Fd already had a go and apparently it only blocks comms. I agree its something fd should do. but having to add someone as a friend before you cam block them is crazy and not even being able to block another cmdr from you seing them only from comms is just stupid imho. look how long it took for fd to clarify that harassment is not acceptable, for the people that couldnt get their heads around the fact it was already in the eula/tos normal human behaviour. Maybe we will get an in game working block list in season ten but not holding my breath.
[IDEA] What about a community driven "CMDRs to avoid" list..
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Targeted harassment is not acceptable. True. With that being said, someone interdicting and killing you because they can is not actually harassment. What SDC did with the Mobius group was harassment. You and I coming across each other and me deciding you need to die because I don't like your paintjob is not harassment, that's just one unpleasant aspect of the game.
Now, if I killed you, went back to the station you spawned at, then proceeded to kill you and follow you around in-game to make sure you died as much as possible, that would be harassment. If it's just in passing though it's just a part of life, as bad as that may sound (not that I'd ever track you down and kill you or kill anyone because of their paint job).
Sole Hunter
Banned
nowadays most of people have no clue who is Darius johnson or what Goonswarm used to be back in the days.
What we did was not harassment and it was confirmed by FD's. Believe me when I say they investigated it so you can quit spreading misinformation. Don't turn this thread into another flame bait war. Let me remind you; we joined mobius and killed random cmdrs, we didn't target anybody specifically and we could have joined any other random private group. Mobius just happened to be more populated, that's the end of it.
Creating a black list with the intention to target specific cmdrs and make it public because you got killed or griefed in some way is harassment and i'm pretty sure it will break the TOS rules as anybody with bad intentions can block or purposely/specifically hunt and grief those individuals for what ever reason.
I understand there is no bad intention with this list but it just won't work very well with FD's forum rules and it be unlikely to be approved.
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Hmm not exactly. Maybe go back and read again?
Calm your mammary glands my friend, who harassed who is none of my concern nor will I ever lose sleep over it. All I remember is that SDC's foray into Mobius got Frontier talking about harassment. Then the forum scrubs took that term and applied it to every instance of "non-consensual" pvp and "but it's not fun for me!" bit of gameplay out there in an attempt to brand anyone who steps outside of the forum consensus as purveyors of Harassment. It's that second part that gets my goat a little bit.
I'm with you on your last thought though. Good intentions and all but there will never be a fair and friendly way to manage such a list. Ever.
I'm with you on your last thought though. Good intentions and all but there will never be a fair and friendly way to manage such a list. Ever.
Sole Hunter
Banned
I'm just trying to make it clear because I'm getting a bit tired of the same old yadiyada from 4 months ago about what we did when it's factually incorrect.
I understand ''Consensual'' pvp can be very fun if both party are respectful but unfortunately with the context and idea behind this black list there can be no consensual pvp. It will only take 1 bad apple and you get rammed into a station or witch hunted. I know what it feels like to be demonized. Hell! I get death threats in private message and called out on a daily basis for being affiliated with a certain group.
I just fail to understand how this list can be beneficial to the community especially when it's coming from a group who claim to be ''anti-griefing'' yet this list will reproduce the exact opposite effect.
This list clearly serve one man purpose for his own benefit.
just my 2 cents.
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Sometimes, the galaxy map should honestly have a little bit of an indicator of what's happening there, be it war, bust, intense crime, or if security is just at its highest or lowest points. 
I agree.
Killing and dieing is part of open. I have a type 6 I kept specifically for rares trading in open after meeting a proper gent of a pirate I decided open was still worth a look now and again.
Best I dont get started on my thoughts about people that invade pve groups to pvp people that activly opted out of pvp It wont end well.
You shouldn't even mention it.
I thought it had this.Sometimes, the galaxy map should honestly have a little bit of an indicator of what's happening there, be it war, bust, or if security is just at its highest or lowest points.
Maybe it's the system map but pretty sure this already exists.
It's only a click away...
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But the list will be independent of FD, on another website. FD have no control over it or any ability to determine whether people are using it.
