I shouldn't have to check reddit to know whats going on

I do not agree with the OP as I think large and strong and interesting communities for the game that are hosted outside of the game is a good thing for the game and shows how strong the game is.
 
If you have steam you can do this now by using shift+tab.

I haven't used steam since the issues a couple months ago. Any idea if they've been fixed? I miss the ease of taking screenshots through steam and not having them saved in .bmp lol.

Repped purely for the reference to one of my greatest MMO experiences ever !

Yes! Iksar and Kerran shamans <3
 
The thing is in WoW i was able to create 70 players guild and we never had a forum or web site - can you imagine it here ? Hah
 
I don't have any idea how it ought to work, all I know is that I don't like how it works now. For example, if there's a player group in game, that even have their own faction and station, why can't I somehow join that group in game? I don't want to go to another website, or search reddit, or go on teamspeak or check some chat room that is completely separate from the game. Or even with Power Play, I join up, but to find out what's happening, or organize, or to even chat with others from my power I have to go on reddit? seriously?

What this does is make me feel very disconnected from what's actually going on in game, I feel like to even get a sense of what people are up to, or participate in the actual game I need to check up on so many other sites, and if I don't, I'm really missing out on the fun.

And then there's the fact that people who organize player groups or are somehow more involved in the community are also more important in-game. The latest CG got me feeling like this, Obsidian Orbital. Apparently it's been named after some guy named Obsidian Ant by a community vote. That's cool for him, I have nothing against him, congrats, I'm sure he did something to deserve it too, but I most certainly won't ever have a space station named after me because I am never going to be that involved, and even if I wanted to start my own player group, I can't, I'm not even technically skilled enough to run my own website, and I have no time for it anyway. It all makes me feel like there's a level to this game that's not accessible to me.

I think it all comes down to Frontier relying too much on community generated content to fill out the game. There are so many people who don't have the time , or can't be bothered, or simply don't know about the wider community because it's not in-game, it's on reddit and wordpress. I'm also not saying we should have less community generated content and player groups and so on, it's all awesome we should have more if anything, but I just wish it were all more accessible from in game and not relying on other websites so much.

Fully agree. Communication in general with other players in game is fairly limited.
 
I haven't used steam since the issues a couple months ago. Any idea if they've been fixed? I miss the ease of taking screenshots through steam and not having them saved in .bmp lol.

I have been using only steam for the past 7 months without problems. Taking pics, chatting, etc. Which issues are these?
 
The more they can keep you out of the game the better off FD is keeping their servers alive. All the BW eaten up by all this would bring down their game servers.
 
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I don't agree either. Player communities are just that - players. I think it would be a mistake for the developer company to get involved in any sort of player activity on an official level, which is what it would be if any connection were to be inserted into the game, as it will be seen as tacit approval and that then involves them in player community politics. Best to leave all that alone and concentrate on the game itself.
 
Everquest (the original) added a feature on one of their mid-life updates that allowed internet browsers to be opened in-game. This allowed for safe searching of information and forum browsing while still technically being in-game and aware of what was going on. The browser window could be resized and made transparent. There is no reason this same type of feature can't be added to ED. Either as an option beneath station services or a new tab under the contact tab of window #1, it should be done!
An ingame browser would be a good usage of that little screen between our legs.

The more they can keep you out of the game the better off FD is keeping their servers alive. All the BW eaten up by all this would bring down their game servers.
Actually a valid point. Keeping the server costs low is always preferable if one wants to keep in business.
 
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I have been using only steam for the past 7 months without problems. Taking pics, chatting, etc. Which issues are these?

There was an issue that I guess didn't affect all users where the game couldn't launch through Steam and they gave a direct download for the ED Launcher.. Haven't tried to use it again since. Will try when I'm home today.
 
Do we want in game browser, really? ;)


It will break my Immersion!

Do you know what a new Immersion costs these days?!

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An ingame browser would be a good usage of that little screen between our legs.

Have you seen the one on the Clipper?

The stain on the lower left indicates it is indeed a browser of some sort.

www.galacticgirls.xxx I think.
 
