[IDEA] What about a community driven "CMDRs to avoid" list..

[Silk]

reporting criminals, griefers and gankers to a Google doc so that you can avoid the area of these CMDRs in Open.

Now hear me out here. Let's just say that some Federal group based out of Eravate has created a tool in which CMDRs could report naughty CMDRs via an easy to use interface that would then directly feed into a public listing of known CMDRs to avoid in open and their group affiliations and *why* they were added to the list. Essentially this would be something like a bounty board that is free to use and is for pure informational purposes and will NOT put bounties on these players heads.

Of this new tool were to become public a few things would need to happen for it to be successful for us here on the ED forums:

- Avoid naming and shaming in the thread as per forum rules, the tool its self will not reveal these enemy CMDR names when you are submitting new entries.
- Understand the difference between piracy and griefing (such a definition will be given on the tool its self). We don't want pirates being reported as griefers.. We want them reported as pirates!
- This tool wouldn't exactly be for conflict zones or CG as those areas are meant for player conflict, but is meant more for player who are known for being negative interaction
- There will be moderation of false reports and a way to remove yourself from the list if you were put there in vein
- It would be important to get the correct spelling of the CMDR's name and his group affiliation and a good description on what happened and where. The ability to add evidence is also going to be added.

I am just preemptively poking around for ideas before I release this tool to you, the ED community so we can see how something like this would be an aid to players who are in open to avoid commanders that are known to do harm to others.

What do you guys think?

 

[49rTbird]

It is something to ponder on.

 

[Clicker]

Why not just list them in a criminals list in the in-game news feed, or Galnet?

Not sure but the top bounties are already shown there???

Clicker

 

[Silk]

Why not just list them in a criminals list in the in-game news feed, or Galnet?

Not sure but the top bounties are already shown there???

Clicker

That would be awesome, but It just isn't in the game. The top bounties does exist, but that is a system by system basis and this list will be a galaxy wide ctrl+f list that they can search on the fly.

 

[Faybs]

The idea is fine on principle, but it's going to be very hard to implement. For starters, take the two most controversial kinds of player, griefers and combat loggers. Depending on who you ask, any given cmdr could be a repeat offender or completely innocent - you'd be placing yourself right in the middle of that ball of wax. Also, you know the list is going to be used as a force multiplier in many personal vendettas - again, you just inserted yourself into a thousand playground dramas. My advice would be to add the list to the gameplay suggestions forum and let FD deal with it.

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That would be awesome, but It just isn't in the game. The top bounties does exist, but that is a system by system basis and this list will be a galaxy wide ctrl+f list that they can search on the fly.

Also, anarchy systems don't have a top bounties list.

 

[Silk]

The idea is fine on principle, but it's going to be very hard to implement. For starters, take the two most controversial kinds of player, griefers and combat loggers. Depending on who you ask, any given cmdr could be a repeat offender or completely innocent - you'd be placing yourself right in the middle of that ball of wax. Also, you know the list is going to be used as a force multiplier in many personal vendettas - again, you just inserted yourself into a thousand playground dramas. My advice would be to add the list to the gameplay suggestions forum and let FD deal with it.

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Also, anarchy systems don't have a top bounties list.

Good suggestions. This could be an issue, but AA already has MASSIVE list of enemy players and their affiliations that we can compare these lists and typically knows the player meta pretty well, but I see where you are getting at. Some moderation of course would be in order.

 

[TigerTen]

A CMDR black list, I love it - Please add me to it " CMDR TigerTen "...

 

[Jenner]

From the forum rules:

We do not allow naming and shaming discussions, or posted content deemed to be naming and shaming on the Frontier forums. Naming and Shaming is the act of publicly naming a person or a group of people, and/or ridiculing or accusing them of something. This also includes putting names on a blacklist in your signature, avatar, profile picture, visitor messages or within a thread.

I think this idea would fall into trouble with the bold part - no blacklists. Linking to a Google doc with said blacklist wouldn't get around this - it's still a blacklist in a thread on this forum.

 

[BigPappa]

I like the pro-active approach to this... I do foresee the challenge in that commanders and/or any incidents involved on that list (even if validated with screenshots, video, etc) could be subject to one's perspective and might lead to some interestings "he said/she said" type scenarios.

For instance, both of our groups... AA and Paladin Consortium, could absolutely be listed on there with "half the story" inaccurate pictures being painted by submitters claiming our groups were involved in "ganking" type activity. When in reality, we were simply responding "in-force" to provide security or protection for others. So then "we" would have to submit "our side" of the story... you can see where that would lead.

But believe me... I completely see where you're going with this idea... I don't have the answer but appreciate bringing awareness to something like this.

-Big Pappa

 

[Faybs]

I like the pro-active approach to this... I do foresee the challenge in that commanders and/or any incidents involved on that list (even if validated with screenshots, video, etc) could be subject to one's perspective and might lead to some interestings "he said/she said" type scenarios.

For instance, both of our groups... AA and Paladin Consortium, could absolutely be listed on there with "half the story" inaccurate pictures being painted by submitters claiming our groups were involved in "ganking" type activity. When in reality, we were simply responding "in-force" to provide security or protection for others. So then "we" would have to submit "our side" of the story... you can see where that would lead.

But believe me... I completely see where you're going with this idea... I don't have the answer but appreciate bringing awareness to something like this.

