Nothing! I am impressed that I will finally have a game that will take advantage of my excessive ram LOL.
Practically every game I play uses less than 2gb, since they are all 32bit based exes.
Horizons: 64 bit only; DX11 only
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Nothing! I am impressed that I will finally have a game that will take advantage of my excessive ram LOL.
Practically every game I play uses less than 2gb, since they are all 32bit based exes.
so much for Bill Gates stating with certainty "we will never need more than 640k of RAM"
If only he ever said that...
But he's popular enough to be misquoted out of spite.
sauce:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110202030010/http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/gatesivu.htm
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so much for Bill Gates stating with certainty "we will never need more than 640k of RAM"
I'm pretty sure Genghis Khan advocated the horse as the fastest possible transportation, too.
I'm pretty sure Genghis Khan advocated the horse as the fastest possible transportation, too.
Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany:
I believe in the horse. The automobile is a temporary phenomenon.
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Typically, you only have a very rough idea during development what the final minimum system requirements will be. The reason is that optimization of the code to require less resources typically is a late step in the development. Also, some tough decisions may have to be made at that point - balancing the minimum feature set against system requirements.
TL;DR: They probably had a vague idea at best - "feelings" do not matter.
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Sure, because 1,000,000 people bought Horizons and are now returning it <Face Palm>. This may affect a few thousand people with stone-age computers - with current interest rates, that is chump change....
Yes, actually I do think they are being generous. It's in their full rights and best interest to up the ante on min specs whenever they choose to during the life of their game, even mid season and not even think about issuing refunds. They simply were a little late on the decision, probably thought they could pull it off with lower specs but then realised they didn't have to upon reviewing their hardware surveys, bite the bullet and are man enough to offer refunds. Sure, it is unfortunate the few people with lower specs will not be able to play without investing in new hardware. It's hardly unfortunate that they are getting refunds if they want.
I am running a machine that has a CPU from 2008 a MB from 2006 ish ect
its Still able to run on Ultra no problem.
if you want to play its going to cost you
$32 AUD for this CPU
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/INTEL-CO...809656?hash=item35f54e33b8:g:ei4AAOSwo6lWQn0T
EASILY OC'ed to 3GHZ on air I know cause I have my sons OC'ed above that on air
$60 AUD (inc delivery) for this MB (you could find cheaper if you spent more than the 30 seconds i have
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ASUS-P5Q...465193?hash=item4644c4e569:g:aiIAAOSwLzdWSzK6
So all in all a hundred bucks AU to get a 64bit system, yes you will need Win 7, but i am sure you can get that cheap as well.
If your out there and you have no clue about how to upgrade at this level PM me and I will help.
Thanks
its Still able to run on Ultra no problem.
if you want to play its going to cost you
$32 AUD for this CPU
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/INTEL-CO...809656?hash=item35f54e33b8:g:ei4AAOSwo6lWQn0T
EASILY OC'ed to 3GHZ on air I know cause I have my sons OC'ed above that on air
$60 AUD (inc delivery) for this MB (you could find cheaper if you spent more than the 30 seconds i have
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ASUS-P5Q...465193?hash=item4644c4e569:g:aiIAAOSwLzdWSzK6
So all in all a hundred bucks AU to get a 64bit system, yes you will need Win 7, but i am sure you can get that cheap as well.
If your out there and you have no clue about how to upgrade at this level PM me and I will help.
Thanks
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For those of you who are stuck on 32bit Windows but do have 64bit hardware, there is a chance that your Windows product key is good for the 64bit version of Windows as well. If you have your key handy you can plug it in at Microsoft's download site and check: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-recovery
Worth a look in case you don't actually need to buy a new copy of Windows, at least.
They don't even get to use that much thanks to how memory is addressed by the OS. 32bit Windows allows a maximum of 2GB for a process (/3gb boot switch notwithstanding, but you can't expect consumers to use that). Oddly enough a 32bit process can use a full 4GB on 64bit Windows, which can put a developer into a strange situation where even their 32bit program (built and tested on a 64bit system) can require >2GB and not actually work properly on a 32bit system.
I just had flashbacks of trying to get X-Wing running on my old 486 with the speech pack enabled. Even after running memmaker it ran short on conventional memory. I had to take notes via trial and error to figure out how the upper memory was laid out on my machine in order to tetris all the needed TSRs. Thanks for the trip down PTSD lane.
Worth a look in case you don't actually need to buy a new copy of Windows, at least.
