General / Off-Topic Hilarious counter to youth bemoaning the elder generations re climate change

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What a load of rubbish! Every generation has had more than the previous, so what.

I was raised by Boomers. Raised to spend and to consume. Raised to aspire to own (heat, furnish, etc. ) a large family home, to have multiple televisions, large fridge and deep freeze, multiple cars, the latest gadgets, the latest fashions, take multiple vacations per year - all of that was taught to me by one of the generations with less than I had access to. Following on from how my generation was raised, far too many have unquestioningly passed those precious Western cultural traditions onto the next generation, and exported them around the world.

It's not up to the millenials, it's up to everyone. I can't tell if you're actually serious about no campaigns for a more eco/sustainable life - if you are, you're not looking. As for your points...

1) Most millenials I know are no more reliant on electronic devices than anyone else. In fact, many I know have a phone and a laptop/tablet, and not much else (fridge, etc. excepted) because that's all you really need nowadays. Do you really think that modern phones use more electricity than my old non-rechargable battery chugging Walkman? Or their laptop more than my first TV, computer, etc.
2) Who buys plastic toys anymore?
3) many of the ones I know do - none of them can afford to run a vehicle
4) Brilliant. Oh, and actually, they are breeding less - the average family size in the west keeps shrinking.
Your current energy/resource consumption is all someone else's fault, check. This has to be one of my favorite aspects of the whole climate crisis discussion 😂
 
oh, and drop the "for the good of your children" bit. With the whole argument we went on about yesterday concerning Greta's abuse it's crystal clear that you could give a flying fig about children, or protecting them.

I am convinced that you are much less concerned about child labour in poor countries that allow you to overconsumption, than by the hell of Greta manipulated by adults.

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Your typical reaction when you realize how thin the ice you're walking on is. Strange enough, there's always enough time to spill your mindless preconceptions in a very engaged way while at the same time ignoring minimal means of logical thinking.
Yes I have already been confronted with this kind of brutal and expeditious reactions.

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I am convinced that you are much less concerned about child labour in poor countries that allow you to overconsumption, than by the hell of Greta manipulated by adults.

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You may or may not be correct, but I am curious as to how you would arrive at such a conclusion? Are children building my trucks and SUV's and supplying my various building materials which I use in my business to improve people's homes and make them more weather resistant and energy efficient?

That's a deep irony in the conversation where I'm habitually and repeatedly attacked on the pollution/climate issue: my business actually works directly with modifying new and existing homes to make them more "green." I'm willing to bet in this thread that I'm the ONLY person who directly impacts the issue under discussion in any kind of positive, tangible way outside of the constant bickering, arguing and virtue signalling that people such as you mistake for "doing something."
 
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You are such a valuable and adorable member of human society, I give you that. But never ever do I buy in your pretended sorrow about a young girls mental health. That's just the usual red herring you can tell your grandma.
Lolol. You disagree with me, so therefore I'm a monster who can't possibly contribute in a meaningful way to society. Your wrong across the board, here, picco. And yes, I do look at Greta as any mature, rational adult would: she's just a poor dumb kid, pretty much like all kids tend to be. The difference is, not all kids are being prostituted by their parents and gleefully used to grease the political climate crisis machine by all the other adults surrounding her and shouting rah rah rah from the Internet sidelines.
 
Doing the rounds on FB and is a rather funny hit back at the hypocrisy of the youth IMO.
.../snip
We go forwards from here, not backwards. The current populations are the sum total of human ingenuity and one of them, somewhere, is about to discover something we probably already know that hasn't been able to break through the established market resistance. Cui bono? Who gains by funding this narrative?

We see evidence of staggering advances in many technologies, but not steam turbines? :unsure:
 
That is evil, just evil and I like it. :D

She won't last ten days.

That said: Be careful, she may turn all of this against you. She 'will' be talking to her mates about all of this and they will be giving her ideas, to play the game, to her advantage.

Plus: I would be that she is using things like WiFi etc., eating the things she wants, away from home and around her mates houses etc.. So you will need to catch her out and then do some shaming yourself. Teach her, that you can't cheat the planet.
Ten minutes.
 
I've got a lot of respect for Greta; she's a very committed person. I happen to agree with her view of climate change; I believe that if we don't do something right now and in a massive upheaval, we will get more immigration, many people will die and our children and grandchildren will inherit a worse life than ours.

However, to blame everything on our generation is to mis-understand history. I'm a little too young to have taken part in the 1960s, but there were vast numbers of young people there who were probably just as committed to the environment as Greta is. As some have said, that was pollution rather than climate change. We did have a pretty good effect on that. But the people who were protesting for the environment are, by and large, not the people running government now. Most of our politicians were raised in conservative households, went to private schools and studied hard at prestigious universities while looking down at the hippies. Their peer group wore jackets and bow ties to dinner rather than tie-dye dresses and sandals.

