HRP D rated vs E rated

[Conch]

why would one choose E rated HRPs?

i tested it now long ago, and build a new FAS, filled it up with E rated HRP, modded them all with heavyduty. just like i did with my other FAS but with D rated.

my main focus was increasing the weight, but the end result wasnt really satisfying.

D rated FAS = 4200 armor and weighs 987t(with size 2 AFMU)
E rated FAS = 3750 armor and weighs 1011t(with extra size 4 fuel)
ofcourse the RNG factor counts in here too, but the differance in armor is to big, while the increase in weight is too low.

so are there others even bothered by putting E rated HRPs on their ships?

 

[ForeverN00b]

Nope. The only reason to use an E rated module (other than shield boosters) is because they use the least amount of power and they are the cheapest. Since HRPs don't use power, I see zero reason to use an E rated HRP.

 

[Conch]

Well with my aim for more weight i was hoping for more..

E rated hrp are double the weight of D with 30armor points less.

 

[Conch]

Could it be the case that E rated hrp have a differant blueprint than D hrp? And thus gaining less weight that way?

 

[fennster]

Ignorant here<<

Why more weight?

 

[Conch]

Ignorant here<<

Why more weight?

Because i fly the federal battering ram

Weight + speed = ram damage.

 

[Herbrand]

Because i fly the federal battering ram

Weight + speed = ram damage.

Isn't only hull mass relevant for collision damage?

 

[Conch]

Isn't only hull mass relevant for collision damage?

not that i know.

ive tested it out on NPC annacondas.
with a boatload of HRP i bash away their shield and around half their hull.

without i have to ram them multiple times to get the shields to go down.

 

[goemon]

Isn't only hull mass relevant for collision damage?

nope. total mass or unladen mass afaik. ramming clipper uses prismatics for this.

Could it be the case that E rated hrp have a differant blueprint than D hrp? And thus gaining less weight that way?

your numbers sound strange. i'll check next time i'm at selene.

 

[RamirezKurita]

Because they are cheaper. Similar to how D-grade equipment in almost every other category is better performing and lighter at the cost of a modest weight increase compared to E-grade equipment.

 

[CMDR-AD]

Because they are cheaper. Similar to how D-grade equipment in almost every other category is better performing and lighter at the cost of a modest weight increase compared to E-grade equipment.

I have long wondered at how minimal the cost difference is between the two modules, if this is really supposed to be the primary decision for the player between the two.

There is a similar situation with the SRV hangers, the higher weight (12 tons for E vs. 6 tons for G) unit which has it's apparent sole advantage of being just a $2k credits cheaper? Well, there is also a minor power use variation, but near negligible in my builds.

But still this seems a missed opportunity for greater interest in loadout choices.

Why not have the heavier HRP units also provide some module protection as a benefit that offsets their weight?

Why not have the heavier HRP units provide more protection than the light-weight units, in general (right now, the reality is reversed)?

Why not have the the light-weight SRV hanger be incapable of repairing the SRV as a downside to saving 50% of the weight (lighter due to not having repair equipment inside)?

 

[RamirezKurita]

I have long wondered at how minimal the cost difference is between the two modules, if this is really supposed to be the primary decision for the player between the two.

There is a similar situation with the SRV hangers, the higher weight (12 tons for E vs. 6 tons for G) unit which has it's apparent sole advantage of being just a $2k credits cheaper? Well, there is also a minor power use variation, but near negligible in my builds.

But still this seems a missed opportunity for greater interest in loadout choices.

Why not have the heavier HRP units also provide some module protection as a benefit that offsets their weight?

Why not have the heavier HRP units provide more protection than the light-weight units, in general (right now, the reality is reversed)?

Why not have the the light-weight SRV hanger be incapable of repairing the SRV as a downside to saving 50% of the weight (lighter due to not having repair equipment inside)?

Well, that all goes down to the pseudo-linear nature of module grades. A>B>C>D>E, except with B being heavier and tougher and D being lighter. This means that if you want performance from a module, go A-grade, otherwise go D-grade to save weight.

This causes problems for HRPs as noted in this thread, as they only have E and D, so the D grade ones offer both top performance as well as having the D-grade weight reduction. It would have made much better balance sense to offer D and C-grade HRPs instead, so there's actually a tradeoff in there.

 

[CMDR-AD]

Well, that all goes down to the pseudo-linear nature of module grades. A>B>C>D>E, except with B being heavier and tougher and D being lighter. This means that if you want performance from a module, go A-grade, otherwise go D-grade to save weight.

This causes problems for HRPs as noted in this thread, as they only have E and D, so the D grade ones offer both top performance as well as having the D-grade weight reduction. It would have made much better balance sense to offer D and C-grade HRPs instead, so there's actually a tradeoff in there.

Or perhaps have them rated at D (low weight, low integrity/performance) and B (high weight, high integrity/performance).

But at present, they seem like their benefits/drawbacks are reversed. Rated E (high weight, low performance) is always a non-choice, so far as I can see. It has both drawbacks. While the D rated currently has both benefits (low weight, high performance).