecko or panther chameleon
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
I think there's a lot of good suggestions here, but I think I mostly would agree with the original list. Of the six habitat animals I'd keep

  • Red Fox (NA, Eurasia, North Africa, completing the 3 "main" Fox species, over 180 EAZA holdings)
  • Wild Boar (Eurasia, North Africa, largest and very visually distinct suid, over 410 EAZA holdings)
  • Red Deer (Eurasia, North Africa, large "normal" Deer with high status and importance in european culture, over 490 EAZA holdings)
  • Racoon (North America, Arboreal Charismatic Smaller Animal, 543 EAZA holdings)
  • Tasmanian Devil (Oceania, largest carnivorus marsupial aka small carnivore, 9 EAZA holdings)
I would take out the wallaby and put in the common wombat .
The seventh animal I would choose would be the wolverine. Yep I'm one of those who would see it as a "key" part of this pack.

If the wolverine is not considered acceptable for this pack due mostly being classified as a taiga animal, then I would probably go with the American Black Bear. While I'd prefer another bear to be the Spectacled, that wouldn't match up with this theme, and the ABB is definitely a higher profile North American animal not in the game as yet. Another option for me would be the Wild Turkey.

I really think having the Red Deer, Wild Boar and of course "Mr. Worldwide" would fill in some gaps in European fauna as well, so I especially like those choices.
 

nutrit

nutrit
1. Tasmanian devil - most popular animal, marsupial, representing Oceania
2. Wolverine - omitted so many times that it’s a crime (Arctic, NA & Europe pack), just give him to us already!
3. Père David’s deer - some of you already know that I am crazy about those amazing half aquatic deer with unbelievable conservation history and extinct in the wild status
4. Golden takin - takins are crazy cool species especially those golden ones, also want to see the babies
5. Reeve’s Pheasant - one bird per pack shoul be obligatory, this is one of the largest pheasants and sooooo beautiful
6. NA porcupine - representing America, very cool arboreal rodent
7. Markhor - goat with the curly horns? Yes, please. We also lack central Asian animals and Markhor is staple zoo species.

Ex: Giant salamander

Honorable mentions: Red fox and Racoon



Woodlands animal pack including tropical animals should contain:

  1. Tasmanian devil
  2. Red River hog
  3. Wolverine
  4. Sloth
  5. Tree kangaroo
  6. Fossa
  7. Coati
  8. Ex: Chameleon
 
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KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
NachoB said:
I my opinion a woodlands pack shouldn't just focus on temperate forests. I personally would include boreal, mountain and rainforests because they will allow for a more interesting animal line up than just your usual common and not endangered (and even invasive) animals: red deer-red fox-raccoon-wild boar-american black bear.

So i think something more interesting would be something that is bit more worldwide focus encompasing different types of "woodland" regions- So my picks for something like that would be:

1. Red deer (yes i do agree with this one but any deer would do, this one is just the most popular in the community. If it is up to me i would choose a chital or a roosevelt elk over the red deer, or even a pudu or huemul that are endangered and from SA, a region that i think needs more representation than Europe or NA)
2. Wolverine (if you do a woodlands pack this has to be included in it... i guess an alternative could be the racoon but i'm not interested in it)
3. Golden pheasant (or any pheasant but i guess this one is the most iconic, and one of my favorites, but someone proposed the reeve's pheasant and i would love that as well)
4. Spectacled bear (a lot more interesting and unique compared to the american black bear, plus adds representation to a region of SA that has been basically ignored in the game so far)
5. Red river hog (for rainforests rep and also a much interesting and visually distinct choice over the wild boar... but if we want to keep the pack non-tropical i guess the wild boar is an option)
6. Tasmanian devil (possible the mascot of the pack considering how highly requested seems to be right now, and helps flesh out a bit more the Oceania animal roster)
7. Black howler monkey (if temperate then i guess the golden snub nosed monkey is a good replacement)
8. Exhibit: tokay gecko or panther chameleon
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I understand that line of thought, but my personal priority would be the temperate over the woodlands, as the main thing i want such a pack to achieve would be to fill in some of the last missing super common species (red deer, wild boar, Benetts wallaby and the racoon who all have over 400 EAZA holdings), while also tackle europe and australia directly with key animals from these regions.
Asia and northafrica also benefit from the european choices, but they really arnt the priority, as they do not need them. Id argue the only missing temperate key species from asia would be a pheasent, which i also mentioned as a good 7. Pick.
Besides the racoon, which is simply here cause its in the top 20 most common EAZA animals + aboreal, NA also got nothing exclusive when the amur leopard was still part of the pack, because besides the racoon its not really missing something that isnt allready present in this pack or the game.

