Horizons tanked in sales?

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Of course there are criticisms; I've made a fair few myself. But I'm not proclaiming the game a dismal failure based on some spurious interpretations of very incomplete data set sampled over a very short period at a very atypical commercial period. There's valid criticism and there is projecting your anger and frustration.

Apparently I've already given you too much rep for me to give another one at this point....but thank you for stating this as it is eerily too accurate a descriptor for too many people who are on here as "doom and gloom".
 
Of course there are criticisms; I've made a fair few myself. But I'm not proclaiming the game a dismal failure based on some spurious interpretations of very incomplete data set sampled over a very short period at a very atypical commercial period. There's valid criticism and there is projecting your anger and frustration.

Apparently I've already given you too much rep for me to give another one at this point....but thank you for stating this as it is eerily too accurate a descriptor for too many people who are on here as "doom and gloom".

galenhammond: +1 rep for attempting to give more rep

nexxo: Previously +1 rep'd you for that post :)
 
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Like many others I'm very much in shock about how Frontier could do so much wrong after their great start, that's all. Although for anyone paying attention signs started to appear around the middle of 2015... Plus I really didn't expect it to do that bad in terms of sales. Anyway, I hope they can turn it around because contrary to what most of you believe I actually want the franchise to succeed.

OP: Conjecture without factual backup is merely conjecture. When did you actually buy Elite: Dangerous? Were you around last year for the pre-release Gamma build (as I was, having bought the Beta + LEP package back in July 2014)? Elite: Dangerous had anything but a "great" start...there were many technical issues that had to be ironed out right after release due to the fact that the response to the public offering was more intense than originally expected. By comparison, Horizons release has been a miracle of technical "smooth as butter" as one could hope for in comparison to the initial release last year.
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That said, criticisms of the game mechanics are not discouraged....however hyperbolic posts that propound "doom and gloom" simply do NOT help. If you have a valid criticism, then provide such criticisms constructively. By way of example, you could post in the "Suggestions and Feedback" forum here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=76. If I were to make such a post, I would post in the following format:
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1. Issue: What specifically needs to be addressed.
2. Reason: Why does the above issue need to be addressed?
3. Analysis: How can addressing this issue help/hurt/fix/etc. the game?
4. Conclusion: Summarize the above points.
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Just my $0.02 USD worth.:)

EDIT: I'd also refrain from hyperbole and exaggeration and stick to as neutral a reporting style as I could. In my experience when bringing issues to the Devs' attention, a constructive criticism gets way more attention and love than a "OMG this game like totally, like, sucks, and like, stuff" kind of post.
 
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Out of interest, has anyone seen the reviews of Elite Horizon on Steam. How can any title survive that kind of slating?
Whether you agree with Steam or not, it is a hugely influential platform for P.C gaming. and the Elite Horizon page makes for ugly reading.
 
There will be promotions, for sure

Given most who think it is value for money would have brought it already I would imagine they would want others to buy it at well so it will come down in price until there is a good uptake..

Out of interest, has anyone seen the reviews of Elite Horizon on Steam. How can any title survive that kind of slating?
Whether you agree with Steam or not, it is a hugely influential platform for P.C gaming. and the Elite Horizon page makes for ugly reading.

May slow the game up on Steam but most hear think steam is pointless anyway so it won't matter..

I usually take notice of more "professional" reviews...
 
Out of interest, has anyone seen the reviews of Elite Horizon on Steam. How can any title survive that kind of slating?
Whether you agree with Steam or not, it is a hugely influential platform for P.C gaming. and the Elite Horizon page makes for ugly reading.

I have never bought a game based on Steam reviews.
If I did, my Steam inventory would be empty.
 
Out of interest, has anyone seen the reviews of Elite Horizon on Steam. How can any title survive that kind of slating?
Whether you agree with Steam or not, it is a hugely influential platform for P.C gaming. and the Elite Horizon page makes for ugly reading.

Juice Terry, time will tell - as always.

