Takes the Noob sticker off his forehead. Wow, do I feel stupid. I thought that was the shielding characteristic. I learn something new about this game every day.
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How much hacking is there?
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Takes the Noob sticker off his forehead. Wow, do I feel stupid. I thought that was the shielding characteristic. I learn something new about this game every day.
(Heads to station to change armor )
No idea how much there is or isn't, but FD should consider doing what Daybreak Games (formerly SOE) did in response to those caught.
Enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OimzDPqDiA
Jiminy Crickets that's funny. Nothing like a good public humiliation doused in comedy. Dude in the horned helmet was priceless at the end there.
My guess would be 'quite a few'. I'd expect most of them to stay on Solo, kind of declaring moral high ground with the offline mode pulled back, and them buying a software to play around with. Then there is the usual bunch of cheaters that use what others have discovered to have their powertrip while it lasts. Kids whose parents still pay their toys, bored players, people who lost it all due to another player and being stupid enough to run uninsured. People like that.
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Of those, it's the tip of iceberg that are noted on forums, most reports indeed being false positives. But for every actual report, plenty more go under the radar.
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Problem with the chosen netcode remains though, with client to client connections, making reliable security is next to impossible. There are ways to try and hunt the hackers, but hard to come up with solutions that woyld actually prevent hacking.
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Personally, I'm on duty at patrolling space around Lave, trying to challenge other CMDR into fights. So far not seen any cheating, just a bunch of really good pilots there. But if I fight 5-10 CMDR in an evening, it isn't big enough sample of what's going on. If I happen to run into a hacker, it would most likely mean there are lot more around.
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And like I started, I remind in the end: This is my estimation, nothing more. No facts, other than haven't met any.
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Of those, it's the tip of iceberg that are noted on forums, most reports indeed being false positives. But for every actual report, plenty more go under the radar.
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Problem with the chosen netcode remains though, with client to client connections, making reliable security is next to impossible. There are ways to try and hunt the hackers, but hard to come up with solutions that woyld actually prevent hacking.
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Personally, I'm on duty at patrolling space around Lave, trying to challenge other CMDR into fights. So far not seen any cheating, just a bunch of really good pilots there. But if I fight 5-10 CMDR in an evening, it isn't big enough sample of what's going on. If I happen to run into a hacker, it would most likely mean there are lot more around.
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And like I started, I remind in the end: This is my estimation, nothing more. No facts, other than haven't met any.
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The populated space is huge.
Chances to run into a hacker are quite low when you don't stick to certain overpopulated systems.
Remember the threads with videos attached where people inside stations, were bullying CMDRs with missiles?
So just because none of you encountered one personnall, doesn't mean everyone else is exagerrating.
Fact is, those hacks are there.
They are easily accessible. (and with the right effort they are easily detectable as well)
There is even a step-to-step guide, for total newbies how to do it.
The regarding hack-thread has so far over 65.000 klicks and over 1000 replies and is evolving quickly.
Of course there is no way to tell how many people are using it from those numbers, but the accessability is very high, therefore the potential is huge.
As far as i can see, there has been only 1 player so far, that cannot connect to Open anymore.
But since there has been no official word on this, other than "We are looking into the issue.", we can't take it for granted, that those hacking players will be sent to exile.
Which is in my opinion not a real punishment, they should be banned completely.
Just adding my tuppence , twice today , first time i admit , i have come across players that no matter how much they were shot , remained on full shields , this was in cqc . i know the game dynamics , i know what lag looks like , these were hacks . both reported and looking for more , shields are great but they do not win you games . I just killed faster than they could and then reported .
One of the guys had 3 players including me on a weapon boost on them , they killed the first two , then moved to me , i out maneuvered them keeping fire on them and used up two chaffs . All that fire and they were on full shields . Oddly enough m never saw either of them since .
One of the guys had 3 players including me on a weapon boost on them , they killed the first two , then moved to me , i out maneuvered them keeping fire on them and used up two chaffs . All that fire and they were on full shields . Oddly enough m never saw either of them since .
