How dangerous will the universe be?
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Michael Brookes
Game Director
aaahhhh! Michael is injured. The game will be even more terrible than expected
According to the urban dictionary...
Care Bear
1. Lightly derogatory term for an MMO player who avoids PVP combat, heavily preferring cooperative or solo PVE combat, chatting, or developing tradeskills/running quests. Depending on the game and the individual, this PVP avoidance can show up in several ways: by playing on strict non-PVP servers; by avoiding PVP areas or declining duels; or, by avoiding or condemning PVP players. Philosophically, they often cite unbalanced combat systems, overpowered guilds, ebayed characters, and ganking as reasons to prefer less aggressive play. The mindset can be self-sustaining in several ways: high-level "care bears" may have avatars that are tailored for PVE, not PVP; they may not network with skilled PVP players; or, they may morally refuse to learn aggressive PVP tactics. As an insult, the term applies less to players who merely prefer PVE to PVP and more to individuals who question the basic legitimacy of PVP or who greatly overreact to their avatars' deaths. Bear in mind that it is strictly incorrect to refer to the victims of heavy exploiters as Care Bears. Abbreviated CB. Compare with RPK, Player Killing/PK, PVP.
2. Adjective describing a strictly PVE server or game.
PVP: *kills CB*
CB: What the ****? I didn't do anything to you; why did you kill me?
PVP: You were there.
CB: This is bull****. Go away!
PVP: *kills CB again*
CB: Quit camping me! what is wrong with you?
PVP: You were still there.
CB: *logs out*
Above sounds like any other day in EvE
Care Bear
1. Lightly derogatory term for an MMO player who avoids PVP combat, heavily preferring cooperative or solo PVE combat, chatting, or developing tradeskills/running quests. Depending on the game and the individual, this PVP avoidance can show up in several ways: by playing on strict non-PVP servers; by avoiding PVP areas or declining duels; or, by avoiding or condemning PVP players. Philosophically, they often cite unbalanced combat systems, overpowered guilds, ebayed characters, and ganking as reasons to prefer less aggressive play. The mindset can be self-sustaining in several ways: high-level "care bears" may have avatars that are tailored for PVE, not PVP; they may not network with skilled PVP players; or, they may morally refuse to learn aggressive PVP tactics. As an insult, the term applies less to players who merely prefer PVE to PVP and more to individuals who question the basic legitimacy of PVP or who greatly overreact to their avatars' deaths. Bear in mind that it is strictly incorrect to refer to the victims of heavy exploiters as Care Bears. Abbreviated CB. Compare with RPK, Player Killing/PK, PVP.
2. Adjective describing a strictly PVE server or game.
PVP: *kills CB*
CB: What the ****? I didn't do anything to you; why did you kill me?
PVP: You were there.
CB: This is bull****. Go away!
PVP: *kills CB again*
CB: Quit camping me! what is wrong with you?
PVP: You were still there.
CB: *logs out*
Above sounds like any other day in EvE
Who said anything about it being good? but does that mean it shouldn't be there?
You're easy prey because you chose to be.. why should players who play the role of someone who attacks people (pirates, bounty hunters etc.) be punished for that?
If i play a pirate, should i not be allowed to attack anyone on sight that i though was carrying some good loot?
Okay, so I go and play in a private group or solo - how would your game be better if everyone playing the more passive roles did that?
Didn't say it would, but there should be dangers with playing passive as there are dangers with killing someone and getting a bounty.
You are saying outright you won't play with others because you might get killed, so you don't want the danger i take it?
It's derisive of a specific style of play which I find offensive. I like to mix it up, but completely support that people want to play without combat being more interested in the industrial/crafting/non-combat sides of a game. And are looked down upon because of it.
Even if you play solo or in private group, you can be attacked by pirates NPC if you don't take safe route ...
Didn't say it would, but there should be dangers with playing passive as there are dangers with killing someone and getting a bounty.
You are saying outright you won't play with others because you might get killed, so you don't want the danger i take it?
No, not at all. But if that's ALL it was then I'd see no point - I was responding to the "KOS carebears" comment.
It is clearly being used as a derogatory term by most of those who use it. I would not mind it if it was added to the forum's "blocked words" list...
I think the original point in reference to the possible meta game is of interest as I have no intention of getting involved in one. If such a meta game exists I would be concerned about the detrimental effect on my in-game experience.
