How to stop the cheats?

[MegatronsFinger]

Sure, I agree clogging is disrespectful and cheating, but getting salty gives "the win" to the clogger. Megatron needs to learn to laugh it off.

Salty? I’m asking for a solution to the problem. I gave a true account of what happens despite the abuse that I knew that I would receive.
It’s an issue that needs to be addressed and a ‘fix’ needs to be found.
If that makes me salty for wanting to try and help make this game better, then do be it.

 

[hypervoodoo77]

What really baffles me is guys buying this game thinking that it is some sort of pvp combat game like warframe or world of tanks when it simply is not about that.
The multiplayer is much more suited and developed for co op experience just look at the thargoids much easier in a wing.
I have nothing against pvp but when I feel like it I play world of tanks or warframe on xbox.
I mean really this game is mostly described as space sim or space trader how do you get pvp from that.

Just saying

 

[hypervoodoo77]

((Also there is a ‘I don’t want to play with others’ option, it’s called pg or solo. I’ve also stated why I do what I do and don’t need to go back over previous messages.))end quote.

What if playing with others means something different than combat though?

 

[bendover]

He left the Battle While you where still in the field,He retreted so you win, Running away is an admission that you have been defeated

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

((Also there is a ‘I don’t want to play with others’ option, it’s called pg or solo. I’ve also stated why I do what I do and don’t need to go back over previous messages.))end quote.

What if playing with others means something different than combat though?

Mobious (why a player had to privately provide this option himself is another topic).
Private group of your own.

Or you take your chances. Those are literally your options.

 

[hypervoodoo77]

Mobious (why a player had to privately provide this option himself is another topic).
Private group of your own.

Or you take your chances. Those are literally your options.

However developer has stated often they like co op gameplay that really is what open is for.
There is CQC and Powerplay for pvp just hanging outside a station harassing people is B.S.

 

[MegatronsFinger]

He left the Battle While you where still in the field,He retreted so you win, Running away is an admission that you have been defeated

No! He logged! That’s not running away, that’s cheating! If he had of high waked, fine! No problem at all with that.

@hypervoodoo mostly described as space trader? Where did you get that? I does say explore, trade or combat. So basically anything that pleases you. That encompasses all three aspects of game play.
As I’ve said previously, I do most things ON MY OWN!! If someone needs help with anything in game I’ll help. That’s about the only time I go around in a wing.

But like I said, keep it on subject of how best to stop cheats.

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

However developer has stated often they like co op gameplay that really is what open is for.
There is CQC and Powerplay for pvp just hanging outside a station harassing people is

The fact that you can shoot stuff in power play and CQC doesn’t invalidate combat in any other context (besides that defined by Frontier).

It doesn’t prevent co-operative game play either.

Personally I find Megatron’s playstyle childish and irritating (no offense ) but I respect his right to it and certainly wouldn’t break the rules to avoid it. We’ve crossed swords once or twice before in fact at Ho Hsi.

It’s about time those that do break the rules start to suffer consequences for it. Then maybe they’ll be driven to find another mode or even game that suits what they want and don’t want from the game better and a week might go by without this kind of thread.

Man, that would be nice.

 

[hypervoodoo77]

No! He logged! That’s not running away, that’s cheating! If he had of high waked, fine! No problem at all with that.

@hypervoodoo mostly described as space trader? Where did you get that? I does say explore, trade or combat. So basically anything that pleases you. That encompasses all three aspects of game play.
As I’ve said previously, I do most things ON MY OWN!! If someone needs help with anything in game I’ll help. That’s about the only time I go around in a wing.

But like I said, keep it on subject of how best to stop cheats.

This game is the reiteration of the 1984 space trading game elite that is why.

 

[hypervoodoo77]

The fact that you can shoot stuff in power play and CQC doesn’t invalidate combat in any other context (besides that defined by Frontier).

It doesn’t prevent co-operative game play either.