There was an issue that I guess didn't affect all users where the game couldn't launch through Steam and they gave a direct download for the ED Launcher.. Haven't tried to use it again since. Will try when I'm home today.

Did it ever work for you Kat?
 
I'm not sure I want all the stuff in game. Don't think I want to be bothered with a bunch of things I generally don't care about. Obsidian Orbital.. good for him.. why should I care? NPC factions named after player groups in order to give the illusion of them owning a system... good for them.. why should I care? If I did care, I know where to find it, out of game, reddit, forums etc. Some of these things show up in Gal Net and for me.. good enough.

I get it, you and many others do care and I understand why. I don't though and I don't think it deserves dev time right this second. That's just like, my opinion bro.

What IS really going on anyway? I don't believe there's actually anything notable that isn't already reported in game. Unless you count community organized events, which I don't since I'm a loner and only care about what's been implemented by the developers and not what CMDR Joe and his Armada of Joes are doing. I did however, participate in Power Play in a way that was working with others in the community, you'd be surprised how many people don't really want to work together in game. I'm fine with this as it can all be done in Solo.

I know you're making a more generalized point here, but I just want to clarify a few more specific things.

First off, ObsidianAnt/Granite would have never suggested that the station be named after him. I'm sure it's actually rather embarrassing for him. The role he played in getting the station made in an in-game "nebula" (the Pleiades), was mostly just from talking directly to the developers in person at one of the gaming conventions he attended and participated in with them as a panel member, being a very popular YouTube personality for Elite. He has done a lot to promote the game, but from genuine interest in it himself. He's mostly just a guy who is a huge fan (not to be confused with being a fanboy - as he does have his own objective criticisms) of Elite and thought it would be cool if there were a station inside of a nebula. After getting the "well, it isn't out of the realm of possibilities" type response from the develops, he discussed it with other active community members who helped to flesh the whole thing out (on these forums just as much as anywhere else, if not more so) who then further petitioned Frontier.

The game developers are the ones who gave the whole thing the green light and implemented the various community goal features with their requested feedback from the community, primarily on these forums. This was no kind of unilateral push from an outside group at all. It was simply the game developers listening to their community and implementing features that the community wanted and that they themselves liked. That actually seems like a pretty cool thing to have.

As for the whole "social media" movement, I'm not particularly a fan of it myself and don't participate in most of it. Because of that, I have missed out on some promotional offers and opportunities that I would have otherwise liked to have taken advantage of and participate in. That's my choice to make though, of course. What it comes down to is that to some rather large degree, this is just how the world works now whether we like it or not. At least the last time Frontier had these kind of promotional offers they shared them very visibly on the forums here too, though I'd like it even more if they could share them in the game, worked into the universe somehow as a message from the Pilots Federation, or similar.

Many people have been pushing for galactic communications chat channels in the game as well. While I have some mixed feelings about this myself, I do think it would help group the community together more in the game itself, allowing people to discuss community goals more effectively, for example.
 
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I remember when Game sites didn't even have a forum, and any information or interaction was always through a guild'ish PBForum or website.

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You're asking the Game Dev to keep up with every player group who wants to start a clan. Ha..no

And I've never bothered with reddit. ever.

Now if you want a Wow Clan system in game, with those kinds of features. Well, you will still likely need to go to a Clan run Forum to truly stay up to date with them. Like Mobius maybe.
 
OP - if this is a disguised "we need a way to form clans in game" thread, i can lock and redirect to the existing thread on the topic. :D

However, if you want some way to form groups in game, a good place to start would be by highlighting how you would expect this to work. Would be more constructive than criticizing.

Also, don't rely on people having knowledge like an earlier poster did "In WoW i could create 70+ groups in game", explain to the uninitiated how that works. ;)
 
I don't agree either. Player communities are just that - players. I think it would be a mistake for the developer company to get involved in any sort of player activity on an official level, which is what it would be if any connection were to be inserted into the game, as it will be seen as tacit approval and that then involves them in player community politics. Best to leave all that alone and concentrate on the game itself.

