General / Off-Topic i sure wish the forum was like it was two to three years ago

Chrysophylax

Chrysophylax
shadragon said:
When Elite Dangerous first came out, the hard core players (KS backers) were the backbone. They understood that you needed to invest time and effort to get ahead. The difficulty and scope of the game was what set it apart from the competitors on initial release. They recognized the latest iteration of the game was endless and paced themselves. They loved the new iteration (as I did) as it was part of the games heritage they not only understood, but embraced. Then the game grew and spread to people who bought the game simply because they heard it was fun and popular or they got it on a Steam sale.

This new batch of people started playing and realized quickly it isn't like HALO, Mass Effect or FarCry. No one leads you by the hand, there is no single player story and any progress you make is up to you to accomplish. To get higher end ships plus status/ranks requires an investment of time, which runs counter to their shoot everything for an hour until I get the BFG. It wasn't the game they were expecting, so instead of accepting that or moving on to other things they would enjoy, they began a loud campaign to change it. More money, faster progress, end the grind and let me get a Corvette in the first day so I can be King of the galaxy.

I mean it HAS to be the games fault, right? It can't be an 'I want it now' generation or someone who has no patience or ability to think for themselves. Can't be their own unrealistic expectations or inability to think beyond twitching their index finger on a fire button. Nope, must be the game and therefore it must change, not them. They paid $15 bucks in a Steam sale so Frontier HAS to listen to them, undo thirty years of tradition and turn it into a 'traditional' game they understand, right? What's the best way to do that? Trash them endlessly on reviews, obviously, until they conform Elite to all the others they've played.

I just hope Frontier keeps to the path they established in the Kickstarter videos. That's the game I bought and the one I enjoy playing. That vision keeps me here. While I don't agree with some of their design choices, there is still enough I do like to the point that I am approaching the 6,000 hour mark spent in game (across all my accounts.)
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I just want to hold this up as the perfect parody, just the right blend of troll and earnestness. Good job!
 

NeilF

NeilF
An analogy... The first time I saw cold running in action in Alpha/Beta time. The expectation of the depth and interesting mechanics that would offer to us; Ships sneaking into asteroid fields trying to evade detection, to get a single shot at an important target, or a single chance to scan an important target.

Now, the reality of the mechanics two years on...
 
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Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
Additionally, the best scenes were left on the cutting room's floor, only those who slept with the moguls got speaking roles, and those that worked in PR were made mods.

Sounds like showbiz to me. :(
 

mbar

mbar
NeilF said:
An analogy... The first time I saw cold running in action in Alpha/Beta time. The expectation of the depth and interesting mechanics that would offer to us; Ships sneaking into asteroid fields trying to evade detection, to get a single shot at an important target, or a single chance to scan an important target.

Now, the reality of the mechanics two years on...
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Another balance adjustment I can't understand. I never did silent running builds but I did enjoy the fact that others were doing it. "People having fun. reduce heatsink count from 3 to 2 because reasons. Ha ha ha. Take that explorers!"
 

NeilF

NeilF
mbar said:
Another balance adjustment I can't understand. I never did silent running builds but I did enjoy the fact that others were doing it. "People having fun. reduce heatsink count from 3 to 2 because reasons. Ha ha ha. Take that explorers!"
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It's more the fact in Alpha/Beta there was the hint/hope of some deep, layered and involved mechanic both in gameplay and background simulation... But...
 

CptSiddy

C
I wish the game was like it was 2 years ago... it was arguably better, with no paywalled supermodule content and PVP-PVE rift...
 

Lianachan

Lianachan
defekt said:
A few years ago ED was many things to many folks; the collective hopes and dreams of thousands of wannabe space pirates/traders/explorers/bountyhunters/miners/busdrivers. The forums were awash with speculation, hype, wishlists... and such environments are generally positive in nature.

Reality can never live up to the enormous expectations of such a vast melting-pot of froth.

Personally, ED disappointed me on many levels, and my expectations weren't astronomically high to begin with. (I've been a gamer for nearly forty years; I've picked up a few 'internal expectation management' coping mechanisms over the years, shall we say.) My list of gripes is too long to go into but all roads tend to lead back to RNG nonsense, rampant and conspicuous artificial difficulty, and no C&P.

I currently consider myself to be one of ED's detractors, and as such my posts herein do tend to be critical. I don't see ED becoming the game I hoped it would be and as such I'm now hoping that Star Citizen will deliver more than ED has, and depending on how that turns out I may well come back to ED. Who knows.
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So much of this rings true for me, too. I've been a gamer since we got a VIC-20 in 1981 and a huge Elite fan since the BBC version in 1984.

After First Encounters, I kept tabs on Frontier hoping that one day there would be an Elite IV. After years of talk about how there'd be a new Elite at some point, with work to be started after various projects which always seemed to drag on or go nowhere, I was delighted when crowdfunding for Dangerous was announced and immediately backed it.

The very late announcement of no single player was a bitter blow, and I felt (and still feel) pretty cheated by the last minute bait and switch. However, I gave FD the benefit of the doubt and gave it a go when it was released - although no PS4 version meant I had to wait a year and buy a new PC in order to play it. I've now not played it for about a year, and I think Dangerous is probably the most personally disappointing game of all time.

My goodwill for Frontier is entirely spent, and nothing less than the proper single player Elite IV I've been waiting for for 20 years would see them get another penny out of me. I have no expectation that such a game will ever see the light of day, now.
 

Adept

Adept
Sanderson said:
You know, when people talked about the game and not each other. People had ideas, hopes, dreams and were nice to one another (mostly) and there was literally a galaxy of possibilities.

Any chance we can get a "joined in 2014 or before" section? [big grin]
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There is an Alpha forum... it's a little like that. I miss that time as well. The signal to noise ratio was much better.
 
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