Personally I think a website like http://www.fstdt.com/ would be good, but for griefers. People could upload pictures, videos, or post links to their posts on this forum or reddit so others can decide for themselves.
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My heart bleeds for you.
I think the reason behind no naming and shaming is because no matter how much moderation any list like this has, a commander could end up there solely because of dislike for the person behind the avatar, caused by various reasons, some genuine perhaps, and some vengeful, nefarious, trollingish and many other unacceptable reasons.
I have no truck with gankers and griefers, and pretty much despise any player who wishes to play the game with no regard for the misery they get pleasure from when messing up another players game. But you make lists like this and link to them, you will find the sort of player you are trying to guard against will always find ways to cause misery in and out of the game.
If you want to operate in a co-operative universe in a form of open that is friendly you would need to petition FD to make a second open group which has built in controls similar to other games, where friendly fire between players cannot happen, regardless of the immersion factor, such as a no PVP settable flag with a time limit that needs to be in operation after switching off the PVP element, for say five minutes after operation. You may then get people playing in open more and the open part of the game would improve. This flag would be designed so that it doesn't stop NPC's from forming attacks.
I would suggest leaving the present open group as is so that those who liked that style of play could indulge themselves, and we already have the PVP battlegrounds in the form of CQC areas. But good luck with that as ever since KS days some of us have warned how open would probably develop without controls of some kind and FD have ignored all requests for any control that would allow a truly co-operative open play.
So I feel your list would receive the same negativity from FD.
I have no truck with gankers and griefers, and pretty much despise any player who wishes to play the game with no regard for the misery they get pleasure from when messing up another players game. But you make lists like this and link to them, you will find the sort of player you are trying to guard against will always find ways to cause misery in and out of the game.
If you want to operate in a co-operative universe in a form of open that is friendly you would need to petition FD to make a second open group which has built in controls similar to other games, where friendly fire between players cannot happen, regardless of the immersion factor, such as a no PVP settable flag with a time limit that needs to be in operation after switching off the PVP element, for say five minutes after operation. You may then get people playing in open more and the open part of the game would improve. This flag would be designed so that it doesn't stop NPC's from forming attacks.
I would suggest leaving the present open group as is so that those who liked that style of play could indulge themselves, and we already have the PVP battlegrounds in the form of CQC areas. But good luck with that as ever since KS days some of us have warned how open would probably develop without controls of some kind and FD have ignored all requests for any control that would allow a truly co-operative open play.
So I feel your list would receive the same negativity from FD.
Sole Hunter
Banned
and that's why it's a garbage idea and no one is going to take it serious.
As I said a few pages back. Add ip addresses so people can block others they dont want to meet and it will work well enough that people will pay for it.
If there was an option to block griefers by group rather than individually even better. Even better if enough people used it
We would see tons of greifer salt as the people that dont want to play with the greifers would be pretty much be putting the greifers in their own private griefers open group on their own.
The community came up with trading tools as a work around to things where fd had not implemented as expected.
I see no reason that the community should not make an ignore list to replace fd's one that doesn't work yet.
Just a little workaround until fd fix their block list and start using shadow bans like they said they would on the dev diaries about how they would deal with greifing
All we need is a few volunteers with strong stomach's to go join the griefers groups and start collecting ip's for the list.
Of course you would, because this list wouldn't benefit you.
On a realistic note, we've had this tool running for about a month on our website and people have actually reported griefers, including yourself and your whereabouts to us.
You know, this reminds me of that kickstarter (#socialautopsy) that claimed it was supposed to prevent online harassment by basically creating an anonymous doxxing database.
Blacklists like this only lead to witch hunts perpetuated by false claims submitted by trolls and the butthurt.
Majinvash
Banned
Commander Debic Quote - I think the reason behind no naming and shaming is because no matter how much moderation any list like this has, a commander could end up there solely because of dislike for the person behind the avatar, caused by various reasons, some genuine perhaps, and some vengeful, nefarious, trollingish and many other unacceptable reasons.
