I don’t believe the 2.8% board flip statistic has been presented correctly, can FDev please clarify?

FatFreddysCoat

FatFreddysCoat
I have no idea how this absurdly low figure was achieved - can anybody please explain it from Frontier please?

I flip, but I don’t do it every day - sometimes I’m off bounty hunting where I don’t need to flip, and sometimes I’m passenger hauling, where I do. I don’t do it daily though and I’d be surprised if anybody who did flip did it on a daily basis so to use this as a statistic is misleading at best, meaningless at worst.

Can anybody official report the sample they took and over what time period to get to this strangely low figure?
 

Mangal Oemie

Mangal Oemie
They can decide to massively increase the number of missions at the same time of implementing this "fix", or face the howls of the community when people find nothing to do in the galaxy after release, and increase the number of missions then.
 

kofeyh

kofeyh
Mangal Oemie said:
They can decide to massively increase the number of missions at the same time of implementing this "fix", or face the howls of the community when people find nothing to do in the galaxy after release, and increase the number of missions then.
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On a scale of one to obvious, given they said at best 10% and no increase in count (which begs the question of why even split it out if you are going to leave it as-is) what do you reckon the outcome will be.
 

jonesskill

jonesskill
Mangal Oemie said:
They can decide to massively increase the number of missions at the same time of implementing this "fix", or face the howls of the community when people find nothing to do in the galaxy after release, and increase the number of missions then.
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Yes they can, but again, this is not the proposal.
Remember, if they are thinking in such a positive thing (Increase on the ammount of missions or a better generation system) they will tell that in the announcement to get more positive feedbacks, this is NOT the case.
 

jonesskill

jonesskill
BongoBaggins said:
Far fewer crashes to desktop/dashboard
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Sir, i never have this kind of crash on the station services screen/mission board scree.

Sometimes on CZ's this happens, never hapened on station. (On the station i usualy get the "can't retrieve mission list") - But this is very very rare.
 

CMDR BlackHogg

CMDR BlackHogg
I hope they improve the mission generation system. As a solo player I tend to mode swap not to stack missions but to find any mission of a type i want to do. Half the board is wing missions and the other half is so influenced by system state that it is filled with identical missions. If a faction is in civil war they can literally have 20 missions of the same type.
 

Vingtetun

Vingtetun
Here's the thing.

If 2.8% of people board flip, only a maximum 2.8% of people can moan about it on the forums which means.... no matter how much noise it causes on here about omg and and Braben ruined my life, it can safely be ignored as a tiny minority making a huge flatulent parp in the wind.

Reassuring for everyone here on the forums that noisy != right.
 

Riverside

Riverside
A few thoughts on this 2.8% thing:

I agree it seems low, based on anecdotal evidence I'd assumed a percentage in the high teens at least, so let's go through some plausible explanations:

The number of active users that board flip is pretty high, but it's being compared to an even higher number like the total licenses sold.

Mode switching is somehow much less prevalent on XBone/PS4, potentially skewing the results (eg only PC platformers board flip but the total is for all platforms).

Most players just play the game & don't discuss it or follow how-to guides, making the posters on this board, reddit & other hotspots unrepresentative - the silent majority fallacy.


The bare stats are either a large number of board flippers, but being compared to an even larger number, or a surprisingly small but highly vocal number of board flippers meeting FDev's definition among the active population.
 

Mangal Oemie

Mangal Oemie
kofeyh said:
On a scale of one to obvious, given they said at best 10% and no increase in count (which begs the question of why even split it out if you are going to leave it as-is) what do you reckon the outcome will be.
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oh, I am almost certain there won't be a mission number increase. Initially
 

FNLWA

FNLWA
The point is, we don't really know where that number comes from. We don't know what FD considers a board flip, or rather what exactly you need to have done in which time period. You can't just throw numbers around without context.

Vingtetun said:
[...]a tiny minority making a huge flatulent parp in the wind.

Reassuring for everyone here on the forums that noisy != right.
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It's not about noise but about valid arguments that justify board flipping in certain cases. Nobody is sad to see board flipping gone assuming the -reasons- people board flip will be considered (lack of suitable missions, really). And even if the people who board flip are in the minority this would in no way invalidate any arguments being made.
 

WordSmith

WordSmith
I don't believe it either. More likely 28%, but honestly, even that sounds low.

2.8% is, in my view, based on forum posts and YouTube videos, an improbably low number. I think someone has a spreadsheet error...

One thing I would like to see is a wing mission filter button so I can have the option to NOT see them, as they clog up the board for solo players.
 

kofeyh

kofeyh
Vingtetun said:
Here's the thing.

If 2.8% of people board flip, only a maximum 2.8% of people can moan about it...
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Who is moaning. The 2.8% (average) of people that's virtually a margin of error value, or the people moaning about how terrible the 2.8% were for flipping. It's so hard to keep up with which moaning, is actually important. Cause it all just sounds like background noise, now.
 

kofeyh

kofeyh
FNLWA said:
It's not about noise but about valid arguments that justify board flipping in certain cases. Nobody is sad to see board flipping gone assuming the -reasons- people board flip will be considered (lack of suitable missions, really). And even if the people who board flip are in the minority this would in no way invalidate any arguments being made.
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The reasons were the same as usual; Frontier where whined at until they did something. There is a statement that payouts will be increased by 10%, but no increase is expected in the count. Turns out Frontier can solve the unsolvable (remember, this wasn't possible to fix a while back). Looking forward to their approach to CLing (for the presumably 2.8% that do so, who are just whining anyway).

*giggle*

Sorry; the entire thing is funny at this point. It's a christmas miracle! You get a wing mission, you get a wing mission. Everyone get's a wing mission. People will justify the most hilarious things.
 
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Bortas

Bortas
Personally I think 2.8% sounds pretty accurate.

Even if a player uses board-flipping, he/she doesn't do it all the time. You do it for a few days, maybe weeks, until you have enough billions of credits and then you play for months or even years without doing it ever again, because missions are just a means to get some cash and not an end in itself.
 

metatheurgist

metatheurgist
Riverside said:
A few thoughts on this 2.8% thing:

I agree it seems low, based on anecdotal evidence I'd assumed a percentage in the high teens at least, so let's go through some plausible explanations:
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Which is why you don't rely on anecdotes; it's not evidence. It's why everyone is convinced their own personal interest is the issue of the day which leads to large amounts of whining about FD not listening to "their playerbase".

You can ask FD to release their data or believe them. FD are the only people that know for sure and I think they do things for their benefit, which would not include p'ing off their playerbase; all caps manifestos to the contrary.
 
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