I have pontificated that we made a mistake with racism; we assumed that we had it beaten when it became government policy. In fact we only achieved a 51% penetration. Now that the government position is less condemning, that 49% has been empowered. It's the same problem with environmentalism.We pushed hard enough that changes were made but we didn't convince everybody, even in our own generation or our children's. Now that the reality is becoming known and the only way to fix it is to spend vast amounts of money and live a less rich life, it is a very hard sell.

I don't see any condemnation of Greta being at all on point with her arguments. They all attack her and her actions. Attacking her parents or the shadowy corporations supposedly behind her is attacking her; it robs her of free-will and makes her a stooge. That accusation must wound her personally, and therefore it is an attack on her. Her sailing across the Atlantic is another straw-man. If she had flown they they would have attacked that even if, as one article suggested, she had taken a standby seat. I've not seen any actual calculation of the carbon footprint of her voyage other than complaining that some crew-members had to fly. Sure the boat had to be made but so did the airplane. Her meals were probably packaged in plastic, but they all are. The electric car that Schwarzenegger lent her uses fossil fuel to make the electricity. (But the UK now uses more sustainable than fossil fuels to generate electricity quite often.) It is impossible in the modern world to be completely carbon neutral. That is the whole problem that she is fighting.To condemn her whole argument on those grounds is missing the point.

I don't have time to read scientific papers on every subject. I do read a few and I can recognise outrageously bad science and pure populism. That's all I see in the anti-climate change camp. On the other hand I see that 99%+ of scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change. That's good enough for me. And anyway...
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"Her sailing across the Atlantic is another straw-man. If she had flown they they would have attacked that even if, as one article suggested, she had taken a standby seat. I've not seen any actual calculation of the carbon footprint of her voyage other than complaining that some crew-members had to fly. Sure the boat had to be made but so did the airplane. Her meals were probably packaged in plastic, but they all are."

Or: She could have used the internet, to broadcast her message? However: Her trip was arranged, by her father and was just another publicity stunt. Including a few internet broadcasts, during the trip.
 
Yeah the only mistake previous generations made was to want their kids to have a better life...what a COLLOSAL balls up that was eh? Should hang 'em all for thinking that way.

The thing is, a little comprehension is needed, most people know we all need to do something....thing is I can't see the millenials doing much but "moan" about what the previous generations did.

I realise mdern tech is more efficient. But I bet there are MORE modern phones in circulation than there were walkmans and MORE laptops now than PCs back in the day. Also these deives are on for longer too, did you play your walkman ALL day, because most millenials phones will be on all day. But to save arguing can someone show the power consumption figures for the 70's 80's 90's compared to 2000's and 2010's? If less power is being consumed now then I'll conceed.

I would bet a lot of money that your "average" milllenial has a LOT of electronic doodads.
I dunno who does buy plastic toys anymore?...I'll just look online and see what the top toys are then shall I.......oh look all PLASTIC. Not sure what planet you live on to say that.
Of course school kids can't afford to run a vehicle, I think lack of license would be a problem to eh?
Which is good thing and needs to continue and the rest of the world needs to do likewise.
The energy consumption roughly follows the size of the population, but one very overlooked new consumption is IT which is rapidly growing. It's not completely following Moore's Law, due to technology becoming more energy efficient, but it's growing exponentially with a doubling time shorter than anything else. If we were to continue that we would be spending what amounts to the current global energy consumption only on IT in ~30 years. No worries. That's not going to happen.

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Wait, you can buy one of those?
I thought you knew that ;)
 
You may or may not be correct, but I am curious as to how you would arrive at such a conclusion? Are children building my trucks and SUV's and supplying my various building materials which I use in my business to improve people's homes and make them more weather resistant and energy efficient?

That's a deep irony in the conversation where I'm habitually and repeatedly attacked on the pollution/climate issue: my business actually works directly with modifying new and existing homes to make them more "green." I'm willing to bet in this thread that I'm the ONLY person who directly impacts the issue under discussion in any kind of positive, tangible way outside of the constant bickering, arguing and virtue signalling that people such as you mistake for "doing something."
I think that I may have accidentally gained the high ground here.

I have never owned a car, due to not being able to gain a driving licence, due to medical issues.

I have been planting trees, for close to 4 decades. Not for any green reasons, what so ever. I just wished to leave a make, on the places, I have lived. Just to look up and say, I planted that. but there are now, 100s of trees, cleaning CO2 and making Oxygen.

My heating is turned right down. Simply because I am poor.

About the only thing, I can say that I have been, conscientiously doing for decades, is re-cycling.
 
I think that I may have accidentally gained the high ground here.

I have never owned a car, due to not being able to gain a driving licence, due to medical issues.

I have been planting trees, for close to 4 decades. Not for any green reasons, what so ever. I just wished to leave a make, on the places, I have lived. Just to look up and say, I planted that. but there are now, 100s of trees, cleaning CO2 and making Oxygen.

My heating is turned right down. Simply because I am poor.

About the only thing, I can say that I have been, conscientiously doing for decades, is re-cycling.

Yup being poor is very good at having a low impact on the environment!

It's all the rich sods fault!!
 
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