Personally I find Megatron’s playstyle childish and irritating (no offense ) but I respect his right to it and certainly wouldn’t break the rules to avoid it. We’ve crossed swords once or twice before in fact at Ho Hsi.

It’s about time those that do break the rules start to suffer consequences for it. Then maybe they’ll be driven to find another mode or even game that suits what they want and don’t want from the game better and a week might go by without this kind of thread.

Man, that would be nice.

Also FDev have stated in the past that logging out via options screen with 15 sec delay is not viewed as cheating this has been discussed in the forums in the past.

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

Maybe if you all want to actually consider first not saying people are cheating.
Maybe if you all want to stop telling people how they should have to PvP
maybe if you all want to stop camping looking for people without bounties to hunt


Thats a good place to start.
Anyone using what the game provides, like save and exit, it’s problably the best approach not to complain as well as not to say they are cheating especially if you are playing outside of the scripted gameplay found in missions, CGs, and Power Play.

The OP shared an email from support which literally says Save and Exit is not cheating and is not an exploit. While they expressed their opinion to support why it should be cheating the response says it’s not and often based on player interpretation. That’s got to be built into the logic of this discussion.

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

Also FDev have stated in the past that logging out via options screen with 15 sec delay is not viewed as cheating this has been discussed in the forums in the past.

100% agreed.

While I think the timer should be increased, I have no problem with menu-logging. Let me be clear on that.

If you read the OP, this isn't what happened here.

 

[hypervoodoo77]

The fact that you can shoot stuff in power play and CQC doesn’t invalidate combat in any other context (besides that defined by Frontier).

It doesn’t prevent co-operative game play either.

Personally I find Megatron’s playstyle childish and irritating (no offense ) but I respect his right to it and certainly wouldn’t break the rules to avoid it. We’ve crossed swords once or twice before in fact at Ho Hsi.

It’s about time those that do break the rules start to suffer consequences for it. Then maybe they’ll be driven to find another mode or even game that suits what they want and don’t want from the game better and a week might go by without this kind of thread.

Man, that would be nice.

But what is the problem though I don't get it with Powerplay and CQC there are pvp options staring in your face.
I just guess it's not about pvp but about forcing your game on others which is rediculous in itself

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

But what is the problem though I don't get it with Powerplay and CQC there are pvp options staring in your face.
I just guess it's not about pvp but about forcing your game on others which is rediculous in itself

I don’t disagree! I said that I don’t approve of how the OP plays. It’s anti-social, self-gratifying nonesense that’s under-punished and damaging the game.

But, and this is important, he’s not breaking any rules and he’s well within his rights to be angry that others are.

 

[BLAZIN TAC0]

I think what happened in the original post is the guy just closed the game entirely rather than quit via the menu. Nothing that can be done to stop that, but it definitely ought to be punishable. Especially if it'll spawn someone back in the game minus any damage they've received. Which, I think, can be swept under the mat as a kind of cheat, especially if it can be done so easily, and can reliably undo any damage you've taken.

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

100% agreed.

While I think the timer should be increased, I have no problem with menu-logging. Let me be clear on that.

If you read the OP, this isn't what happened here.

Are you sure thats not what happened?
The email seems to clarify they think they did something else but it was never confirmed that the player didn’t use Save and Exit.

The context of the email really learns toward interpretation but Save and Exit isn’t cheating so maybe this whole discussion is from a wrong assumption. Also....while it’s by the fdevs design, their game is also subject to comply with the Xbox one which allows QUIT for all game apps.

So IF that is what’s being argued as cheating, maybe the discussion is completely pointless. What I mean is we know Xbox isn’t going to change that and if the Fdev server is designed in a way that using QUIT prevents being destroyed, it’s literally in the design of their game.

At some point you all have to look at the logic here. I’ve been saying it now for pages and pages.
The devs are intentionally not setting rules and now they seem to want to establish crime and punishment but haven’t shared and aren’t willing to comment on changing Save and Exit or QUIT.

Folks there are grinders in OPEN and while that opinion seems to differ there needs to be functions built in for players to avoid the full impact of griefers. It’s a balance issue too not just your PvP world desires.

