HIP 54530 - Bountied for Murdering Federal Agent

goemon

goemon
for a weird reason differently to stations and installation i think megaships as well as fleetcarriers have no sphere of jurisdiction around them.
because at an installation or station controlled by silver legal systems your bounty of jupiter division does not apply, while at iron wings of justice it does?

if that is the case, i think a suggestion for a sphere of jurisdiction around a megaship similar to a station would make a lot of sense.
 

Atlictoatl

Atlictoatl
Chrystoph said:
Flying back to the Iron Wings to do maintenance, I suddenly find myself the target of an Interdiction. I submitted to find out what was happening, and it turns out that the ship is Jupiter faction.

Since there is a civil war in progress and I am flying for the other side, I killed it. I now have a Bounty for Murdering a Federal Agent. It doesn't even count for the CG as it wasn't in the CZ.

I am not expecting any resolution on this, but, Frontier, if you're going to have a war between two elements of the Fed, turn off the Bounties, or extend the Lawlessness, in the system.
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Chrystoph said:
Every one of your posts either misconstrues, or ignores, the fact that a Jupiter faction interdicted me while I was on approach to the Iron Wings.

I did not go looking for a fight and drop on someone else, I didn't meet him on neutral ground, we weren't passing in the street, a patrol of the DECLARED ENEMY interdicted me while on approach to my Base of Operations.

Yes, I understand that, under the current mechanics, that is not considered a hostile act. What I am writing to say is that, during a war between established factions where both parties have an established, opposed, status (I am enrolled in the CG on the opposite side), this Should be a hostile act.

The "policeman" is of disputed authority in this specific circumstance because, legally, his ENTIRE faction is in rebellion and I am acting as an agent of the authority they are rebelling against.
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The Federation doesn't have recognized authority in HIP 54530; Jupiter Division does. Sliver Legal Group has infiltrated the system and is attempting to overthrow the system authority.

You've been fighting in a combat zone where bounties aren't ascribed, and after leaving the zone were interdicted by an authority vessel of the system you're waging war in. Because the CZ is not applying bounties, you could have submitted to scan and then been on your way to conduct maintenance and then go back to the combat zone. Instead, you decided to engage combat with the authority vessel.

It seems as though putting a bounty on your head is the appropriate action of the system authority.

For better verisimilitude, it would make more sense for combatants in the CZ to have bounties placed on them for showing their colors in a civil war. Pilots fighting for SLG would receive bounties within jurisdictions controlled by or allied with Jupiter Division. Pilots fighting for JG would receive bounties in jurisdictions controlled by or allied with Sliver Legal Group.

It would similarly add more verisimilitude if the respective megaships had a patrol/control sphere around them; as you approach your megaship, they are also flying patrols to both interdict enemy combatants and to help protect their own combatants returning to base of operations. In such a simulation, it would make a lot of sense for PC and NPC ships to engage in interdictions on ships traveling from a CZ to a megaship.

Frontier has obviously decided, for whatever reasons, to limit open warfare to designated Combat Zones. By your actions, you are now able to extend your roleplaying by having to contend with authority vessels while you are out of the CZ. That sounds like it could be a lot of fun, assuming SLG allied NPC ships don't target your bounty. If every ship in the system is now targeting you, that would break immersion.
 

MickyG1982

M
"Report Crimes Against Me" It does what it says on the tin.

Had you had it turned on the interdictor would have become wanted instead & you would not have recieved a bounty.
 

Vetinari

V
Chrystoph said:
Everyone else - Congrats on rules lawyering, now open your ears and listen, I am saying that it shouldn't be so BECAUSE there is a war (not an insurrgency) in progress WHICH means that the legal authority is contested. I am not complaining, as I stated previous, I am pointing out what I consider to be a flaw in execution.
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In which case its military law, much tougher than civilian law usually

Chrystoph said:
Do you honestly expect the other side to make fine distinctions in a declared shooting war?
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Well did they? Did they open fire on you or just pull you over to check your papers?
 

CMDR Serra

CMDR Serra
MickyG1982 said:
"Report Crimes Against Me" It does what it says on the tin.

Had you had it turned on the interdictor would have become wanted instead & you would not have recieved a bounty.
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Nah. System authority ships are quite within their rights to pull anyone - even for no reason. If you kill them then that's classed as murder - even if there's a war going on.
 

aRJay

aRJay
MickyG1982 said:
"Report Crimes Against Me" It does what it says on the tin.

Had you had it turned on the interdictor would have become wanted instead & you would not have recieved a bounty.
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Not that I interdict people but doesn’t that just earn them a fine not a bounty and wanted status?
 

Feroand

Feroand
What you have done is similar to commit a war crime (in the game). Did you check the “wanted” or “lawless” status of the NPC before you attack it? You are only allowed to attack system autorities in the war zones. All of the system is not a warzone. Only conflict zones are. Otherwise, pirates can do whatever they want and those poor civilians live in terror.
Despire my being Jupiter side, they interdicted me for check if I am wanted or doing something "inappropiate" to them. Those Jupiter folks are very decisive when it comes to security, you know.

I am not sure but... I think the only time you interdict and kill someone without getting bounty is passing through the "conflict zone" while the warning in your screen. I am not talking about dropping the zone. You may see the icon while you are in supercruise.
 

thelion

thelion
Chrystoph said:
Flying back to the Iron Wings to do maintenance, I suddenly find myself the target of an Interdiction. I submitted to find out what was happening, and it turns out that the ship is Jupiter faction.

Since there is a civil war in progress and I am flying for the other side, I killed it. I now have a Bounty for Murdering a Federal Agent. It doesn't even count for the CG as it wasn't in the CZ.

I am not expecting any resolution on this, but, Frontier, if you're going to have a war between two elements of the Fed, turn off the Bounties, or extend the Lawlessness, in the system.
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You bally scallywag, what what
 
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