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I have telescope and know my way around, sorta... . It's a nice hobby which pairs really good with this game.
How accurate is ED Milky Way?
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I have telescope and know my way around, sorta... . It's a nice hobby which pairs really good with this game.
One of the big issues is that a small error in determining one parameter can spiral into big errors in determining other parameters - it's not that the maths / physics models are necessarily difficult but that they have to build upon each other.
As an example, if you look at this paper it boils down to "the distance to the Pleiades (yes, those Pleiades, the ones right on our doorstep) has been in question for a while; there's a whole bunch of measurements which roughly agree but the Hipparcos ones don't; we tried something new and got a better distance; it's important because the Pleiades are the nearest cluster of bright young stars like that and we use the information on them to work out stuff about other bright young stars, so it really matters." There's a good chart included showing the distance estimates from different sources including their error bars.
Thing is so many of the general sources for information about this stuff don't bother to include the vital "...ish" on the details: a nebula is presented as being "at 5000 light years away", or a star is presented as being "150 Solar masses" or whatever, or a map is drawn with spiral arms neatly marked and so on and so on, and people see them and (quite reasonably) think that we know these things to be exactly true. Especially you can take any of the "10 biggest stars" lists with a big pinch of salt.
Obviously that is true, but I think some leniency is a given. If you ask someone who isn't interested in astronomy, maths, stars or whatever I am pretty sure they think it's all guess work though. And that's my point, a lot of this stuff is quite reasonable mathemathics where we know a lot of numbers and get other numbers based on that. Still won't be 100% exact, but a lot of it probably isn't half-bad either.
It should be said that a lot of the presentation of numbers like these also low to blow up numbers to make it more exciting, such as Vy Canis Majoris info on internet / youtube.
In astronomy, it is quite rare to be able to measure anything with a high degree of certainty. Even "standard candles" often have a significant error margin. Try to imagine a sentient "microbial scientist" in the human gut trying to figure out the exact shape dimensions and composition of a human body, all while being stuck in its rather inauspicious vantage point, and having an extremely short life cycle compared to the age of the human. That is pretty much what we are up against when trying to determine the shape and composition of the milky way. Given how well we know what we currently think we know about the universe, I think David Braben and FD have done an amazing job building one of the most accurate galactic simulations ever created and then building a whole game around it as well.
TO THE OP: I have found that many objects that do not seem to be in the game are actually under a different catalog number. Quite often the same object will have more than one catalog number due to the many sky surveys that have been done. Famous objects also tend to have to have both official names with variations as well as a few pseudonyms thrown in just to confuse things a bit further. I have found most of the objects I am familiar with, but it took quite a bit of searching, In any case, who knows which catalog will become more prevalent or which names we will keep in 1300 years?
As an example there are 31 names for the Crab Pulsar alone on the SIMBAD database (used by professional astronomers):
http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-basic?Ident=crab+pulsar&submit=SIMBAD+search#lab_ident
TO THE OP: I have found that many objects that do not seem to be in the game are actually under a different catalog number. Quite often the same object will have more than one catalog number due to the many sky surveys that have been done. Famous objects also tend to have to have both official names with variations as well as a few pseudonyms thrown in just to confuse things a bit further. I have found most of the objects I am familiar with, but it took quite a bit of searching, In any case, who knows which catalog will become more prevalent or which names we will keep in 1300 years?
As an example there are 31 names for the Crab Pulsar alone on the SIMBAD database (used by professional astronomers):
http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-basic?Ident=crab+pulsar&submit=SIMBAD+search#lab_ident
I went through your list and most if not all are included in game, plus many others. This map shows some of the planetary nebulae ingame, it's definitely not complete, I have found many that are not on the map https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=132714&p=2222732#post2222732
I am so glad. So its me who hasnt put enough work into the game...
Thanks a lot! I will look into it.
Side note: FD could add some extanded ingame search engine and more tags under the system name so it incorporates different variations...