If EDH survives this "slating" I would respectfully suggest that perhaps Steam reviews "ain't all that" and gamers in general might take such reviews with a large pinch of NaCl whilst perhaps trusting more in their own experience, trusted friends' experience, trusted reviewers' reports and sales figures, Steamcharts position, industry awards etc. rather more than the opinions of random, unknown posters (often with brief in-game time) posting repeatedly hyperbolic statements.
 
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Given most who think it is value for money would have brought it already...

That's one hell of an assumption. Some people wait for their end of the month pay check. Some people are waiting for Christmas money to come their way. Some people will not get around to it until the weekend... Some are still downloading. :p

The fact that graphs show a steady trend of about 3000 buyers per day and has not wavered from that for the last seven days suggests that we're not finished yet. Let's give it a month at least.
 
If I am shelling out 40GBP for a game and around half the reviews say "don't bother" then yes.
It depends on how they say it. Steam reviews seem to be either very good in their construction, or very bad. The worst are those who just seem to be trying to outdo one another with humorous allegory. I just took a quick gander at some, and honestly a lot of the negative ones are misinformed and are spreading misinformation. Not a single one I read actually related that Horizons is an entire season of content, and people not knowing and reading that will assume they are paying an premium for just planetary landings and not getting anything else. A lot of them are also so repetitious it seems like the same person is writing them over and over. I appreciate people's right to be critical. But at the same time you should also be fair.
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Honestly, I'm thankful I bought in when I did, and based my purchase on my own research and well known review sites, before Steam reviews were available to read.
 
That's one hell of an assumption. Some people wait for their end of the month pay check. Some people are waiting for Christmas money to come their way. Some people will not get around to it until the weekend... Some are still downloading. :p

The fact that graphs show a steady trend of about 3000 buyers per day and has not wavered from that for the last seven days suggests that we're not finished yet. Let's give it a month at least.

Perhaps the fact (as evidenced in this thread, and elsewhere) that some are not prepared to wait until passing judgement is symptomatic of a desire amongst some to create a self-fulfilling prophecy for "reasons".

On that subject, it's interesting to note that a minority have been naysaying ED since before its v1.0 release on 16th December 2014, and yet here we are - a year hence - with confirmed unit sales of 825,000 as of Frontier's September 2015 financial report, and an upcoming January report more than likely showing sales in excess of 1million units (for a certainly niche game - only 25,681 Kickstarter Backers - that according to some was destined to fail months ago, along with the collapse of Frontier)
 
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It depends on how they say it. Steam reviews seem to be either very good in their construction, or very bad. The worst are those who just seem to be trying to outdo one another with humorous allegory. I just took a quick gander at some, and honestly a lot of the negative ones are misinformed and are spreading misinformation. Not a single one I read actually related that Horizons is an entire season of content, and people not knowing and reading that will assume they are paying an premium for just planetary landings and not getting anything else. A lot of them are also so repetitious it seems like the same person is writing them over and over. I appreciate people's right to be critical. But at the same time you should also be fair.
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Honestly, I'm thankful I bought in when I did, and based my purchase on my own research and well known review sites, before Steam reviews were available to read.
I have no axe to grind here but people are being naïve if they believe that the reviews posted by gamers on a game download site like Steam can be ignored from a marketing point of view. Look at the reviews of other well respected titles, they are usually 90% positive.
 
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11/01/2015, 11:20 PM
I will continue to check out ED's progress and I will continue to make do with EvE and supplement my dogfighting lust in War Thunder. I genuinely want ED to succeed, but I am not convinced enough yet to join you all.

Surely the more important question is why did you reactivate a long dormant forum account with 7 posts, to jump into a thread about a product you don't own, to tell people that do own it, that nobody is buying it?

I do own it. Bought it for a tenner on Steam

Great to finally have you on-board CMDR, and glad that you were eventually convinced enough to join us all.

Everyone has their price, after all.

£10 is an absolute bargain for ED!

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