Your pack is also really, really good, but in different ways.
Its really cool that every continent gets something with pretty much only much needed species. Which is great, but i feel like most of them could easily come with different packs, for example just a rainforest pack.
If we dont get something like the rather unlikly urban pack, very common zoo animals like the red fox, racoon and wildboar have little hope for inclusion when the temperate/woodland train has left without them, which is why i hope that if they keep on going with biome packs, that they split atleast hot and climate forests in seperate packs or the longterm temperate representation will propaply suffer.
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
nutrit said:
Woodlands animal pack including tropical animals should contain:

  1. Tasmanian devil
  2. Red River hog
  3. Wolverine
  4. Sloth
  5. Tree kangaroo
  6. Fossa
  7. Coati
  8. Ex: Chameleon
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Thankfully nutrit allready did the work for me to show why it would suck.
6 Tropical + 1 Temperate + 1 Arctic?
Why not just have a more cohesive pack thats full tropical?
If they got combined, both sides would loose,but the temperate animals would loose much more.
 

Doran

Doran
1. Tasmanian Devil
2. Southern Pudu
3. Yellow-throated Marten
4. Northern Racoon
5. Persian Leopard
6. Wisent
7. Central European Wild Boar
8. Tuatara

Every region is getting something.
2 for Europe, 2 for Asia, 2 for Americas, 2 for Oceania
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
Doran said:
1. Tasmanian Devil
2. Southern Pudu
3. Yellow-throated Marten
4. Northern Racoon
5. Persian Leopard
6. Wisent
7. Central European Wild Boar
8. Tuatara

Every region is getting something.
2 for Europe, 2 for Asia, 2 for Americas, 2 for Oceania
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But not everybody should get 2.
Especally when species like the red fox, red deer and wildboar alone add 3 for 3 continents + 1 for north america.
If you add the racoon and white stork, you got 4 europe, 4 asia, 4 africa and 2 north america. Adding 2 from oceania and every continent besides south america would have 2 or more, which would be a lot better if its just about everybody getting something. If wed swap the racoon for a wolverine even, we had 5 for each of europe and asia.
The fact that you can make a pack without any asia exclusive or even animal where the first thought would group it to asia but still have 5 out of 7 animals is absurd.
Asia to op, Sakurai pls nerf
 
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JDgaming209

J
Here's how I'd do an animal pack like this, if indeed we go in the Temperate direction:

1. A bear species. Personally I think the American Black Bear is the best choice by far, since it's the only bear species we still need in order to have all three North American bear species (the Polar Bear and Grizzly Bear are already in the game) and it feels wrong to leave it out. It also climbs trees, which would fit perfectly with the woodland theme.
2. A small carnivore. The Tasmanian Devil is by far the best choice, since it seems to be a community favorite.
3. A large deer species. I think the two best options here are the Elk and the Red Deer, which both look relatively similar. I'd personally prefer the Red Deer since it would give us another European species, and we already have scenery pieces for it in the game. However, I'd be very happy with the Elk as well.
4. A small arboreal animal. Personally I think the Raccoon is the best choice because it's instantly recognizable, although I wouldn't mind the North American Porcupine as an alternative.
5. Some sort of bird. While I'm quite partial to the Capercaillie, I think any type of pheasant would be fine as well. If they go the pheasant route, I think that the Japanese Green Pheasant would be an interesting choice, although the Golden and Common Pheasants are also good contenders for the bird spot.
6. Another small-medium sized predator. I think the Red Fox would be the best choice here, because it is widespread and it would give us another species for both Europe and North America. The American Gray Fox could be a possible alternative, and would be interesting because it can climb trees, although it's not as well-known and recognizable. While I'd love to see the Wolverine added to the game, it doesn't fit the temperate theme idea very well. So, the Red Fox is the best choice here IMO.
7. Finally, the Wild Boar would be a good choice in order to give us one more animal from Europe. The Wisent/European Bison would be a good alternative, but it would also basically be a reskin of the American Bison.
8. There's a variety of different exhibit animals that could work within the context of this pack, too many to count really. I think a new type of Salamander would be nice to see, especially since I'm not a big fan of snakes.