Are you beating a dead horse?
or
Should the discussion go by way of the Crime and Punishment update instead of hoping to make the developers change something that is designed in the way they intended it to work. See while you all are spending time arguing about PvP let me share this perspective.....What if this design also impacts those who play Solo only and those who save and exit to avoid being destroyed in an intended option as long as you make the countdown.

What if QUIT has more to do with their server and Xbox live and not something they can simply change or that they want to change. They do talk about giving all players the options to enjoy the game in three different modes and maybe that commitment isn’t going to change.

Just some points of view to include in the topic of discussion.

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

Are you sure thats not what happened?
The email seems to clarify they think they did something else but it was never confirmed that the player didn’t use Save and Exit.

The context of the email really learns toward interpretation but Save and Exit isn’t cheating so maybe this whole discussion is from a wrong assumption. Also....while it’s not by the fdevs design, their game is subject to comply with the Xbox one which allows QUIT for all game apps.

So IF that is what’s being argued as cheating, maybe the discussion is completely pointless. What I mean is we know Xbox isn’t going to change that and if the Fdev server is designed in a way that using QUIT prevents being destroyed, it’s literally in the design of their game.

At some point you all have to look at the logic here. I’ve been saying it now for pages and pages.
The devs are intentionally not setting rules and now they seem to want to establish crime and punishment but haven’t shared and aren’t willing to comment on changing Save and Exit or QUIT.

Are you beating a dead horse?
or
Should the discussion go by way of the Crime and Punishment update instead of hoping to make the developers change something that is designed in the way they intended it to work. See while you all are spending time arguing about PvP let me share this perspective.....What if this design also impacts those who play Solo only and those who save and exit to avoid being destroyed in an intended option as long as you make the countdown.

What if QUIT has more to do with their server and not something they can simply change or that they want to change. They do talk about giving all players the options to enjoy the game in three different modes and maybe that commitment isn’t going to change.

Just some points of view to include in the topic of discussion.

If he had save and exited, his ship would have been in the same condition when he returned as when he left. It wasn’t. It had full shields and armour again which he used to try to win the fight unfairly. This can only be done by ‘ungracefully’ disconnecting.

Surely there’s no point muddying the waters further with issues of crime and punishment when the case is above is so very clear-cut?

 

[MegatronsFinger]

Also FDev have stated in the past that logging out via options screen with 15 sec delay is not viewed as cheating this has been discussed in the forums in the past.

As much as it pains me to admit it, menu logging isn’t cheating. It’s still a scummy move though. What I’m on about is force quitting the game. This give you a full refund on hull, shield and ammo. This IS cheating as previously discussed.

What I’m looking for is a solution to the constant ‘force quitting’.

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

If he had save and exited, his ship would have been in the same condition when he returned as when he left. It wasn’t. It had full shields and armour again which he used to try to win the fight unfairly. This can only be done by ‘ungracefully’ disconnecting.

Surely there’s no point muddying the waters further with issues of crime and punishment when the case is above is so very clear-cut?

So why is it a problem at all. I’m going to agree that you’re correct, I honestly don’t know as I’ve never used QUIT to avoid dying. I always use Save and Exit but I don’t recall my shields not resetting but then again i PvP so rarely it doesn’t matter.

Just hoping to contribute to the topic. So let’s say they are using QUIT.

-Why have the developers designed their game to function in this way if it’s not intended?
lets get to the root of your concerns. It seems it’s designed this way

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

As much as it pains me to admit it, menu logging isn’t cheating. It’s still a scummy move though. What I’m on about is force quitting the game. This give you a full refund on hull, shield and ammo. This IS cheating as previously discussed.

What I’m looking for is a solution to the constant ‘force quitting’.

I don’t think you or anyone can come up with a solution to player behavior.
I really think Crime and Punishment ideas are your best avenue so that you and others possibly ask for credit on attacking with cause and effect, that seems how you can best achieve any satisfaction