The Real Milky Way Is In Motion This Means As Hours Pass Objects Move Away or Towards The Game Is VERY Oversimplified In Terms of What It Actually Takes To Navigate A Galaxy Steam Rockets Utilize Accelerated Transfers To Achieve Faster Than Light Speeds This Is Possible Because Planets Orbit Stars Which Orbit The Galactic Center As Galaxies Orbit Each Other With A Solar Powered Steam Rocket The Only Limit To Your "jump" "range" Is How Much Steam Pressure You Can Pack Into A Boiler To Drive Steam Turbines And Force All That Heat Out The Exhaust Manifold Using The External Vacuum of Space As A Powerful Heat Pump
This Is A Steam Boiler A Real Steam Rocket Has Ten of These Rigged Up To Five Vacuum Driven Heat Pumps That Force Extremely HOT GAS Through A Narrow Rocket Nozzle All Powered By Retractable Solar Panels The Result Is Constant Acceleration And At The Center of All This Is A Flash Boiler And Using The Power of Steam And Solar I Have Stared Outside The Windows of A Steampunk Spaceship That Aliens Built My Abduction Story Is Awesome Because The Aliens Showed Me Everything And Believe Me Frontier Developments Has No Idea What The Milky Way Is Really Like A Young Alien Girl Once Told Me That If You Stare Into The Abyss There's Always Something Starring Back At You Outer Space Is VERY VERY Dark You Could Stare Into The Window For Hours And Never See Anything Not Even The Stars And As For Ship Interiors You Ever Played On A Jungle Gym Well That's How You Get Around In Space "pole dancing" Is More Than A Show In Zero Gravity My First Experience With Zero Gravity Was Worthy of It's Own Movie Because When You Let Go of The Pole You Just "float" It's Really Freak Another Issue Is The Stuffy Nose Constant Farting And Indigestion But After A While The Sense of Vertigo Becomes A Sort of "high" You Eat Sleep And Drink On A Pole or Ladder of Some Type Because In Zero Gravity You Don't Wanna Be "floating around" As Steel Cables Harnesses And Heavy Duty Clips Ensure That Even If You Lose Your Grip You Won't Float Away or Slam Up Against A Wall Outer Space The Way I Experienced It Is More Akin To Parkour And Rock Climbing But Mostly Climbing Because Well Bipedal Locomotion Doesn't Work Properly In Zero Gravity
Whenever I Think About My Time With The Aliens My Body Remembers The Experience More So Then My Mind Because You See Zero Gravity Is New Humans Have Sailed Across The Ocean And Explored Uncharted Lands But All of This Exotic Exploration Occurred On Earth Where Two Things Are Certain Gravity And Air In Space Gravity Is Gone And Air Has To Be Made Breathable I Felt Like A Kitten Among Lions But Underneath All That Soft White Skin Was HEART! I May Not Be An Astronaut But I Gave It My All In That Alien Crew I Didn't Care If I Became Famous or Not I Don't Care If Anyone Believes My Story The Actions I Took Part In Throughout The Solar System Will Forever Have Long-Term Consequences On Those Follow For Neil Armstrong Was Right It Is Indeed One Small Step For A Single Man But One GIANT LEAP For Mankind There Is A Great Veil of Deception That Separates Humanity From Their Roots We Are Not Who We Think We Are And I Learned This With The Aliens And After Having Seen The Other Side of A Big Lie With My Own Five Senses I Just Laugh At Frontier Developments Because FDev Doesn't Really Know What Their Talking About Gravity Itself Cannot Be Controlled And There's No Magical "frame shift drive" That Automatically Teleports You To A New Solar System Every Single Parsec We Traveled Was An Every Second Counts Situation A Meteorite The Size of A Paint Chip Struck Our Shuttle Buckling A Release Valve Steam Pressure Was Unable To Vent And I Had To Crawl And Climb Through The Cage-Like Corridors With A Pipe Wrench To Open The Valve And Release The Steam Pressure Within Two Minutes Otherwise I'd Be Dead And Wouldn't Be Here Typing This That's How Real That Was And When I Opened That Valve The Steam Released Dangerously Close To My Face If I Had Been A Fraction of An Inch Closer I'd Had Suffered A Serious Burn Injury This Impulsive Heroic Action Not Only Saved The Ship It Also Saved The Crew And There Are Many Real Aliens Who Will Remember Me For That what Will You Be Remembered For David Braben Your Game And Your Community Is An Insult To Those Who Know What Space Really Is And Will Never Be Believed Because They Are Not Astronauts Who "earned" Their Credentials Abductees Like Me Are Just Ordinary People Whose Lives Were Turned Upside Down By Virtue of Simply "letting them in" Make No Mistake There Is No "community" With This "multiplayer" Game This Is Just Viral Marketing And Sales Tactics Taken Way Beyond The Pale