Like a lot a people I have a busy life and game time is limited so I will be spending it playing the actual game.
The majority of the posts here seem to focus on the in-game level of danger and ignore the OP, preferring to say "carebear" over and over again.
Where does this opinion come from that says that the only dangerous thing in Elite: Dangerous will be the players? If that were the case the game would be no fun at all outside of pure PVP.
Elite was dangerous back in 1984 with no other players in it at all.
Like a lot a people I have a busy life and game time is limited so I will be spending it playing the actual game.
The majority of the posts here seem to focus on the in-game level of danger and ignore the OP, preferring to say "carebear" over and over again.
Where does this opinion come from that says that the only dangerous thing in Elite: Dangerous will be the players? If that were the case the game would be no fun at all outside of pure PVP.
Elite was dangerous back in 1984 with no other players in it at all.
I actually agree on the whole with Penthux. Surprisingly. But I disagree with his attitude on non-combat players.
However, if you wish to play the 'close-to-mmo' version of the game you must accept that players will try and steal from you, kill you or scam you. This is to be expected and this is part of the risk of playing the 'close-to-mmo' version of ED. Some people don't want that, either try and avoid it by moving somewhere far far away, or there is the non-mmo way of interacting. Sorry, but that's how I see it.
I find bullying unacceptable. I find people picking on new players unacceptable and the former warrants abuse, the latter, steps should be taken to allow new players a shot at something close to peace for a little while whilst they learn. These are concerns I'd like to see addressed.
I agree with Penthux mainly on the whole handsoff approach from the admin side of the game. I think unethical metagaming, although not being something I take part in, is part of the game. If there's a public comms/chat there will be spam.
I think there's a lot of comparison with EVE, I've made it myself, but EVE is also a great example to learn from. ED doesn't have to reinvent the wheel in terms of how large groups of people interact with one another.
However, if you wish to play the 'close-to-mmo' version of the game you must accept that players will try and steal from you, kill you or scam you. This is to be expected and this is part of the risk of playing the 'close-to-mmo' version of ED. Some people don't want that, either try and avoid it by moving somewhere far far away, or there is the non-mmo way of interacting. Sorry, but that's how I see it.
I find bullying unacceptable. I find people picking on new players unacceptable and the former warrants abuse, the latter, steps should be taken to allow new players a shot at something close to peace for a little while whilst they learn. These are concerns I'd like to see addressed.
I agree with Penthux mainly on the whole handsoff approach from the admin side of the game. I think unethical metagaming, although not being something I take part in, is part of the game. If there's a public comms/chat there will be spam.
I think there's a lot of comparison with EVE, I've made it myself, but EVE is also a great example to learn from. ED doesn't have to reinvent the wheel in terms of how large groups of people interact with one another.
Non combat player has to be careful in Elite universe, take safe route for travel or ask some friends (combat player) to protect you (for free or not) or hire combat NPC to protect you.
There are some way to travel safely for non combat player.
In all case if you are attacked by a large group of pirates ... the best thing is to flee if you can
There are some way to travel safely for non combat player.
In all case if you are attacked by a large group of pirates ... the best thing is to flee if you can
Got to agree with this. It's the same with calling all pvp players griefers.
Selective combatants ?
Philip Coutts
Volunteer Moderator
Since coming back to PC gaming because of ED I've realised I don't like a lot of the modern terms that have sprung up! Ganking, Carebears etc, I think I have to finally accept I'm getting older and grumpier
It will be interesting to see how FD police space as this will make a huge difference to a lot of people and will probably decide if people are going to stick with the multi-player universe or go single player.
It will be interesting to see how FD police space as this will make a huge difference to a lot of people and will probably decide if people are going to stick with the multi-player universe or go single player.
With Vipers!
Its not selective combatants if you don't choose to fight at all ;D
It is clearly being used as a derogatory term by most of those who use it. I would not mind it if it was added to the forum's "blocked words" list...
I would mind. Let's not start censoring words just because some people don't like them. That way is never a good way.
I wasn't being very serious, but I do beg to point out that most of the world is these days obsessed with censoring words that some people don't like them. Any word that one group uses to disparage another group is getting this treatment.
It's comments like that which are leaning me towards playing in a private group, or solo, sadly.
This for me too. I don't mind being shot at and killed by another player so much, but some of the hyper-aggressive attitudes on display in this thread are really off-putting. Anybody using the term 'carebear' starts sliding quite quickly in my estimation.