How do you stop players from simply blowing up other players for the hell of it?

[Zhura]

solo you say?
yesterday i'm in solo doing 8 hours of scanning systems for cartographic data and then - interdiction and quick death. all 8-hour hard work is lost, and absolutely nothing i could do - owerpowered npc ship negates any piloting skills.

now all i want is get back my money, wasted for this trash...

 

[Tenshi]

Quick example

No combat rating, hauler carrying a few tons of Uranium. Interdicted by a player, offer them the cargo, ignores and just kills me.

Never fired a shot in the game. No rating whatsoever. Opposing player : Competent

Surely something in the game should prevent player being rewarded for this? If they get rating points towards Elite status, they're just going to hang around nav beacons and pirate every trader they see, with no fear of reputation penalties?

I get that its piracy, and I get they get the cargo, but if its already offered , and they just nuke you anyway, thats just griefing, surely?

Killing a clean status target whether npc or pc will not add to their combat rating.

Most will do it to see their names get to the top 5 bounties on galnet news feeds. Which is why I feel that news item needs to be removed from the game so it wont stoke their egos.

Also the majority of players who play the role of pirate are griefers anyway and will use the cover as a pirate to explain their motives.

Although there are some players who will let traders go after they drop some cargo the majority will just kill you after you have done so just for the lolz.

 

[marksawtell]

Player versus player is the most rewarding fight you can have imo! You have a choice , run or fight . Man up (or woman up ) and take your choice . If I'm honest ive had the most fun interdicting someone , firing a few shots but missing them on purpose , most open fire back and then become wanted . K-Ching .. Now they have a bounty ;-)

 

[Crumplecorn]

I love the way people start talking about 'role playing a psycho killer' when someone shoots a spaceship is a spaceship shooting game. I guess every CoD player is roleplaying a soldier.

 

[nexxo]

Would you not call a pirate off the coast of Somalia a bully? You missed the point of my post. People who kill other people for profit or fun are bullies. It's perspective. Do you really expect that the commanders being popped in their defenseless barges should enjoying being popped? This is space, people kill other people. In OPs case he was stopped and popped. That counts as bullying I dont understand why you're bringing rules into it?

No, I'd call him a criminal. A Somalian pirate doesn't go around killing people to feel better about his low self-esteem, but to eke out an existence in a dog-eat-dog world. Elite Dangerous allows for pirating. Pirating isn't nice. It also allows for bounty hunting, which involves equally harsh treatment.
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Those jump gate campers in EVE Online? A bunch of players in the adjacent secure system got tired of it so we rushed them: twenty large, armed vessels popped through the gate at once. They ran. Much fun was had.

 

[Helvellyn]

Surprise surprise, those sad litle worms who get a kick out of trying to annoy other players for no in-game reason (i.e. not for piracy, bounty hunting etc.) have turned up again.

 

[Morbad]

This "problem" is grossly exaggerated, and even if it were not, there would be no reason for arbitrary, artificial, limitations on it.

A Somalian pirate doesn't go around killing people to feel better about his low self-esteem.

More recent studies show that bullies tend to have a surplus of self-esteem.

 

[Remiel]

Surprise surprise, those sad litle worms who get a kick out of trying to annoy other players for no in-game reason (i.e. not for piracy, bounty hunting etc.) have turned up again.

You know there are NPCs that will kill you for no apparent reason as well, right? Just because a reason's not apparent to you, doesn't mean there's no reason.

 

[celebroom]

Those jump gate campers in EVE Online? A bunch of players in the adjacent secure system got tired of it so we rushed them: twenty large, armed vessels popped through the gate at once. They ran. Much fun was had.

Yip. Thats what Im saying though, form up, change tactics and grind them into the dust. An organised lynchmob is unstoppable. Trying to stop antisocial behavior by calling for game mechanics to be changed (other than solo mode and group) artificially limits the freedom we have. Concorde works (to a point) in Eve, but even with Concorde you can get ganked no problem. I rage quit when losing a months worth of work and isk. I wasnt paying attention, but hey. Concorde didnt help me there

 

[Helvellyn]

You know there are NPCs that will kill you for no apparent reason as well, right? Just because a reason's not apparent to you, doesn't mean there's no reason.

