I haven't played since SLF was a thing and call me crazy but

[-VR- Max Factor]

With all due respect, but that's .

The Python is 20 meter high, compared to 22,5m for the FGS and 14,something for the Keelback + the python is wider than both of those. It is never ever to thin to carry a SLF bay.

The reason is, as many already have said, because a) it wasn't designed to launch an SLF (aka missing bay doors) and b) because it is with 3 large HPs and two medium HPs already roughly on par with the FdL in terms of fire power, while having a higher poweroutput, being able to land at medium pads and carrying more cargo.

Most people seem to forget how incredible powerful SLFs are. The fixed versions are on par with engineered huge hardpoints, DPS wise, while being able to act independent from the ship. In short, add SLFs for the Python and it becomes the single most versatile (which it probably already is) and powerful ship in the game.

As for, why do Corvette/Cutter/Conda have SLFs bays: Because it makes sense for them to have escorts. They level the field against swarms of smaller ships.

The Python is wedge shaped. It is 18 metres at the engines. Now, look where you need to put a SLF (in the middle of the ship), you will find that it is too thin. The Keelback is 15 meters in height front to back, they Python is 18 metres at the back and gets thinner as you head towards the front. Also if you bother looking at the picture it has a ridge that goes down the middle of the ship which looks around 2-3 meters in height.

The Keelback can literally just fit a SLF inside it. The Python can't. It is that simple. You can call as much as you like, but you are wrong. Here is a picture of a Python. 18 meters at the engine, it would loose about 3 metre when you get to middle where you would have the SLF, and then loosee 2-3 meter because of the ridge down the middle which makes it around 11-12 metres in the middle. It would need serious remodelling for it to fit a SLF into it.

You may have to loose a couple of weapon mounts and utility mounts as well. Not ideal for the python.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

The Keelback is a T6 variant.

Why you would want to fly a T7 in any combat situation, where a SLF is useful is a mystery to me though.

Yes, the Keelback is a T6 varient with a SLF. Remove the SLF and it is basically a T6 with a little less cargo and a few extra guns. They could do the same with a T7, have a few extra guns add a SLF bay and give it a bit less cargo and give it a new name. I see no issues there. Just a few more ships to play around with. It would also make it a more multirole ship, like the keelback.

 

[Noctover]

Python with 350t starting hull mass and 3x class 6 slots can't have a fighter but a Keelback at 180t hull mass and uses same size landing pad can have a fighter is weird. I just found it curious, is there any logic beyond the concept of a Python + SLF friend being potentially OP and honestly there'd be no reason to use any other multi-role vessel?

Basically yeah it would be too OP. Its like giving the Clipper shields that arnt made of tin foil would make it the ultimate fighting machine.

 

[Becks]

The Python is wedge shaped. It is 18 metres at the engines. Now, look where you need to put a SLF (in the middle of the ship), you will find that it is too thin. The Keelback is 15 meters in height front to back, they Python is 18 metres at the back and gets thinner as you head towards the front. Also if you bother looking at the picture it has a ridge that goes down the middle of the ship which looks around 2-3 meters in height.

The Keelback can literally just fit a SLF inside it. The Python can't. It is that simple. You can call as much as you like, but you are wrong. Here is a picture of a Python. 18 meters at the engine, it would loose about 3 metre when you get to middle where you would have the SLF, and then loosee 2-3 meter because of the ridge down the middle which makes it around 11-12 metres in the middle. It would need serious remodelling for it to fit a SLF into it.

http://i.imgur.com/tJybrWj.jpg

First of all, the fighter bay doesn't have to be in the middle. Cargo Hatch and Fighter Bay are two different things in terms of the model. The Keelback has it towards the rear as has the FGS, the Conda and the Corvette.

Second, none of the fighters is higher than 2,5m. The bay itself is maybe 6 meter, at the max 7 meters high.

Fitting it into the python is not the problem, no matter how you try to turn the argument. The entire premise of your argument is wrong.

The reason why it has none is, as stated, simply because it'd make the Python to powerful.

As for: "The Keelback can literally just fit a SLF inside it.", that's simply not true.

Spoiler

Yes, the SLF takes up a lot of space, but not "literally any space".