I've purposefully kept this list a bit vague since I don't know exactly what animals from the Temperate biome the community wants the most.
 
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Doran

Doran
KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
But not everybody should get 2.
Especally when species like the red fox, red deer and wildboar alone add 3 for 3 continents + 1 for north america.
If you add the racoon and white stork, you got 4 europe, 4 asia, 4 africa and 2 north america. Adding 2 from oceania and every continent besides south america would have 2 or more, which would be a lot better if its just about everybody getting something. If wed swap the racoon for a wolverine even, we had 5 for each of europe and asia.
The fact that you can make a pack without any asia exclusive or even animal where the first thought would group it to asia but still have 5 out of 7 animals is absurd.
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TBH I tried to make temperate animal pack something more than trip to Europe and Tasmania.
 

NachoB

NachoB
JDgaming209 said:
Here's how I'd do an animal pack like this, if indeed we go in the Temperate direction:

1. A bear species. Personally I think the American Black Bear is the best choice by far, since it's the only bear species we still need in order to have all three North American bear species (the Polar Bear and Grizzly Bear are already in the game) and it feels wrong to leave it out. It also climbs trees, which would fit perfectly with the woodland theme.
2. A small carnivore. The Tasmanian Devil is by far the best choice, since it seems to be a community favorite.
3. A large deer species. I think the two best options here are the Elk and the Red Deer, which both look relatively similar. I'd personally prefer the Red Deer since it would give us another European species, and we already have scenery pieces for it in the game. However, I'd be very happy with the Elk as well.
4. A small arboreal animal. Personally I think the Raccoon is the best choice because it's instantly recognizable, although I wouldn't mind the North American Porcupine as an alternative.
5. Some sort of bird. While I'm quite partial to the Capercaillie, I think any type of pheasant would be fine as well. If they go the pheasant route, I think that the Japanese Green Pheasant would be an interesting choice, although the Golden and Common Pheasants are also good contenders for the bird spot.
6. Another small-medium sized predator. I think the Red Fox would be the best choice here, because it is widespread and it would give us another species for both Europe and North America. The American Gray Fox could be a possible alternative, and would be interesting because it can climb trees, although it's not as well-known and recognizable. While I'd love to see the Wolverine added to the game, it doesn't fit the temperate theme idea very well. So, the Red Fox is the best choice here IMO.
7. Finally, the Wild Boar would be a good choice in order to give us one more animal from Europe. The Wisent/European Bison would be a good alternative, but it would also basically be a reskin of the American Bison.
8. There's a variety of different exhibit animals that could work within the context of this pack, too many to count really. I think a new type of Salamander would be nice to see, especially since I'm not a big fan of snakes.

I've purposefully kept this list a bit vague since I don't know exactly what animals from the Temperate biome the community wants the most.
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So everyone just pretty much wants NA animal pack 2.0. Or just Europe Animal Pack, except for the Tasmanian devil.

Yeah, just like Doran, i prefer something that is more worldwide than just a re do of regions that were recently done in DLCs
 

JDgaming209

J
NachoB said:
So everyone just pretty much wants NA animal pack 2.0. Or just Europe Animal Pack, except for the Tasmanian devil.

Yeah, just like Doran, i prefer something that is more worldwide than just a re do of regions that were recently done in DLCs
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I specifically said IF we go in the temperate direction, which would make it hard to make it more worldwide while still adding a lot of unique species. That's an important caveat.

If we were just talking about a general forest/woodland pack, I'd go with the Black Howler Monkey instead of the Raccoon, the Wolverine instead of the Red Fox, and the Red River Hog instead of the Wild Boar. I also wouldn't mind getting a Kiwi to fill the bird slot in such a pack, for some more Oceania representation. I think all of those species would make the pack more interesting overall. OP wanted to push this pack idea toward a more temperate theme, so I based my previous post around that.
 

NachoB

NachoB
JDgaming209 said:
I specifically said IF we go in the temperate direction, which would make it hard to make it more worldwide while still adding a lot of unique species. That's an important caveat.

If we were just talking about a general forest/woodland pack, I'd go with the Black Howler Monkey instead of the Raccoon, the Wolverine instead of the Red Fox, and the Red River Hog instead of the Wild Boar. I also wouldn't mind getting a Kiwi to fill the bird slot in such a pack, for some more Oceania representation. I think all of those species would make the pack more interesting overall. OP wanted to push this pack idea toward a more temperate theme, so I based my previous post around that.
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Yeah i understand. I like your alteranitve animals better lol But if the OP wants a temperate focus pack i guess those are among the best choices. A kiwi will be nice but i rather prefer a pheasant or capercaillie. I would probably add something from South America like a pudu or huemul... but they are deer and the red deer is the more likely and popular choice for a temperate forest pack.
 

