They did exist. Finding them was a pain, involving lengthy cruises over likely terrain, or taking a transect and doing a constant glide / boost over it, but it was possible.
I still hate the new style of exploration even after adjusting to it.
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They did exist. Finding them was a pain, involving lengthy cruises over likely terrain, or taking a transect and doing a constant glide / boost over it, but it was possible.
I didn't find my first Geological POI until quite late in my exploration career (before the new FSS & DSS), but the system containing that Geological POI is one of my favourites as it has a gas giant with a large ring system with two moons in between. It's 3rd moon has quite a difference in orbital inclination compared to the other two moons, so gives a great view of the large ringed gas giant.
There are no ELW's or WW's in the system, so this system is boring on account of the types of bodies in the system, but interesting in it's arrangement (well at least to me), so the FSS doesn't work very well for these types of finds:
A2A is where I found a Geyser geological POI on my first visit blindly...but unfortunately it wasn't quite the achievement since that planet seems to have 48 geological POI's (If I am remembering this correctly).
There are no ELW's or WW's in the system, so this system is boring on account of the types of bodies in the system, but interesting in it's arrangement (well at least to me), so the FSS doesn't work very well for these types of finds:
As opposed to now, when you not only have to fly to the interesting body, but play a Second mini-game whose primary purpose is to increase the payout, with the secondary being "finding something interesting".
So, not playing the game is... an improvement?
Existed a LONG time before the "new game additions".
Also predates this discussion topic.
So, the idea that your ship can automatically plot a course up to 20,000 LY but cannot automatically use sensors to localize bodies in the same system while being able to tell you EXACTLY how many bodies there are is... believable.
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As a secondary thought, how many of the new breed know the meaning of Polonium+4 or Yttrium+4? I ask because, when I was exploring regularly, it was something to look for as an "interesting" find. Now, getting my ship back to the bubble from where I left it when this... "interesting" system was implemented, I didn't bother. The scan, and the fact that such things autolog in the Codex, made it unimportant because I don't have to do anything for it to be documented. That means that another source of sense of accomplishment died along the way.
Anything with infinite range that extracts that much info at a press of a button can't be anything else but a placeholder. Ultimately, it's FD's fault for leaving the ADS in place for so long.
Personally I could never accept the ADS as an exploration mechanic, opting for the IDS instead. So the FSS was a logical and welcome upgrade for me. Really sorry that some people built their exploration techniques around the ADS, that's a gap that won't be filled anytime soon.
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My god, I'm having flashbacks!
Nurse! The pills!
Nurse! The pills!
Truth of the matter is, the "new" system does come with some improvements - the problem is that many are buried beneath the naff FSS scanning. The actually useful new features - sharing of discovery data between commanders at long last, easy location of ground POI, and faster complete scanning of systems - could all have been added to the old system, and would have been a wonderful QOL improvement, but unfortunately the designers chose to bury them beneath tedious minigames.
you held down a button for ten seconds?... you're doing it wrong laddy, that's a pathetic summery too.
You should really read up on some of the more sensible solutions that didn't include a bar wiping minigame and a credit hike to ease the passage of the rollout, there are some wonderful ideas by players with knowledge and vision but unfortunately the bloke tasked with the job of expanding exploration probably wanted to be doing something else.
Exploration subforum drinking game
Here's a drinking game for the exploration subforum. If you have any suggestions for new rules, by all means post them! Drink a shot of your drink of choice (default: tea) every time when somebody says or asks: what those strange lights in the distance are - usually they turn out to be NGC...
Yep. The advantages that came with the FSS aren't the advantages of the FSS minigame. Thankfully, that means that they can be kept if Frontier will finally decide to start caring about exploration gameplay, and replace the FSS with something better. (Even if they decide to keep the name, so as not to admit that the first iteration had lots of room for improvement.)
Oh, and same goes for the DSS, really. Plus players tend to get bored with that even faster than they do with the FSS.
We'll see if they do anything with Odyssey. The DSS with its in-cockpit interface would still work there, but the FSS's porting out from your ship to a magical turret view would work even worse with legs than it does with VR.
You know, I wonder why this seems to come up every now and then. It's less that the honk lasts for five seconds, and more that it still needs to be done the exact same way. Having to hold down a button for five seconds to honk never went away.
Bold of you to assume he wasn't also doing something else already
(Then again, I'm just thinking of the FSS there. As for the other parts of the exploration update, what with the Codex and some new content, FD had to have more than one person working on those.)
The FSS is silly, so I don't use it.
Too much time was spent on making it sound nice and not enough on the actual gameplay. ED in a nutshell.
Too much time was spent on making it sound nice and not enough on the actual gameplay. ED in a nutshell.
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Agree with the recent posts. It's the wrong type of mini-game for players who want/need to use it thousands or even tens of thousands of times. It was fine for the first 50 uses. After that... enough said.
Don't worry guys. Soon you will have spacelegs so you can walk among the generic fields of somethings instead of driving among the generic fields of somethings.
Feel the gameplay. So much discovery, much exploration.
Feel the gameplay. So much discovery, much exploration.
Exploration is currently in rude health:
I think the "somethings" is what will make the difference (or not). Flying over or driving around a crashed alien ship or an abandoned facility is nice, but getting in and looking around inside would be much better IMO.
I'm fine with the new exploration model, but it saddens me that the removal of the ADS resulted in the removal of so many dedicated explorers. Sure, I have teased this group in the past, but most were very good people. There's no reason the ADS couldn't have remained an optional module. Well, perhaps there was a reason - the hubris of the lead developer who came up with the FSS. I'm sure it rubbed this individual the wrong way that there are people who hate his creation. Well he showed you - you are NOT getting the ADS back, EVER. You will learn to love the FSS, like it or not...
IMO an easy solution to the OPs dilemma would be to have all bodies in a system show up in system map as the basic unexplored when honked and only name the bodies with a full FSS scan to get all the relevant data and any relevant name tags.
I think best of both worlds, or is that too simple.
I think best of both worlds, or is that too simple.