 

[Becks]

Yes, the Keelback is a T6 varient with a SLF. Remove the SLF and it is basically a T6 with a little less cargo and a few extra guns. They could do the same with a T7, have a few extra guns add a SLF bay and give it a bit less cargo and give it a new name. I see no issues there. Just a few more ships to play around with. It would also make it a more multirole ship, like the keelback.

More variants are always good, but I'm not sure if the T7 fulfills the requirements to do anything else than trading. Then again, I've only flown it once for five minutes and I'm certainly not an expert in how it handles, so I'm probably not the best person to judge this.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

First of all, the fighter bay doesn't have to be in the middle. Cargo Hatch and Fighter Bay are two different things in terms of the model. The Keelback has it towards the rear as has the FGS, the Conda and the Corvette.

Second, none of the fighters is higher than 2,5m. The bay itself is maybe 6 meter, at the max 7 meters high.

Fitting it into the python is not the problem, no matter how you try to turn the argument. The entire premise of your argument is wrong.

The reason why it has none is, as stated, simply because it'd make the Python to powerful.

As for: "The Keelback can literally just fit a SLF inside it.", that's simply not true.

Spoiler

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.ne...est/scale-to-width-down/800?cb=20151125103403

Yes, the SLF takes up a lot of space, but not "literally any space".

The python has the width, not the height. The ship also slopes down toward the edges as well. When the fighter bay lowers on my keelback it is virtually the same height as the keelback. There is about half a metre spare at the top. While the fighters themselve are not massive the actual bay takes up a lot more space then just a fighter. Possibly leaving it open for slightly larger types of ship that can be used in the bay.

Personally, I look at the keelback and cant see how it all fits together. Where does the FSD fit, where are the engines and where does the rest of the cargo go.

I like the ship, but to be honest it is not that realistic regarding the amount of space inside it. Could the python have one, yes, with a bit of re-modelling it could, but it just isn't high enough at the moment. I am certainly not against a variant version though, but that could reduce the amount of guns, the amount of cargo space, and it will likely be a lot more expensive then the regular python, like the keelback is far more expensive then the T6.

More variants are always good, but I'm not sure if the T7 fulfills the requirements to do anything else than trading. Then again, I've only flown it once for five minutes and I'm certainly not an expert in how it handles, so I'm probably not the best person to judge this.

Nor me to be honest. I have never flown one yet and have no real want to either.

 

[Becks]

The python has the width, not the height. The ship also slopes down toward the edges as well. When the fighter bay lowers on my keelback it is virtually the same height as the keelback. There is about half a metre spare at the top. While the fighters themselve are not massive the actual bay takes up a lot more space then just a fighter. Possibly leaving it open for slightly larger types of ship that can be used in the bay.

Spoiler

I see what you mean, but the supports holding the landing platfrom/bay door for the SLF bay extend, they're not that long when retracted.

Personally, I look at the keelback and cant see how it all fits together. Where does the FSD fit, where are the engines and where does the rest of the cargo go.

Well, yes. But that's another issue to discuss.

I like the ship, but to be honest it is not that realistic regarding the amount of space inside it. Could the python have one, yes, with a bit of re-modelling it could, but it just isn't high enough at the moment. I am certainly not against a variant version though, but that could reduce the amount of guns, the amount of cargo space, and it will likely be a lot more expensive then the regular python, like the keelback is far more expensive then the T6.

Considering the power of the SLFs, it'd need to give up at least two large HPs and replace them with medium or small hps to make it somewhat balanced. That and some lower internals, but that's going to deep into detail to discuss this while being at work.

Nor me to be honest. I have never flown on yet and have no real want to either.

I don't believe anyone who says, he's flying one out of free will. xD

 

[[VR] Frank_G]

The ships have been designed with internal layout in mind from day one. The reason for some ships having hangars and others not will be found there. I am pretty sure.

 

[SushiCW]

The ships have been designed with internal layout in mind from day one. The reason for some ships having hangars and others not will be found there. I am pretty sure.

Yeaaah, I really doubt that.

Ship volume / layout and available modules are very loosely correlated at best. e.g. Clipper vs Type7 vs Python.