SuzieSky

SuzieSky
I like the temperate deciduous forest pack idea. I do think it would help fill out Europe and give a few to North America, both of which were skipped in the wetlands and conservation packs. I don't think it would be bad for Eastern NA forests to be represented (we only have the beaver, which is more wetland anyway) and Europe to get a few more species. However, I do agree that this isn't as high priority for me as deserts, Oceania, and especially South America. There are also many exciting tropical and grassland animals that I would like to see. Autumn next year might be the perfect time for a pack like this. I doubt anybody would have an issue with more European and North American animals then.

Also, one thing is bothering me about this thread:
While some red foxes were present in the taiga, the red fox is not a North American temperate species. They are an invasive that started moving into our forests in the 1800s. European foxes were released on the east coast. They also coexist with people better, so our fox has trouble keeping up. Our primary temperate fox is this cutie:
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This is the grey fox, which can jump up branches to climb trees. This can help it escape from larger predators (coyotes, red foxes, etc.). It can also thrive in the central grasslands and southern deserts. Its range even extends a bit into South America. I hope we get enough animals to justify adding him at some point. For now, I do agree that the red fox is more essential, but I don't see it as a choice that represents our eastern forests. Instead, pick from: black bear, eastern wild turkey, striped skunk, porcupine, bobcat, opossum, racoon, river otter, white tailed deer, and the great blue heron.

Thanks for listening to my talk.
 

Antimony96

Antimony96
1. American black bear -- very common in North American zoos (especially in the east), hopefully would look better than the grizzly and the Formosan black bear in the base game
2. North American river otter -- might be controversial but this is an extremely common animal in North American zoos, possibly the most common non-domestic mammal, and even has a bit of EU presence.
3. Sichuan takin - A unique goat species with a growing captive presence, native to the same parts of China as the giant panda.
4. Red deer - The deer that most people expected for the Europe pack, and would solve the issue of its existing PZ presence.
5. Tasmanian devil -- Massively popular wishlist animal and a strong headliner. Not much else to add.
6. Bennett's wallaby -- Common zoo species that, along with the devil, would further bolster Oceania representation.
7. Golden pheasant -- a beautiful and very common captive bird.
8. Japanese rhinoceros beetle - Yeah.
 

ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
Going to leave Tasmanian devil and kiwi for an “islands” or “nocturnal” pack, so….

Red necked wallaby
(Bennett’s is a subspecies of this and I prefer the wider range and requirements of species rather than subspecies where there is little physical difference)

Lyre bird
An important ecosystem engineer - adds to the Oceanian roster and adds a bird. What’s not to love?

Tasmanian short beaked echidna
It’s a subspecies but is visually distinct from Mainland populations in that it has fewer spines and more fur…. I doubt a temperate forest pack will have so many Oceanian species (since Frontier’s map doesn’t even acknowledge that temperate forests exist in Oceania) but I’m adding it anyway.

Tuatara (ex)
Gotta finally give New Zealand some love!

Eurasia
European pine marten
A great small animal choice that, despite its name, adds to both Europe and Asian (Middle Eastern) rosters and inhabits deciduous forests as well as coniferous ones.

Wild boar
A really good representative of temperate forests that adds to European and Asian rosters.

North America
Raccoon
Super cute and smart - a cool addition IMO. I wouldn’t say no to the black bear but we’ve already got a lot of bears so I’d prefer this.

South America
Pudu is the obvious choice if we want a wide spread of continents covered
 

NZFanatic

NZFanatic
Hmm...
1. North Island brown kiwi. No matter what Frontier says there are no tropical forests in New Zealand.
2. Raccoon dog. Rather this than the raccoon.
3. Bennett's wallaby. Fairly plain-looking but pretty common in zoos.
4. Tasmanian devil. Another popular choice that I definitely want, too.
5. Spectacled bear. I'd rather this than the American black bear.
6. Southern pudu. An excellent choice, common in zoos, rarely mentioned here, and a less conventional deer.
7. Striped skunk. Of all the North American animals this one interests me the most.
8. Scheltopusik or tuatara for the exhibit.
 
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