-Big Pappa

It is a pretty good idea, the problem is how to implement it. That's why I suggested that FD be the ones in charge of it, they get to define what's good behavior and what's bad, and they have logs of everything that happens so they can validate claims of bad behavior.

 

[DNA-Decay]

The Code have a bounty board for killing CMDRs.

Thats ts probably all you need.

 

[crushdepth]

Has more guns than me => leave now. Nice idea but too hard to maintain.

 

[Black Ops]

Now hear me out here. Let's just say that some Federal group based out of Eravate has created a tool in which CMDRs could report naughty CMDRs via an easy to use interface that would then directly feed into a public listing of known CMDRs to avoid in open and their group affiliations and *why* they were added to the list. Essentially this would be something like a bounty board that is free to use and is for pure informational purposes and will NOT put bounties on these players heads.

Of this new tool were to become public a few things would need to happen for it to be successful for us here on the ED forums:

- Avoid naming and shaming in the thread as per forum rules, the tool its self will not reveal these enemy CMDR names when you are submitting new entries.
- Understand the difference between piracy and griefing (such a definition will be given on the tool its self). We don't want pirates being reported as griefers.. We want them reported as pirates!
- This tool wouldn't exactly be for conflict zones or CG as those areas are meant for player conflict, but is meant more for player who are known for being negative interaction
- There will be moderation of false reports and a way to remove yourself from the list if you were put there in vein
- It would be important to get the correct spelling of the CMDR's name and his group affiliation and a good description on what happened and where. The ability to add evidence is also going to be added.

I am just preemptively poking around for ideas before I release this tool to you, the ED community so we can see how something like this would be an aid to players who are in open to avoid commanders that are known to do harm to others.

What do you guys think?

Silly idea.

I cleared my save(losing millions and a free viper mk iv in the process) and was back in a viper mark iv in a couple hours\, with a new name.

If I were a pirate..that's all I would need to mess up someone's day. I could be in a much larger ship in a couple days if I really try. My point is, anyone could clear/save, have a new name, and yarr away.

Such a list is pointless.

 

[Ginrikuzuma]

nasty can of worms being opened up



a blacklist is bound to be abused moderated or not and as was previously said clearing saves wouldn't be a problem.


stick to the report a player in the menu a black list is just asking for all sorts of messy problems.

 

[zxaber]

Silly idea.

I cleared my save(losing millions and a free viper mk iv in the process) and was back in a viper mark iv in a couple hours\, with a new name.

If I were a pirate..that's all I would need to mess up someone's day. I could be in a much larger ship in a couple days if I really try. My point is, anyone could clear/save, have a new name, and yarr away.

Such a list is pointless.

Assuming you have a trusted friend to transfer wealth, you could probably have a new name and an anaconda within an hour.

Anyway, false reports would be the real issue. The OP mentions it, but I think it was underestimated as to how much trouble a few people could cause. Presumably, the main reason "Naming and Shaming" is against forum rules is due to unverifiable claims (and the resulting witchhunting).

 

[kofeyh]

Yeah no.

It sounds likes a noble idea (aren't they all? not really no) but this isn't a solution; eventually it turns into a excrement-list type situation. How do you vet that those being added are actually guilty of crimes? It's pandora's box; and it's looking to replace a system that already exists in game - namely the report function.

Vigilante action isn't needed; such lists almost always contravene various rules for good reason. Never mind the potential legal ramifications in some jurisdictions (in the US, people could have a field day with suing for defamation and what not). Never mind other countries that have very strong laws on discrimination (because that's what theses lists actually do).

Frontier do need to improve the in-game tool, to better report incidents, and capture more useful information on why the person is being reported (eg being able to dump recent comms chatter into the form, if it contains racial, sexual abuse and so on, screenshots, etc). That's where the benefits can be had, because that ensures those performing actions that are actually an EULA violation, get the focus from the developer's support team, as they should.

And most importantly, in the end, these "lists" gain a life of their own and always, without exception, lead to discrimination, persecution, abuse and pretty much every single abominable treatment of one human being possible, by another.

INB4 "if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to be afraid of" is given as a valid counter-argument as though that legitimises anything.

 

[Hatchepsut]

No.
I would not mind having a way to report a player IN GAME .... if they spammed me or tried to sell me a game account with money and expensive ships in it.
But this does not seem to be an issue with ED ... and has been addressed in other games I play...

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

What do you guys think?

I think you should stick to protecting the newbies around Eravate.

 

[TheGrimCorsair]

Does the game have an easy way of muting other players? It's been awhile, but if it's there, then that's about all that's needed. As far a most wanted/most dangerous/be careful around these ones 'cause you're likely to end up a CMDR suit list, this needs to be something tied to the crime and punishment system in-game and not a player-curated out of game thing.

Basically, FDev needs to improve upon and expand how crime and punishment is handled, something they're aware of, and not let it turn into a player-run witch hunt.

....

...has anyone ever died of irony? Me being the one pointing this out feels a bit like tempting fate, to be honest.

 

[wagfeliz]

Sily idea.
The only lists that should exists :
1) In game list of the biguest bounties on the galaxy , a way to find the system where the pilot are , and a way to know when this pilot is online, so bounty hunters could try to hunt him.
2) An list here in the forum of cheaters, loggers etc, so we could look for banishment of those pilots.