I am once again pleading with people to use EDMC

[Old Duck]

We (EDMC) do not extract personal information from CAPI - you can look at our source code to see that.

But could you if you wanted to? Because if so, that alone is a matter of great concern for at least some of us. I definitely don't want you, or anybody else for that matter, to know who I am IRL.

Back when I was sending data to EDDB, I wrote my own uploader using their / your (whoever's) API, and that worked like a charm and made me feel safe because I was in full control of what I was sending. I also use a VPN, so even my IP address protected. There was definitely no PII in the data or even the metadata (I don't count my avatar Old Duck as PII, but rather a crafted fictional character who on rare occasions knowingly leaks little insights about the fellow or gal behind the mask).

Not that anyone in this forum would wish ill will against the old duck, but I prefer to play it safe nonetheless.

 

[robbyp]

As I said, there are options out there which do not use CAPI. Use one of those

 

[Ettanin]

Check the virus total scan of EDD on the release page, see its all clear, and then consider that anti virus programs are not infallible.

I give you permission never to use EDD!

And even then, if you are a programmer yourself, you can look up the source code and if you don't trust the binaries, compile it yourself.

EDDiscovery is a VERY useful tool.

Also, you do not need the CAPI. You can let EDDiscovery read from your journal files (which i prefer to do because i sync between multiple systems). Same is true for EDMC.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

And even then, if you are a programmer yourself, you can look up the source code and if you don't trust the binaries, compile it yourself.

EDDiscovery is a VERY useful tool.

Also, you do not need the CAPI. You can let EDDiscovery read from your journal files (which i prefer to do because i sync between multiple systems). Same is true for EDMC.

Problem is, the vast majority of us are NOT programmers. I absolutely loath github for that reason: it makes absolutely no sense at all.

It took me 20 minutes just to find the download for EDMC. It's THAT confusing.

It would go a very long way to helping people if folks made things with the assumption that the vast majority of people are going to be clueless about programming, file structure and things of that nature.

All we want is a link to the .exe and we'd really love for it to be named the program we're after, not something like "VIRUS TOTAL".

I mean, seriously. Who in their right mind names a file VIRUS. Click on me! I'm a VIRUS, and a TOTAL one at that.

I was expecting to see something called EDMC.exe. with maybe a version number after it.

But hey, that's just me I guess.

 

[Old Duck]

Do not make it mandatory

Nobody here has the power to make any 3rd party tool mandatory. In fact, it's very much optional. The most fun I've had trading is when I did not use the 3rd party tools, but rather the in-game tools instead. It took more work, and required a lot of exploration, but I was immersed in the game in a way I'm not when I just look at the "cheat sheet" for the best trades.

Ironically it was because of the OP's complaint (outdated, incorrect trade data on 3rd party sites compared to in-game markets) that caused me to ditch the tools and figure it out myself. That's when I discovered I enjoyed the game more this way. Note - this is not a slam against those 3rd party tools, just a personal preference. But I do stand by my assertion that 3rd party tools are completely optional.

 

[robbyp]

Yep, dead hard to find the releases... right?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Yep, dead hard to find the releases... right?

Yes, it is. When you click "latest release", you see this:

So tell me, oh wise one, where is the EDCM to click on to download?

I'll save you the time. It isn't there.

I thought the relay link was wrong and had to ask again about where to download it before someone told me it is the Virus file you have to download.

 

[Florenus]

Yes, it is. When you click "latest release", you see this:

View attachment 323170

So tell me, oh wise one, where is the EDCM to click on to download?

I'll save you the time. It isn't there.

I thought the relay link was wrong and had to ask again about where to download it before someone told me it is the Virus file you have to download.

Scroll to the bottom, oh wise one.

 

[Esvandiary]

Yes, it is. When you click "latest release", you see this:

So tell me, oh wise one, where is the EDCM to click on to download?

I'll save you the time. It isn't there.

