There is a very simple way to vastly improve the AspS.
Sell it and buy an AspX instead.
How to improve the Asp S
- Thread starter Snarfbuckle
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The scout versions of the asp and db families are cheaper and somewhat less capable ships than their exploration brothers. has been since day one. The asp isn't quite a separate variant like the cobra or viper mk ivs. It is simply another ship entirely. I have always considered the asp s to be a cobra mk III with longer jump range and lower speed. I don't find that the comparison to the asp x to be all that great. Do consider how much more the asp x costs compared to the scout version.
Oh God, no! Do NOT get me started on Volume vs. Mass vs. Power requirements....
Must.... Resist....
The Anaconda is the size of an aircraft carrier but only weighs the same as a luxury yacht.
The Aanconda's thrusters only provide the same power as a 747 yet can lift it into space in minutes...
The Anaconda is only slightly denser than the Hindenburg!
Argh....
MegaWatts per second isn't even a real unit... Well it is, but it's not a unit of power, it's a unit of rate of increase in power... Grrr...
The Anaconda's power plant is less than 4 times more powerful than the Sidewinder's.... yet can power thrusters 10's of times more powerful.
For God's sake, somebody sto....
//THWACK//
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Discussing this game using physics as a basis leads only to madness and despair..
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welcome to science fiction??
That makes sense. That said there'll be salt aplenty when Fdev decide to balance ships by removing internal slots or simply downgrading them.
"You s*** on ma build. Literally unplayable, this game." and the sort.
This thread is quite old, and from when 1.5 was in beta and the last of the current ships were in beta as well: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=200985
FWIW, I don't think removing or downgrading slots is necessarily the best avenue to balancing multirole ships against their more niche counterparts. IMO the best avenue is splitting a single class two compartment into two class ones, and combining a couple of the other modules to make for different sizes. For example, a ship that would probably need hardly any adjustments to it other than splitting the class 2 internal is the DBX (of which had a thread started on it not too long ago): class 4, class 4, class 3, class 3, class 1, class 1. So that means that you can run shields, fuel scoop, AFMU, SRV (which arguably isn't an essential for exploring), DSS, and ADS. For an Asp Explorer something like this: class 6, class 6, class 4, class 4, class 2, class 1, class 1. So on an Asp really not much would change in most load outs (maybe running less AFMU's in exchange for a larger AFMU) but you could still run a shield, fuel scoop, SRV (again arguably not really essential to exploring, but more of a luxury), AFMU, a free slot for cargo racks (why?) or another AFMU (more likely), DSS, and ADS. It would also mean that the class 1 slots are pretty much useless for anything but scanners.
That's just off the top of my head, and I could probably come up with a couple of other arrangements that besides having to manager power (which you'd have to do anyways) would force you to make a choice on internal arranegment. However, then you pretty much negate the reason for progressing past the DBX which is the primary reason that I think the DBX is gimped like it is. Well, that and if the DBX weighed less it would out jump an Asp even if both were fully kitted out and the DBX would cost about half as much as the Asp Explorer using the module slots to their full potential.
Really, I could probably go on for awhile about this whole topic but I think I'm going to stop there.
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This ^
Its funny as the ships I still spend most of my time in are ships that are available since 1.0...
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But what does that mean? Pretty sure many only fly ships that came afterwards. Pretty sure many like the FdL, DBS, FAS, Corvette, Cutter etc etc. I'd pick the Asp Scout over the AspX, but thats because I rate ships on their FM first, PD/HP relation second and hardpoint placement third. The Asp Scout is with a DD mod faster than an A-rated Viper mk3, about as agile as an A-rated Eagle, has vastly superior DPS than anything below the Vulture, great canopy sight, its just really a very fancy ship. A slightly better jumprange and more internals is fun for the AspX, but cant compensate for what it lacks.
But thats me, others have different needs when it comes to ships. Seems fine to me.
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It's simple, it means that the ships I spend more time with are still ships from 1.0. You're overthinking it.
Even though I ocasionally fly ships like the courier for a canyon run, or the cutter for a few CG drops, I still, after 2 years, spend the vast majority of time in my Cobra III, my AspX, and my Imperial Clipper. Occasionally I also hop into a T6 for passengers, and a Python for mining. Which are, incidentally, also ships from 1.0.
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Oh shucks. And here I was typing out the first seven pages of my rebuttal against your "all original ships are objectively better than the latter ones, and if you disagreey you are an Ooglenorbler." statement I was hoping for. Ah well, maybe some other time.
Oh shucks. And here I was typing out the first seven pages of my rebuttal against your "all original ships are objectively better than the latter ones, and if you disagreey you are an Ooglenorbler." statement I was hoping for. Ah well, maybe some other time.
Many of the new ships have their merits, others I didn't like them at all. But mainly, I just didn't fell in love with any of the new ships, like I have with my Cobra III and my Clipper. The AspX is more like a mistress...
Well if you ask me I'd just give it more internals. Make it the smuggling competitor to the Cobra MKIII. It even looks Millennium Falcon-y. It's got the Asp size to warrant it. And it's Lakon, which is kinda their thing. It probably needs just one more slot to nudge it just enough without changing it too much into a multirole or true freighter.
And yet when fully engineered the roles reverse, since the DBX has better shields, a large hardpoint and even though the agility gap increases, the DBX reaches levels where it can finally get to point its guns towards what it wants, thus establishing its dominance.
After some effort, the DBX can fights the Big 3 with some comfort. The DBS will always suffer the discomfort of having small/medium guns.
TL;DR: I love both ships, medium guns need some love.
What's weird about the Scout is that it's MASSIVE but doesn't appear to do anything with the space. Compare its size and capability to a Cobra and you can only conclude that it's basically all empty space and ballast. Also if it's a combat ship it needs a much smaller canopy as that thing is stupidly vulnerable.
A reduction in base hull mas and size 1 slot extra would completely redeem this ship imo
You gave me flashbacks to MWO. @____.
Who cares about that. You can go all rails, prismatic with an SCB and still be able to A-rate the life support.
That's what keeps me from using this ship.It's OK on paper but has a massive hitbox and it's hard to see where all the volume goes. I think simply making the ship physically smaller would fix most of its problems.
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A scout, scouts. Explorers, explore. Scouts look ahead for what's going on, so yeah, it's gonna jump less than the Explorer, which is used to go "Where no one has gone before"