Ahh but FD have got involved by gifting certain systems and stations in-game to player groups. The only way to know about this and keep up with this stuff is by reading the forums - so there is a reliance on external media to know what's going on. Nothing wrong with that - but it has to be acknowledged.

There appears to be an expectation by FD that the forums are used to distribute knowledge of events within the game. Even FDs so-called community site hasn't been updated in months (patch notes for instance). The only place to read these are on this forum.

I think it's FDs role here to disseminate the abundance of information out there and distribute a high level summary of what's going on. Galnet would be the perfect place for this - from there players wanting to dig deeper could go and search online for specific details if they so wished. Though admittedly I don't read Galnet that much as I've learned to get all I need from this forum...
 
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@OP, eh, frontier should have to have less hands in the game creating content, players need more tools to make content themselves

however wahts currently killing PP, and elite as a whole, is the pure non-existence of community management tools for the players, if say, the Angels want to communicate something to the other Aisling players about a strategy, they have to hope they check the forums here and on reddit, which is unlikely because they dont even have a way of informing them there is something on reddit to check, in fact more likely the only people who would read it are members of the opposing faction.

as much as people whine and :):):):):) about "WoW" and "EVE", we NEED "guilds/corporations", simply so the community can interact with itself.

longterm, this game will survive if FD find ways to offload more event generation to the BGS, like population/economy/stations/wealth/colonization, for the players to influence through their actions, and then use community management tools such as "guilds" to create coherent organized groups that can then be integrated in the game and create player-content through competition and conflict. hell, EVE woulda died 10 years ago if not for the player's ability to create their own content. (and before ANYONE says "you can already create your own content", no you cant, you can create your won activities, but the content those actions create is minimalized at best, or at worst completely dependent on FD noticing it and feeling its worth their attention and fitting with their "story" to make a CG out of it)


***alternatively, dear lord, at least let people vote on an official group of say 7 or 10 people to oversea PP strategies for their faction, and post a MOTD that appears in the chat window on login telling peeps what systems should be focused, because as it is, 90% of the people who "participate" in PP actually do more harm than good for their power because there are no tools to feed them information from those more informed with how mechanics in PP work (specifically all those merit grinders who do nothing but prep, expand, and constantly fortify systems that create a gaping black hole in a power's wallet)
 
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I found out about CG's from the first loading screen. If you can't be bothered to click on them and then read about it, how is that FD's fault?
and about the the faction stuff.. these guys and girls are pro active and promoting the game and community, good for them.......I certainly dont think I'm entitled
to a faction because I wrote an angry letter...............pretty sure station name was a vote but i could be wrong, I'm just a lurker
 
Ahh but FD have got involved by gifting certain systems and stations in-game to player groups. The only way to know about this and keep up with this stuff is by reading the forums - so there is a reliance on external media to know what's going on. Nothing wrong with that - but it has to be acknowledged.

There appears to be an expectation by FD that the forums are used to distribute knowledge of events within the game. Even FDs so-called community site hasn't been updated in months (patch notes for instance). The only place to read these are on this forum.

I think it's FDs role here to disseminate the abundance of information out there and distribute a high level summary of what's going on. Galnet would be the perfect place for this - from there players wanting to dig deeper could go and search online for specific details if they so wished. Though admittedly I don't read Galnet that much as I've learned to get all I need from this forum...

There seems to be this misconception that those minor factions are owned by the player groups. Where does this come from? The only shape or form they can influence these factions is the same as for every other minor faction in the galaxy, by running missions. They don't directly decide what the faction does, or where it expands, or who it goes to war with. There's no ownership here in the real sense. Yes, the players can decide to start camping that system and kicking everyone out they find in their instances, but that's about it.

As for the lack of information, yes I agree. Until a bit ago the only way to learn about CGs was either read the megathread, or guess which Galnet news pertains a CG. Now it's on the launcher. So yes, general information that pertains everyone should be visible in game. But random player groups that some will not even give a wooden nickel about, because they are just as much of a power as the 1234th Patron's Law? Why would you clutter the in-game systems with that?
 
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