I thought the relay link was wrong and had to ask again about where to download it before someone told me it is the Virus file you have to download.

You appear to have inexplicably cropped that page almost perfectly above this part...

... which is the list of files in the release, conveniently including the EDMC installer.

 

[robbyp]

Its the Microsoft installer file .msi. A standard installer file on Windows. The other choices are plainly not applicable

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Again, if you're USED to that, then that's one thing. When the big, huge, blue link right next to the release tab says Virus Total, you don't think you're in the right place.

Is it just too much work to make that link say EDCM? Because that was the only thing I knew it as when I was told about it.

 

[Esvandiary]

Is it just too much work to make that link say EDCM? Because that was the only thing I knew it as when I was told about it.

But... you don't need to do anything with the VirusTotal link. It's just there for people to have an easy way to see what various virus scanners think of it.
You download EDMC (or to use its full name, ED Market Connector...) from the files attached to the release, which are listed on the very same page you showed us a picture of; the first of those files is helpfully named EDMarketConnector_win_5.4.1.msi.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

But... you don't need to do anything with the VirusTotal link. It's just there for people to have an easy way to see what various virus scanners think of it.

Again, I'm supposed to know that how?

After being instructed, I clicked that link and it downloaded the file. I didn't even bother looking down at the bottom to begin with because, once again, I thought I was in the wrong place.

That link says EDCM and we're not having this conversation.

 

[Esvandiary]

Again, I'm supposed to know that how?

After being instructed, I clicked that link and it downloaded the file. I didn't even bother looking down at the bottom to begin with because, once again, I thought I was in the wrong place.

That link says EDCM and we're not having this conversation.

Uh, clicking the VirusTotal link certainly shouldn't download anything - it's just a link to the VirusTotal site which I'm pretty sure doesn't let people redownload the files submitted for checking! The link could definitely be smaller, for sure; might well be an accident that it's that big.

You said "why doesn't the download link on that page say EDMC"; I just pointed out that, well... it does.

 

[Stealthie]

Is it just too much work to make that link say EDCM? Because that was the only thing I knew it as when I was told about it.

It's kind of a lot of work.

First you'd have to earn a heap of cash, buy Github and then create alternative revenue streams.
After that you could get rid of the adverts and display download links more prominently.

Course, why anybody would be screeching at somebody who's simply uploaded a file to Github about this is.... strange.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

It's kind of a lot of work.

First you'd have to earn a heap of cash, buy Github and then create alternative revenue streams.
After that you could get rid of the adverts and display download links more prominently.

Really?

So you're saying that on Github you can't do this: EDMC 5.4.1

Because if that's the case, I will gladly host all of their downloads on my web server that will allow them to do that.

 

[Esvandiary]

I propose they get rid of the heading, and the VirusTotal link, and the release notes... Just replace all that with a really big down arrow. Maybe animate it for good measure.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I propose they get rid of the heading, and the VirusTotal link, and the release notes... Just replace all that with a really big down arrow. Maybe animate it for good measure.

Or, you could just put this:

EDMC 5.4.1

where the Virus Total link is.

But that would be too easy, see. It wouldn't be some sort of "hacker funny ha ha" post that only those in the know get. It would make things very clear and easy, and God knows we can't have that, can we?

 

[robbyp]

Edmc can do what they want, it's their toy. They can arrange the page any way they like, within the confines of github.

 

[Darth Ender]

I have 7+ years of exploration data and other game activity entirely outside of any third party crowd sourcing tools. I dont participate in them out of principal.

If this is something you feel the need to rally all users to use rather than an optional toy project then it should be part of the game and managed properly within the client with data stored by fdev. At the very least, this would guaranteed that the data is disseminated back to the userbase without bias.

I have zero desire to install third party tools...let alone give a random player data and trust that they'll share it back to everyone equally.

So a resounding "No" to the op. Demand that Fdev add the desired features, is the appropriate option.