I'm pretty sure that's not intended because all other commodities had been nerfed. So better prepared to grind until the next patch hits.
I was going to avoid mining because everyone else is doing it..
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This was my mistake. I was impatient and started prospecting multiple rocks, which caused my limpets to get confused and wink out of existence.
Well, if that was the case enough data is collected and recorded to find one of these as evidence of it:
- a LTD sale point where the price is considerably above that the BGS states would normally imply
- a LTD sale point where the Expansion state has lasted more than 7 ticks or the Public Holiday state more than 2 ticks
However, given what causes Expansion and what seems to cause Public Holiday, there's no need for a specific conspiracy - there are 4000 refinery systems and the odds of the states showing up together given the right inputs are about 1/30 on any particular day, so there only needs to be about 1/100 systems getting the right inputs for the whole thing to happen solely through the operation of the (Frontier-chosen) BGS rules with no extra fingers on the scale required. Much easier and doesn't make the professionally nervous BGS players suspicious.
(It's quite possible that they've decided not to fix the regeneration bug on LTDs for now to avoid complaints, however)
You can certainly do that once you're extracted everything and let the collectors clean up .. but it's probably quicker to position your cargo hatch over the fragments so there's as little lateral travel for your limpets as possible. You lose fewer limpets that way too.
Core mining (I do in a shieldless Chieftain) I've taken to detonating at 2km then fast as possible get into a position where I can see right through the broken asteroid (night vision on in all conditions). Then as the big chunks of the rock start to rotate the surface deposits open up like a flower and you can pick off with abrasion blaster as they appear. You can usually get all but a couple of them without maneuvering your ship at all.
For collection I drift my (medium) ship through the gap I could see through (using abrasion blaster to push the worthless left overs out of my way, because no shields) at about 3 m/s. By the time you're out the other side just about everything will have been collected up.
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"As a small ship miner (preferably Cobra Mk4)"As a small ship miner (preferably Cobra Mk4) I have always wondered how core mining works in a large ship. Especially when it comes to using the abrasion blaster, do you skip this part or do you actually dance around the asteroid debris with your Vette?
It's not a trick question, I honestly never tried that (and it's hard to imagine how it would even work). But of course this gives me some ideas now what an FC could do for me. Maybe FCs are not so terribly useless after all (looks like I'm corrupting myself right now)...
also love the C4 as the ultimate small miner
My mining frequency was never what I'd call grinding except the first few days I found the infamous double Painite hotspot (before the market correction). After that, I would only mine a few hours a week. But, from the time FCs were announced until last week I made ~7 billion. I'm pretty much done with regular mining operations since I enjoy other activities equally and money is not a problem atm. I really do enjoy mining like many others because it can be relaxing and profitable. Since the livestream I'm a bit disappointed in FCs so I'm off to do the other things I like to do in this marvelous galaxy.
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You need to use EDDB. This is today's high sale price and it's been hovering around this mark for ages. Sometimes it drops down as low as 1.1M.
I do enjoy the process of mining (visually stunning in VR) on occasion, usually for ONE cargo hold worth, and then I'm satiated for awhile. So perhaps between now and New Era I can still get my credits without grinding. Laser mining also is my favorite way of topping materials!
As a small ship miner (preferably Cobra Mk4) I have always wondered how core mining works in a large ship. Especially when it comes to using the abrasion blaster, do you skip this part or do you actually dance around the asteroid debris with your Vette?
It's not a trick question, I honestly never tried that (and it's hard to imagine how it would even work). But of course this gives me some ideas now what an FC could do for me. Maybe FCs are not so terribly useless after all (looks like I'm corrupting myself right now)...
Yes. The deceiving part turns out to the broken scale in non vr elite. I've only very rarely bumped into an asteroid in a large ship. What looks like a close distance drawn on normal displays actually relatively a long way away.. and this applies all around you apparently. Only recently, someone suggested that the limpets work much faster the closer to the asteroid you are.. this doesn't make much sense as the limpets enthusiastically zip back and forth though your hull.. but its always surprising how much further you have to go in before you actually kiss the asteroid. Try it. Yes definitely no problems with the abrasion blaster. Its a bit exciting for deep core but i can imagine you'd worry about hitting something in any ship going around that fast?
So if anything new data for you is the scale is defective for judging distances when you're in an asteroid field. The distance is much greater than it looks.
I'd guess most miners use third party tools like Inara or miner's tool (if they function again in the meantime). Personally I don't and thus refrain from maximising my profit. My approach is to start with looking for a decent selling place at first, and then I look for a mining spot nearby. As a small ship miner I depend on short transport routes to stay halfway profitable and finding core mining hotspots is trivial an adds a little exploration to the mining business.