NPCs that have shot at me seem to be doing it for either piracy or buggy mechanics.

Who said anything about a reason apparent to me?

 

[nexxo]

More recent studies show that bullies tend to have a surplus of self-esteem.

Narcissistic overcompensation, technically (I feel worthless so I seek refuge in the childlike fantasy that I'm actually awesome).

 

[noodle]

Killing a clean status target whether npc or pc will not add to their combat rating.

It does. That was clarified by a dev a while back, unless they changed their position again.

 

[Remiel]

NPCs that have shot at me seem to be doing it for either piracy or buggy mechanics.

Who said anything about a reason apparent to me?

The reasons you just listed are apparent only to you. Some people, and NPCs, will attack you just because they can. You can call it 'buggy mechanics' if you want but imma ask you for a citation on that rather than take your word for it.

 

[noodle]

What ever happened to having to pay off your own bounty, even after being killed? Is that still a thing, or is it on the cutting room floor?

 

[ReaperAlex]

Would you not call a pirate off the coast of Somalia a bully? You missed the point of my post. People who kill other people for profit or fun are bullies. It's perspective. Do you really expect that the commanders being popped in their defenseless barges should enjoying being popped? This is space, people kill other people. In OPs case he was stopped and popped. That counts as bullying I dont understand why you're bringing rules into it?

i bring the rules into it as those are what defines the type of game

so given all the PvP games out there, do you think any form of PvP is bullying? in world of tanks, are all the players bullies? in call of duty, are all the players bullies?

in all those PvP games the players kill each other mostly for fun, seldom for profit. it's very much like a form of competitive sport. that doesn't mean things will always be an even match though. in most PvP games there is often one side who are much more skilled or have some other advantage.

at one point i was the smallest boy in the entire school. we also had to play rugby. when i was tackled was that me being bullied? every single boy on that pitch was bigger and stronger than me. so were they bullying me when they tackled me during a game? or were they playing by the rules and i was fair game?

the rules in elite are harsh, it doesn't matter if your opponent can gain financially from it, or gain in ranking, you are an open target and the punishment for attacking you is trivial. when i undock i expect there to be bigger and better players out there and one day i'll get interdicted and killed. that day is probably getting closer as my savings towards a type 6 near their completion. right now my viper and cobra are idea for escaping in, a type 6, yeah, that's going to get me killed at some point. but that's the game, if i did not want to {edit} run the risk of being {/edit} killed then i'd stay away from open. i don't want to die, but fighting for your life is a lot more fun than grinding NPC's

i am also very aware that many players chose open for a coop and social experience, and it quite frankly sucks that the game does not properly cater for them (group play and the often touted mobius group feels more like a work around to me)

so yes, the pirates from somalia are bullies and worse. but in elite the rules say you can shoot at each other, and in that context shooting at a player does not make someone a bully.

so are you saying that all PvPers from all PvP games are bullies? because this game has rules that define it as a PvP game to me. there might be no honour in killing a trading ship with a combat ship, but there is no honour in tackling the smallest boy in the school either. though just to be clear i was not in any way troubled by rugby, i actually preferred it to football and that was all over half a lifetime ago.

when we click on open we agree to fly in the same space the PvPers are flying in, and we know the rules support their gameplay more than they support coop.

 

[Helvellyn]

The reasons you just listed are apparent only to you. Some people, and NPCs, will attack you just because they can. You can call it 'buggy mechanics' if you want but imma ask you for a citation on that rather than take your word for it.

I've not noticed any NPCs attacking for no reason (well, some, but other threads suggest that it's either a bug or perhaps a faction thing if I'd bothered to check). People attacking "just because they can" don't have any good reason and are almost certainly obnoxious little ****s who start whinging when it's pointed out to them (and give negative rep for it I see). I've not one ounce of respect for anyone out to upset or spoil other people - that's not remotely within the spirit of the game. Doing it for their own gain, e.g. piracy, is entirely within the spirit so should be encouraged. Whether or not I'm able to tell which it is in any particular situation is beside the point.

The reasons I listed are some examples, not an exhaustive list.