Personality of a "hacker"
You have to look a little deeper into the why of hacking, and it's prevalence.
Hacking is abundant in most on-line FPS games, even with the most robust systems that try to detect it. That being said, it's the "FPS" that is the crux of the issue here, ED is not an FPS, and even if you want to kill/grief other players and "win", it's damned hard to find them, and even if you do, the skilled ones can just run away.
You can hack for credits, but again, look at the personality type and ask why would they bother? Sure you get the cool ships easier, but that's not "winning" in an emotional sense, it's just short-cutting the playtime, with exactly the same end result.
Also, unlike Rust and others, there's nothing in ED that you can do to visibly and permanently demonstrate your God-like "powers", like a build a massive structure, or permanently destroy something in-game, ergo there's no way to "prove" your power and dominance, and again, no emotional gain.
Hackers certainly exist in ED, but the very essence of the game will limit their exposure dramatically as they quickly realize that with hacking, the game is basically boring and pointless, and more importantly, has no consistent emotional "payout" that easily dominating other players has.
The only persistent "damage" that a hacker might be able to do is get credit for "first discovered" systems where ludicrous jump ranges were used, but hopefully FD can easily detect this and erase any "discoveries" awarded by such cheating.
You have to look a little deeper into the why of hacking, and it's prevalence.
Hacking is abundant in most on-line FPS games, even with the most robust systems that try to detect it. That being said, it's the "FPS" that is the crux of the issue here, ED is not an FPS, and even if you want to kill/grief other players and "win", it's damned hard to find them, and even if you do, the skilled ones can just run away.
You can hack for credits, but again, look at the personality type and ask why would they bother? Sure you get the cool ships easier, but that's not "winning" in an emotional sense, it's just short-cutting the playtime, with exactly the same end result.
Also, unlike Rust and others, there's nothing in ED that you can do to visibly and permanently demonstrate your God-like "powers", like a build a massive structure, or permanently destroy something in-game, ergo there's no way to "prove" your power and dominance, and again, no emotional gain.
Hackers certainly exist in ED, but the very essence of the game will limit their exposure dramatically as they quickly realize that with hacking, the game is basically boring and pointless, and more importantly, has no consistent emotional "payout" that easily dominating other players has.
The only persistent "damage" that a hacker might be able to do is get credit for "first discovered" systems where ludicrous jump ranges were used, but hopefully FD can easily detect this and erase any "discoveries" awarded by such cheating.
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"A Sidewinder attacked my Cobra- shot back and he stayed at 100% all the time. Happened two times already. Only way is to escape or go offline. Hackers everywhere"
Yes, because someone who hacked the servers would totally buff their sidewinder, rather than giving themselves a 'Conder and nicking everyone's passwords. /rolleyes.
I seriously doubt the servers are hacked in the way you described. More likely you missed or they had shields.
Yes, because someone who hacked the servers would totally buff their sidewinder, rather than giving themselves a 'Conder and nicking everyone's passwords. /rolleyes.
I seriously doubt the servers are hacked in the way you described. More likely you missed or they had shields.
You only have to peruse certain places to see whats going on. I don't think its endemic, but theres a tiny fraction out there. Ripping themselves off out of the money they paid for the game in order to make that game worse for themselves. But I do get amused by their foolishness. Its like cheating at patience.
Besides FD are no fools and know how to use google to confirm id's. Stupidity runs deep.
Besides FD are no fools and know how to use google to confirm id's. Stupidity runs deep.