This Is A Steam Boiler A Real Steam Rocket Has Ten of These Rigged Up To Five Vacuum Driven Heat Pumps That Force Extremely HOT GAS Through A Narrow Rocket Nozzle All Powered By Retractable Solar Panels The Result Is Constant Acceleration And At The Center of All This Is A Flash Boiler And Using The Power of Steam And Solar I Have Stared Outside The Windows of A Steampunk Spaceship That Aliens Built My Abduction Story Is Awesome Because The Aliens Showed Me Everything And Believe Me Frontier Developments Has No Idea What The Milky Way Is Really Like A Young Alien Girl Once Told Me That If You Stare Into The Abyss There's Always Something Starring Back At You Outer Space Is VERY VERY Dark You Could Stare Into The Window For Hours And Never See Anything Not Even The Stars And As For Ship Interiors You Ever Played On A Jungle Gym Well That's How You Get Around In Space "pole dancing" Is More Than A Show In Zero Gravity My First Experience With Zero Gravity Was Worthy of It's Own Movie Because When You Let Go of The Pole You Just "float" It's Really Freak Another Issue Is The Stuffy Nose Constant Farting And Indigestion But After A While The Sense of Vertigo Becomes A Sort of "high" You Eat Sleep And Drink On A Pole or Ladder of Some Type Because In Zero Gravity You Don't Wanna Be "floating around" As Steel Cables Harnesses And Heavy Duty Clips Ensure That Even If You Lose Your Grip You Won't Float Away or Slam Up Against A Wall Outer Space The Way I Experienced It Is More Akin To Parkour And Rock Climbing But Mostly Climbing Because Well Bipedal Locomotion Doesn't Work Properly In Zero Gravity
Whenever I Think About My Time With The Aliens My Body Remembers The Experience More So Then My Mind Because You See Zero Gravity Is New Humans Have Sailed Across The Ocean And Explored Uncharted Lands But All of This Exotic Exploration Occurred On Earth Where Two Things Are Certain Gravity And Air In Space Gravity Is Gone And Air Has To Be Made Breathable I Felt Like A Kitten Among Lions But Underneath All That Soft White Skin Was HEART! I May Not Be An Astronaut But I Gave It My All In That Alien Crew I Didn't Care If I Became Famous or Not I Don't Care If Anyone Believes My Story The Actions I Took Part In Throughout The Solar System Will Forever Have Long-Term Consequences On Those Follow For Neil Armstrong Was Right It Is Indeed One Small Step For A Single Man But One GIANT LEAP For Mankind There Is A Great Veil of Deception That Separates Humanity From Their Roots We Are Not Who We Think We Are And I Learned This With The Aliens And After Having Seen The Other Side of A Big Lie With My Own Five Senses I Just Laugh At Frontier Developments Because FDev Doesn't Really Know What Their Talking About Gravity Itself Cannot Be Controlled And There's No Magical "frame shift drive" That Automatically Teleports You To A New Solar System Every Single Parsec We Traveled Was An Every Second Counts Situation A Meteorite The Size of A Paint Chip Struck Our Shuttle Buckling A Release Valve Steam Pressure Was Unable To Vent And I Had To Crawl And Climb Through The Cage-Like Corridors With A Pipe Wrench To Open The Valve And Release The Steam Pressure Within Two Minutes Otherwise I'd Be Dead And Wouldn't Be Here Typing This That's How Real That Was And When I Opened That Valve The Steam Released Dangerously Close To My Face If I Had Been A Fraction of An Inch Closer I'd Had Suffered A Serious Burn Injury This Impulsive Heroic Action Not Only Saved The Ship It Also Saved The Crew And There Are Many Real Aliens Who Will Remember Me For That what Will You Be Remembered For David Braben Your Game And Your Community Is An Insult To Those Who Know What Space Really Is And Will Never Be Believed Because They Are Not Astronauts Who "earned" Their Credentials Abductees Like Me Are Just Ordinary People Whose Lives Were Turned Upside Down By Virtue of Simply "letting them in" Make No Mistake There Is No "community" With This "multiplayer" Game This Is Just Viral Marketing And Sales Tactics Taken Way Beyond The Pale
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