They don't even get to use that much thanks to how memory is addressed by the OS. 32bit Windows allows a maximum of 2GB for a process (/3gb boot switch notwithstanding, but you can't expect consumers to use that). Oddly enough a 32bit process can use a full 4GB on 64bit Windows, which can put a developer into a strange situation where even their 32bit program (built and tested on a 64bit system) can require >2GB and not actually work properly on a 32bit system.
I just had flashbacks of trying to get X-Wing running on my old 486 with the speech pack enabled. Even after running memmaker it ran short on conventional memory. I had to take notes via trial and error to figure out how the upper memory was laid out on my machine in order to tetris all the needed TSRs. Thanks for the trip down PTSD lane.
I'll be very surprised if the game is unplayable on 4GB of RAM.
I'm looking forward to trying!
I don't have a problem with the 64bit OS requirement. 64bit support has been present since the first dual core CPUs.
The DX11 requirement however is a bit of a problem. Look at this Steam hardware survey: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey . 16% of Steam users still use DX10 GPUs. If you calculate that off the total users that's a couple thousand users that could be potential customers. The thing is there are still a lot of capable DX10 cards out there, like the Radeon hd4850, that can run nearly all modern games on decent settings and people may not be very keen to just throw them into the dumpster, especially with the economy being what it is. Sure, you can buy a DX11 card, but usually you will have to get a new power supply to go along with it, or you can get a gtx 750ti which is pretty expensive. Another card that comes to mind is Radeon hd7750, which is a bit weak, but it will do the job if you can get it cheaply.
I wish that FD would just use some kind of a dx10 wrapper. It may look ugly, but having more compatibility is always nice.
The DX11 requirement however is a bit of a problem. Look at this Steam hardware survey: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey . 16% of Steam users still use DX10 GPUs. If you calculate that off the total users that's a couple thousand users that could be potential customers. The thing is there are still a lot of capable DX10 cards out there, like the Radeon hd4850, that can run nearly all modern games on decent settings and people may not be very keen to just throw them into the dumpster, especially with the economy being what it is. Sure, you can buy a DX11 card, but usually you will have to get a new power supply to go along with it, or you can get a gtx 750ti which is pretty expensive. Another card that comes to mind is Radeon hd7750, which is a bit weak, but it will do the job if you can get it cheaply.
I wish that FD would just use some kind of a dx10 wrapper. It may look ugly, but having more compatibility is always nice.
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I disagree on that.
A game like Elite Dangerous should not go for customers on any conditions IMO. And personally I dont want that precious development time is wasted on backward compatibility, only to help some players to keep their Stoneage tech. You cannot simply put a wrapper around that whole compute shader stuff, thats far too complicated and therefore very costly. 16% Steam users is actually a very low number, because is says nothing about the interest in Elite. I hardly doubt that you could recruit many buyers from this quite small group. And even that numbers will dwindle quite fast in the future, because more and more games goes for DX11 and DX12. So why put efforts in that ? I also bet that most players of that DX10 group is actually counted by their 2nd computers or play only games which are not very demanding on resources and therefore would not look for games like Elite Dangerous.
A game like Elite Dangerous greatly benefits from a good graphical presentation, so "looking ugly" only to get some more cash is the wrong way here. DX11 ist many years old now (we are not talking about DX12 here), so Frontier is not demanding anything unfair. If somebody is still unwilling/unable to upgrade to DX11, he cannot demand in 2015 that everybody is waiting for them. Its like demanding smartphone apps for old cellphones.
Without a petition signed by a greater number of interested players, I would not move a finger if I were Frontier, there is nothing to gain here at the end of the day IMO.
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The only thing concerning me right now is the RAM requirement...guess I'll see if it crashes my laptop in a few weeks when the update happens, and if it does I'll just have to play something else til I can get my hands on some more RAM (going to be on vacation at Disney when Horizons drops, so testing will NOT be happening...and spare cash won't be happening either ).
).With the way of the world today, to be honest, I hope he's not correct..
Yup. 16% of Steam users is a large number, but 16% of Steam users who own Elite: Dangerous is likely very small (I've read elsewhere that the issue affects some 8,000 players, and any of those who have pre-ordered will get a full refund.) It's not great that those 8,000 people won't be able to play Horizons, but there are two considerations:
- How many of them still play Season 1?
- How many of them will upgrade to Season 2?
There are more people who want a Linux client, IMO (I'm one of them).
Also to consider, some of these users may be waiting for a catalyst for that long awaited upgrade, which Horizons very well could be for a number of people. I for one, am looking at upgrading my current computer for Horizons.