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This is quite an old thread - Though I would say you often here tails of cheating/hacking whereas some have demonstrated well that they know how to use - I wouldn't say exploit - but perhaps poorly balanced items SCB was one of those that it became a default tactic and initial had a "feel" of a hack (interesting isn't it after all the boohoo posts regarding the changes at Horizons this complaint has now disappeared)
My own view is the game design is actually quite strong the game is played on your machine, when you Jump exit super cruise use the station facilities the server is accessed and checked you cant buy stuff without going via the server so the server always knows the current state of your ship. I did read very early on that some hacks were possible but only on your machine so you could give your self super shields, problem was as soon as you went to the server bang it all disappeared again so no gain and so hacking dies very quickly
Personally think that hacking is very minimal, there as sometimes small "bugs" that allow money making opportunities but the devs usually get these closed or rebalanced fairly quickly
My own view is the game design is actually quite strong the game is played on your machine, when you Jump exit super cruise use the station facilities the server is accessed and checked you cant buy stuff without going via the server so the server always knows the current state of your ship. I did read very early on that some hacks were possible but only on your machine so you could give your self super shields, problem was as soon as you went to the server bang it all disappeared again so no gain and so hacking dies very quickly
Personally think that hacking is very minimal, there as sometimes small "bugs" that allow money making opportunities but the devs usually get these closed or rebalanced fairly quickly
I think if people knew what some were up to, theyd not only be surprised but angry. Theyd blame FD for some reason, however its not FD's fault. You cannot blame FD for someone elses lack of personal integrity. But they implicitly allow it due to weakness's in the game code, theyd cry. No, the blame is with the cheats as they exploit the weakness rather than report it. But I reported it and its still there, they retort. Yes but why do you exploit it for your own gain when you know its illicit and wrong? But, but, but...
In my view someone who cheats in a game is no better than a common thief. What does it say about you if you cheat at a game? Its says you are dishonest and untrustworthy. The cheats will laugh as a front, but underneath it all, they are broken individuals.
btw its much much more than money making small bugs. However I do believe its a tiny, tiny minority. The overwhelming vast majority of players are good people. Playing the game legally within its bounds.
Oh and BB refreshing is legal as per the Devs comments.
In my view someone who cheats in a game is no better than a common thief. What does it say about you if you cheat at a game? Its says you are dishonest and untrustworthy. The cheats will laugh as a front, but underneath it all, they are broken individuals.
btw its much much more than money making small bugs. However I do believe its a tiny, tiny minority. The overwhelming vast majority of players are good people. Playing the game legally within its bounds.
Oh and BB refreshing is legal as per the Devs comments.
P2P Networking = Hacks. Simple.
It's stupidly easy to do but only stupid people do it.
It's stupidly easy to do but only stupid people do it.
Been recently playing with a friend and just looking at the screen you'd think strange things are occurring.
Whilst in a RES he attacked a wanted NPC and from where I was sitting it looked like he didn't land a single shot, his beams didn't appear to touch the NPC who still showed 3 solid shield rings. Then the NPC magically explodes.
When I asked my friend he said the fight was totally normal from his perspective, his beams were hitting and the NPCs shield dropped followed by his hull. So I think packet loss, lag and some networking issues can mean things appear to be weird, magical or a hack when in fact its just networking issues.
Whilst in a RES he attacked a wanted NPC and from where I was sitting it looked like he didn't land a single shot, his beams didn't appear to touch the NPC who still showed 3 solid shield rings. Then the NPC magically explodes.
When I asked my friend he said the fight was totally normal from his perspective, his beams were hitting and the NPCs shield dropped followed by his hull. So I think packet loss, lag and some networking issues can mean things appear to be weird, magical or a hack when in fact its just networking issues.
Just as an aside, I noticed this:
And I can't help but wonder if in our case that might be something to do with this:
Let me just quote the very first line from the OP:
This OP was perfectly polite, consciously acknowledged that the question may be 'noob-ish', and still copped the above. And then of course there was this old stalwart thrown in:
'Google Is Your Friend'? Really? That's basically a non-post. It's just saying nothing at all, but using a few more words.
It's hardly surprising that more players don't spend time on the forums if this is the attitude they're going to deal with just for asking a question others don't approve of. And to be honest, I'm well aware this is a fairly minor example - but it stood out to me because of the sheer, objective inoffensiveness of the OP.
"More creative, interesting and constructive posts", demands one. Well, how about first applying the standards we expect to the replies we give people? Perhaps by making the forums more positive, we'd attract more people to use them?
