How do I make cliffs?
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FinalMantasyX
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I am posting genuine criticism. Like I said- take those RCT3 screenshots, and recreate them in planet Coaster. Does it or does it not take you more than two clicks? Because in RCT3, it doesn't.
Everyone else is having the same issue, if they try to achieve the same result.
Everyone else is having the same issue, if they try to achieve the same result.
The reason the claws come out is he refuses to listen and acts condescending and continues to whine whine whine! Plus I have not once seen him compliment the developer's on anything.
If he wants the terraforming tools to be like RCT3, then I suggest he play RCT3 because the tools we have here are much superior.
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FinalMantasyX
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Would or would not Planet Coaster benefit from a square terrain brush?
Would or would not Planet Coaster benefit from a tool to flatten terrain that extends down all the way to the terrain under it?
Would or would not Planet Coaster benefit from a tool to flatten terrain that extends down all the way to the terrain under it?
This strikes me as you don't want to be bothered putting a bit of effort into something and want the lazy way of doing something.
So? I mean really, a positive thread doesn't really help the devs much. Ok, feature X is good. So we ignore that and move on to feature Y which needs fixing. At least someone here is pointing out ways of making the game better. Not posting the 1000th version of 'this is the greatest game I've ever played (while somehow managing to ignore the countless issues present)"
He could at least give them credit where credit is due instead of trying to tear down everything and ignoring other posts that give legitimate arguments as if his opinion is the only one that matters and everyone else is wrong.
Sure things need to be improved, that is true with any game. But to continually trash a game is not the way to do it. There is an old saying, "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar". This means that you make more friends by being nice than by being rude, which he is not nice at all. If he tried being a bit nicer, he might get more positive replies.
I for one of many that are tired of listening to him complain that RCT3 was better or that RCTW is better. If that is truly how he feels, I have one suggestion - go play them![rolleyes]
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Eh, no ones here to makes friends. So that's not really relevant imo.
He may be overly aggressive towards the game, but as long as his points are valid-who cares? If he was saying 'the game is ❤︎❤︎❤︎❤︎' without providing reasons why, then I could see it being annoying and over the top. But as long as the posts are backed up with justification, the more the merrier.
Though I do disagree RCT 3 was better. Worst game of the series I think...
WingardiumLevicoaster
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You can still be positive and constructive. Also too many repetitive negative posts are driving people away from the community meaning in the future there will be less people for polite constructive criticism.
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I have made many friends here.
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Well I meant it's not the main point of the forums. Didn't mean to imply you can't do it.
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But the main point of the forum is not to tear a product down which at times I get the feeling that it is exactly what he wants to do. Be constructive, yes, but to continually attack, attack, attack gains nothing.
WingardiumLevicoaster
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Well I would say community building is one of the main reasons for a forum and that requires some firm of respect and some friendship. Feedback yes of course, but negative feedback shouldn't be disrespectful to developers. It also shouldn't shout so loud that more important negative feedback is ignored by politer posters. Positive feedback isn't also irrelevant as 1. Developers should know what they have done well 2. It boosts their morale. 3. They forum has been so miserable lately, some positive conversation is needed to encourage those forum put off by the misery. (by misery I don't mean negative feedback, rather negative attitudes)
I'd say it is. Best way to improve something is to pick it apart. Regardless of how small the issue. If it can be improved, it should be mentioned. Whether you agree with his tone and the way he words his posts is another story, but as long as the devs can look past that and see the real issue, that's all that matters.
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I don't really see how you can shout loud on a forum. All posts have the same weight. Unless you're spamming your post to bump it over and over. Which I don't really see anyone doing.
I guess I just disagree with the rest then. Especially 3. All I've seen since launch is people praising the game and telling people who complain that they should play something else. I'm just glad to finally start seeing some of the negatives get mentioned. Things I noticed since alpha that I never saw people, or reviews point out that I feel are huge flaws in the game. Not this thread specifically, but a few others I've started seeing pop-up.
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I one million percent agree with this. This game will get much better, much faster if we had friendly, helpful and constructive criticisms. As it stands right now, the devs hardly respond, and loads of threads just seem to people people moaning because they have some axe to grind. I want to see people making suggestions to improve this already awesome game, and Frontier working with us as a team to bring us the features that we want, while improving the ones we have. Anyone who has ever worked as a team with someone will know that just standing in the middle of the room complaining and stamping your feet does not create an atmosphere in which people are motivated to work together. Productivity, creativity and motivation all go completely downhill. We have to inspire FD to implement, not chide them for their mistakes.
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WingardiumLevicoaster
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They don't, the ones people post on get pushed to the top. The ones with constructive criticism have often been ignored with no one commenting so they don't get seen. I have no problem with negative feedback on the game (I have also never told anyone to play a different game) I do have a problem with repeating the same points over and over again on other people's threads about different feedback, and rudeness. It's all about delivery. If other members of the community start avoiding the forums, is it worth it? No, it becomes an echo chamber.
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I hope the OP found a way to make Cliffs in the end. [yesnod]
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I don't see constructive criticism threads being ignored, I find they often have the most replies lately. Now the honeymoon phase is starting to die off. Though I see people ignoring the criticism and instead focusing on the tone of the message, which I find pretty stupid. People should really learn to look past that and focus on the important parts.
If you don't like a user you can always ignore them. (as in click 'ignore user')Though I geuss you could just ignore their posts too.
WingardiumLevicoaster
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I actually gave help on this thread, plus I do not dislike anyone. It's not just about what a single person dislikes or likes, the community is being damaged.
Why is it stupid though? Is it not human nature to see something that you've spent time and effort on be dropped from a height, instead of lifted up? It's undeniable that Frontier are going to have a personal connection to this game, and it does nothing for people's morale to be constantly chided for not getting it right. You may be able to look past nasty tones in people's responses, but not everyone can. It's much easier to be inspired and create something when you feel great, instead of feeling like you've failed. See the other post I just made about teamwork - you can't make it happen if you don't do it right.
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In your opinion.
I'd be more than happy to see more threads criticising things (like OP and his other threads) in this game and in any other game. Rage threads are pointless, but if their rage is backed up with justification and reasoning, I can quite easily look past the way they worded their message and focus on the specifics. I hate when a good idea gets voted down/ignored because someone wasn't happy with a word that was used.
Also, none of my posts were directed at you specifically. I just meant in general.
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Because if a good idea gets posted, people should be more than capable of seeing the idea for what it is. Not ignoring it because the OP of the thread used a rude word. Sure, it might be better if they were more polite. But for what ever reason, they weren't. All you can do is be polite back and maybe they'll change their tone. If not, oh well. As long as their point is valid and justified.
But I was more referring to other users on the forums, the ones who reply to the threads. Not so much the devs.
WingardiumLevicoaster
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I personally would find it hard to look past attacks in a post. It would invalidate the post to me and hurt my feelings. Maybe some people think that is a weakness, but it doesn't get those problems fixed any quicker.
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I am sure it is not just my opinion, but yes. The forum is not a good place anymore for me.
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