I actually prefer the Viper over the Vulture
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Not fleeing, repositioning for another attack...
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Please surprise me. I'm an average pilot, and I'd love to see how your Viper eat my Vulture in a 1vs1 fight. Right now I'm out there exploring in my Asp, but please give me your CMDR name and we'll try this soon.
was I refering myself as a "VERY SKILLED VIPER PILOT"? think again, also if your eyeballs are calibrated... you will see my CMDR name is in my signature
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If the vulture is equally good at tracking its target as the viper is good at evading fire, I still put my money on the viper.
However, in most pve situations I prefer the vulture. You simply deal more damage and you don't need to perfom any kind of evasive maneuvers.
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Not fleeing, repositioning for another attack...
Too bad that in the meantime, a Vulture would have repositioned way first and let loose a good deal of class 3 weaponry shots in the poor thing
Really, the only advantage of the viper is its base speed. That's far from enough. But that shouldn't be surprising. There's a reason. While both are in the fighter category, a well fitted Viper costs around 3000000cr. A well fitted Vulture, 22000000cr.
I know you love your Viper, guys, and I really understand you. But reality does not cope well with romantism.
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Oops. Indeed. Noted. Those uncalibrated pre-alpha eyeballs may be good news for you then, later on
Well, if you are not such a pilot, how can you say that? You're speculating in the wildest way, aren't you?
Too bad that in the meantime, a Vulture would have repositioned way first and let loose a good deal of class 3 weaponry shots in the poor thing
Really, the only advantage of the viper is its base speed. That's far from enough. But that shouldn't be surprising. There's a reason. While both are in the fighter category, a well fitted Viper costs around 3000000cr. A well fitted Vulture, 22000000cr.
I know you love your Viper, guys, and I really understand you. But reality does not cope well with romantism.
It's not romantism. The viper's speed isn't its only advantage:
-Smaller hitbox: the viper is a lot harder to hit, and it's actually more agile than the vulture even if the stats say otherwise. It doesn't matter that you can deal 2x more damage if you only hit your target half of the time.
-Better shield cells: A viper can have 2 class 3 shield cell banks, and the vulture can have one class 4 and one class 2. Now let's do the maths: 2x 3a scb= 1104 mj 1x4a scb+1x2a scb=1083 mj. So yup, the viper can actually tank more damage in a 1v1 than the vulture.
-More optimal loadouts: while the vulture will always deal more damage, the viper still can close the gap by using weapons that are simply not avalaible in class 3 (missiles, railguns, mutli-cannons).
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Nonya
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And then someone shows up with a loaded FDL and ruins it all for everyone.
The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.
The Viper will kick the FDL's ass after it is done with the Vulture.
Remember the the FDL is even bigger and slower then the Vulture, it wouldn't stand a chance..
The Viper will lose since it cannot out turn a Vulture. The hitbox size difference doesn't matter much to gimballed weapons in close range. All the Vulture needs to do is fly in reverse, and the Viper isn't going anywhere. Sure you can talk smack about outfitting some daft combination of weapons, but the reality is that a pair of gimballed pulse lasers will wreck anything the Viper cares to equip.
I agree with this.
Doing sharp turns in Viper actually requires more skill and knowledge because it's maneuverability is lower and speed is higher.
It is kinda the difference between driving a Supra vs driving a WRX - WRX actually needs less skill to stick turns because 4wd makes turning easy. Supra actually needs some skill to turn because it is rear-wheel drive and you need to know how to manipulate breaking and powering into and out of turns.
The viper is a fantastic medium fighter. To be compared to a ship with significantly better mobility, over double the shields, and over double the firepower.... no. The Vulture is way out of the Viper's league in every way except for speed in a straight line. Skill is not something thay needs to be brought up to compare ships... it's a metric that is different for everyone. While I agree an Elite viper can kill a Competent vulture, it doesn't necessarily mean its a better ship. When I am killing novice Anacondas it's not like I think that the Anaconda sucks...
If a Viper pilot and a Vulture pilot 1v1'd the winner would be the one with more fixed weapons. If the Viper was all fixed vs an all gimballed Vulture, the Vulture would probably try to run away. But if tables were flipped where the Vulture is all fixed, I would feel like the Viper may not survive fleeing while the shields on the Vulture would.
If a Viper pilot and a Vulture pilot 1v1'd the winner would be the one with more fixed weapons. If the Viper was all fixed vs an all gimballed Vulture, the Vulture would probably try to run away. But if tables were flipped where the Vulture is all fixed, I would feel like the Viper may not survive fleeing while the shields on the Vulture would.
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Oh please. Gimballed weapons are very innacurate against smaller ships. Also, a vulture can't outmaneuver a viper unless you don't know how to use thrusters. It doesn't matter how fast you can turn if you're too slow to get behind your target. And speaking of slow, the vulture is wayyy to slow to be able to fly in reverse against anything.
SO... CMDR name too, please?
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Its top speed is 402.
It can be as fast as the Viper when it wants to be.
Upgrade your thrusters, the ship is OP to the point where it devalues anything past it.
On that note, I laughed when I realized that you have no idea how reversing breaks the flight model entirely. You are not getting behind a target backing up, no matter what ships are used in the example.
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Nonya
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Have some rep, truth-teller.
Err... If I was in a gimballed Vulture VS an all fixed Viper, I'd do anything but run away. Fixed weapons in PvP is only viable if both are equipped with them. Gimballed are slightly less powerful, but their attack angle and hit ratio nullify that consideration. And a chaff launcher will be of little help under concentrated non-stop fire. Eventually, that shield will collapse.
In general, in a Vulture VS a Viper, I'd do anything but run away.
I can drift above your vulture with my nose pointed on your back faster than you can reverse. I don't even need to get behind you. (But seriously. You just boost past your target and do 180 in FA off. Tadaa, you're behind a target backing up. not that hard.)
And the top speed of a viper is higher than that 402, so unless you're running around naked with absolutely nothing on your ship against a fully kited opponent, nope, you can't outrun a viper in a vulture.
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I have noticed that there are some hard-core Viper fans out there. I tried a Viper fairly early on and I must say that I did not like it at all. It is the only ship, in fact, that I have not liked flying. I have owned so far Sidewinder, Eagle, Hauler, Viper, Asp, Vulture, T-6, T-7 - still have most of them but not the Viper. Maybe one day I'll buy it again and give it another go, I will admit that I didn't have the credits at the time to upgrade it fully. In contrast, I feel very comfortable in my Vulture - but I did spend a bit of time getting the power usage juuust right.
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