By the way, one of the reasons why I stay away from third party tools is that this shouldn't work for too long due to the latest update, because prices should dramatically drop if many miners sell at the same station. I suspect that something is either broken or deliberately controlled by the devs so that they can create some kind of artificial CG - something I don't like at all and why I don't do that (but pirates do for sure!). Fortunately I know envy only from theory and don't mind if others are better. And then I'm not really keen on owning an FC either. I always prefer the way with the highest fun factor when in doubt, profit is secondary...
You might still want to use third party tools, but not in that way. The best sell locations are made up of multiple active minor faction states, and the galaxy map lets you only show one at a time, its near impossible to find the highest in theory in game. You don't have to cheat, but you need third party tools to play well. They very kindly changed the search field for minor faction state to allow multiple states when they added the dark mode so you can do this now.
What was it? Civil liberty + Investment + Pirate Attack? I started doing this myself but there's more to it, and i didn't have the interest at the time so just went back to cheating. Try those for specific station economies maybe.
EDIT: I just wrote up what to do, but there seems to be too many people looking for the best sell prices, and i haven't tested the demand bug myself to be that obvious about it. From all the information in this thread, there's enough clues to pull up a shortlist of about 20 stations on eddb.io that have good selling prices. Its not that hard
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I know i was mouthing off earlier but im pretty excited about getting one. Cartographics or no. Can't wait. I'll just keep quiet now.. maybe
It's Civil Liberty, Investment, Pirate attack, and sell at Tourism, Industrial, High Tech or Refinery (Oh, and make sure demand is good).
Careful with this knowledge, people will claim you're some hardcore champion of the Elite Dangerous universe, rising from all the burning ashes of noobs who don't know this, because it's such a raw display of gamer prowess...
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Wine and running through TNG as I get to 16bn. At the end of S2 right now. After TNG it's on to Voyager because I like saving DS9 for last.
I sold at Robigo at 1.5m yesterday. made myself two T6, one miner/refinery one longrange hauler. Worked wonderfully. getting About 80t of LTD in About 80 minutes. the 1000LJ -flight to Robigo and back needed some 20-30 minutes in Addition.
thinking About switching into 2 ASP Xs, for faster mining process. Will see.
thinking About switching into 2 ASP Xs, for faster mining process. Will see.
Where are you doing this? I'm averaging about 75 LTDs every hour.
My guess at the main fault is the lack of depth of field thats natural to human eyesight. eg if you use the external view on a cutter from one end, if the lore dimensions are to be believed the rear of the ship is distant enough to blur a bit at 200m away. But it doesnt, it looks like a kids toy right in front of you. The minimum locked fov being greater than realistic for humans doesn't help either. Oh yes and the insane speed of motion from instant doesn't help either. The common speeds start at out of the range of common experience.
lol. you are so hard. the joy comes from learning the bgs rules and the abilities you get from knowing them. the application of selling mining rocks is secondary and just the fruits of labor.
I guess by faster mining and collecting: more lasers/more collectors. With my slow T6 I get about 1to per Minute. I guess I could double this by using better Equipment (and thus thinking About the ASP X)
For what it's worth, since Borann is just two easy jumps away from my usual hangout, I decided to go out and just "sample the local cuisine" so to speak.
I still enjoy mining, and I still enjoy the mechanics, and I still think as an income source it's completely broken AF. I've got something like 80t of LTDs from a casual 1h mining, that's going to land me 140m easily enough. Nothing remotely competes with it as an income source.
I look back to things FD have nerfed due to the income they generated:
- "Seeking Luxuries", because a couple million an hour was excessive.
- Robigo slave runs, because around 12m an hour was considered excessive.
- Thargoid Cargoes, most of which (Excluding the probe and sensor) were worth 300k, and got nerfed down to just 20-30k each
- Ram Tah's mission nerfed down from 201m to 110m, for =~ 10 hours effort.
- Palin Missions nerfed
- Delivery missions nerfed and capped (because over 50m reward breaks the mission board, somehow).
- Mission stacking nerfed.
It just bewilders me how FD can do all that, then put something like the current mining system in-place, and then base the price of FCs based on that single income source. I mean, I was in agreeance with pretty much all those nerfs, but then this... it's just insanity.
They might as well just go back and undo all those nerfs to give other playstyles a fighting chance, because as broken as they were, they will barely make close to what mining does.
It has been nerfed in the last patch, it's just FD forgot to change the demand regeneration for LTDs so they as the single only mining commodity left still offer those high value prices for a stable and long time - if I understand what @Ian Doncaster writes correct. So I bet that gets fixed - of course only after carriers launch so again all people not jumping on the mining-grinding train now will be left behind.
Before LTD it was painite laser mining in double hotspots, which was even faster or at least less obvious exploity because there are hundreds of double hot spots out there, but I know of only two convenient triple LTD hot spots, Borann and one near Colonia...