 

[celebroom]

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when we click on open we agree to fly in the same space the PvPers are flying in, and we know the rules support their gameplay more than they support coop.

Within the context of the game, it is a form of bullying. Someone who pops someone's ship for no apparent reason, is a bully. A pirate is a bully: "give me your cargo or else". The definition of bully is "a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker". It's perfectly allowed within ED because space is a dangerous place. And popping someone for no reason is within the "rules" - since you seem to focus a lot on rules. This is why I said what I said to the OP. Perhaps I hit a chord with you, but you do seem to be taking the usage of the word "bully" a bit personally...

My take is that you defend yourself, or stick to outskirts of space where muppets cant find you. Either way its a choice. The more extreme choice (imho) is to go Solo Mode, but that's why its there. So people can PvE and not have to stress about all the dangerous people in the galaxy.

 

[Endziel]

You click "solo play".

 

[Remiel]

I've not noticed any NPCs attacking for no reason (well, some, but other threads suggest that it's either a bug or perhaps a faction thing if I'd bothered to check). People attacking "just because they can" don't have any good reason and are almost certainly obnoxious little ****s who start whinging when it's pointed out to them (and give negative rep for it I see). I've not one ounce of respect for anyone out to upset or spoil other people - that's not remotely within the spirit of the game. Doing it for their own gain, e.g. piracy, is entirely within the spirit so should be encouraged. Whether or not I'm able to tell which it is in any particular situation is beside the point.

The reasons I listed are some examples, not an exhaustive list.

See, this is the problem with your types. Lacking any apparent reason that you can make out, you assume the player is attacking for the sole purpose of ruining your day. It's easy to lash out and make assumptions about your assailant, it's easy to hate them and it's easy to feign disrespect and call them names, but what you're gonna have to realise is that the people doing it aren't really looking for your respect, don't consider you qualified enough to judge their psychological state, and really do just enjoy your tears. Whine about it all you want on the forums, but until you start shooting back, you're not solving anything.

This may not be an explicitly PVP game, but it does have PVP, and another player attacking you for no reason apparent to you is perfectly acceptable and wholly within the spirit of the game. If it wasn't, Frontier would not simply code the game so as to have our weapons simply not fire when pointed at another player. Other methods are available as well - in the event of a player attacking another player, the attacker can be automatically disconnected or re-instanced. The fact that none of those things, amongst other solutions, are part of the mechanics means it can be done, and if it can be done, it will be done.

 

[ReaperAlex]

Yip. Thats what Im saying though, form up, change tactics and grind them into the dust. An organised lynchmob is unstoppable. Trying to stop antisocial behavior by calling for game mechanics to be changed (other than solo mode and group) artificially limits the freedom we have. Concorde works (to a point) in Eve, but even with Concorde you can get ganked no problem. I rage quit when losing a months worth of work and isk. I wasnt paying attention, but hey. Concorde didnt help me there

it's not just concord, it's the entire crime and punishment system that makes empire space mostly safe. sure there are suicide gankers, scammers, can flippers and all sorts of other nasty things, but generally a newbie can fly about empire space and feel safe. not so in elite.

did you ever hear about the group that used remote repping to tank concord? imagine if they never fixed that, if any player could set up to tank concord and just kill at will in safe space. now imagine if after an evening of ganking innocents while concord chewed on your solid tank you could just pay a fine and wipe your slate clean. if those were the rules in eve then empire space would not be safe in any way. it would be just as dangerous as low sec.

welcome to the ruleset of elite, it's less safe than lowsec is in eve.

as for those who live in lowsec and null sec, they are not bullies either. that is their space to fight in and anyone foolish enough to wander in there should expect to be shot at. especially that AFK indy that's flying the 15KM to the gate. that's how i view elite, all 400 billion stars are like low sec, ok, maybe the anarchy ones are more like null sec.

but there is no security in space beyond the reach of the space stations guns. and given that you think the players running around in such a lax system are bullies? i say this game is built for PvP even more so than eve is as the only way to avoid PvP is to play in solo mode. that's a sure sign of a PvP game, online is pvp, off line is solo. a lot like CoD and BF in that regard...