And I can't help but wonder if in our case that might be something to do with this:
Let me just quote the very first line from the OP:
This OP was perfectly polite, consciously acknowledged that the question may be 'noob-ish', and still copped the above. And then of course there was this old stalwart thrown in:
'Google Is Your Friend'? Really? That's basically a non-post. It's just saying nothing at all, but using a few more words.
It's hardly surprising that more players don't spend time on the forums if this is the attitude they're going to deal with just for asking a question others don't approve of. And to be honest, I'm well aware this is a fairly minor example - but it stood out to me because of the sheer, objective inoffensiveness of the OP.
"More creative, interesting and constructive posts", demands one. Well, how about first applying the standards we expect to the replies we give people? Perhaps by making the forums more positive, we'd attract more people to use them?
A button had stopped working on my hotas tonight so I stopped just to the right outside the station enterance, I unscrewed the throttle, & while fixing it, some dude in a corvette appeared, started shooting me, I'm in a corvette too and I was just to the right side of the entrance.
The station started shooting him, I turned around to see his ship and his shields stayed at one ring. Thought it was a bit funny, the button that broke on my hotas was secondary fire for the PA's so I just turned on auto dock before my shields went down. I could here him being shot at for a few more minutes, again I took off, just outside the entrance, and he was flying in a circle around the outside, shooting the police ships with the station blazing away.
I'm pretty sure the station owns you quite quickly, found that out once at a military outpost when scanned with dodgy goods just before touching down.
Only got the last bit on video, not seen that before. I can't post the vid here obviously as his CMDR names on it, should I send it to FD support?
Anyone else seen this, it must be a shield hack of some sort.
The station started shooting him, I turned around to see his ship and his shields stayed at one ring. Thought it was a bit funny, the button that broke on my hotas was secondary fire for the PA's so I just turned on auto dock before my shields went down. I could here him being shot at for a few more minutes, again I took off, just outside the entrance, and he was flying in a circle around the outside, shooting the police ships with the station blazing away.
I'm pretty sure the station owns you quite quickly, found that out once at a military outpost when scanned with dodgy goods just before touching down.
Only got the last bit on video, not seen that before. I can't post the vid here obviously as his CMDR names on it, should I send it to FD support?
Anyone else seen this, it must be a shield hack of some sort.
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Sole Hunter
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way to necro a thread from last year guys lol...but uh yeah players who have 10 hours of gameplay already flying a corvette with Elite ranking in combat, 100% legit.
game is filled with exploiters & hackers.
game is filled with exploiters & hackers.
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In my entire time playing CQC I have at seen a total of one completely obvious hack where the guy had his shields at 1 ring all the time regardless of how much we shot at it. My friend and I fired beams on him for a good solid minute while he just flew around like nothing happened. Then we just ignored him and finished the game. Even with cheating he was complete garbage and ended at the bottom.
I am prestige 8 and 26% towards elite at the last rank, I think that you are simply crap at CQC and decided that if someone is better they must be hacking. There are some lag situations that make it appear like they can't be hurt, but usually that person will drop soon after, they are simple to spot as they don't change direction.
So no hacking is NOT rampant in CQC.
Yes, there are hackers, just check out this vid, recorded by Majinvash but I had the pleasure of fighting this fella too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bglui-dwbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bglui-dwbs
InMemoriamSirocco
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I cannot say whether these kinds of occurrences are down to hacks or glitches or lag, but I encountered them so often that open play pvp is all but dead to me. It didn't ever appear that the outcome of a pvp encounter was actually based on skill. If I hit my target repeatedly on the hull with large pulse lasers, I expect to see some percentage go down. If that doesn't happen, there is no reason to continue fighting. Never mind that one time my opponent was in my instance, but invisible to me, so he could see and attack me, but I could neither see his ship on the scanner, nor with Eyeball MK I, nor could I see his engine trails or laser fire. I could only see his shots impact on my shield and hull. It wasn't silent running.
It was desynchronized instancing. I was completely helpless.
No pvp for me.
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