I have no truck with gankers and griefers, and pretty much despise any player who wishes to play the game with no regard for the misery they get pleasure from when messing up another players game. But you make lists like this and link to them, you will find the sort of player you are trying to guard against will always find ways to cause misery in and out of the game.
If you want to operate in a co-operative universe in a form of open that is friendly you would need to petition FD to make a second open group which has built in controls similar to other games, where friendly fire between players cannot happen, regardless of the immersion factor, such as a no PVP settable flag with a time limit that needs to be in operation after switching off the PVP element, for say five minutes after operation. You may then get people playing in open more and the open part of the game would improve. This flag would be designed so that it doesn't stop NPC's from forming attacks.
I would suggest leaving the present open group as is so that those who liked that style of play could indulge themselves, and we already have the PVP battlegrounds in the form of CQC areas. But good luck with that as ever since KS days some of us have warned how open would probably develop without controls of some kind and FD have ignored all requests for any control that would allow a truly co-operative open play.
So I feel your list would receive the same negativity from FD.
I say lets this list happen, it could boarder on content.
I mean, it not like I will ever die unless I want to fight to the death anyway.
I regularly jump in Eravate, trigger the local SJW's, l send the majority of them running in 1v1's and just jump out when the wings try to get me.
I think the only times I have ever died there was in A4A when I was in starter ship builds, once in my fdl while trying to take on 3 BBFA at the same time and once when after making one of their guys run twice, he came back in his Corvette and I took him on to the death just cos lols.. All rebuys recovered in 20mins of Robigo.
Thank you FD for giving everyone an escape from every possible situation, resulting in no consequences for our actions!
This list wont do a thing but it might at least be fun and co-op play.
Imagine the traps we could set.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
I have no truck with gankers and griefers, and pretty much despise any player who wishes to play the game with no regard for the misery they get pleasure from when messing up another players game. But you make lists like this and link to them, you will find the sort of player you are trying to guard against will always find ways to cause misery in and out of the game.
If you want to operate in a co-operative universe in a form of open that is friendly you would need to petition FD to make a second open group which has built in controls similar to other games, where friendly fire between players cannot happen, regardless of the immersion factor, such as a no PVP settable flag with a time limit that needs to be in operation after switching off the PVP element, for say five minutes after operation. You may then get people playing in open more and the open part of the game would improve. This flag would be designed so that it doesn't stop NPC's from forming attacks.
I would suggest leaving the present open group as is so that those who liked that style of play could indulge themselves, and we already have the PVP battlegrounds in the form of CQC areas. But good luck with that as ever since KS days some of us have warned how open would probably develop without controls of some kind and FD have ignored all requests for any control that would allow a truly co-operative open play.
So I feel your list would receive the same negativity from FD.
I say lets this list happen, it could boarder on content.
I mean, it not like I will ever die unless I want to fight to the death anyway.
I regularly jump in Eravate, trigger the local SJW's, l send the majority of them running in 1v1's and just jump out when the wings try to get me.
I think the only times I have ever died there was in A4A when I was in starter ship builds, once in my fdl while trying to take on 3 BBFA at the same time and once when after making one of their guys run twice, he came back in his Corvette and I took him on to the death just cos lols.. All rebuys recovered in 20mins of Robigo.
Thank you FD for giving everyone an escape from every possible situation, resulting in no consequences for our actions!
This list wont do a thing but it might at least be fun and co-op play.
Imagine the traps we could set.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
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I would hope for such a tool to exist that there would be a requirement for proof that is viewed by those with access to add someone to the list - so people cannot just arbitarily add someone to the list without video, screenshot or audio proof and that said proof is verified.
Such a tool should essentially be 'read only' by the masses and they can post a 'potential problematic commander' but it will not go automatically on the list without a real person vetting the information given.
I am against such tools personally, blacklists, KOS lists etc etc... for me it is just another form of bullying and is often open to abuse...
If that is the road AA wish to take Silk, then that is just one more reason to feel that such 'groups' are just as bad as the 'other' groups they are trying to hinder...
Just my take on it as an independant pilot who has associated himself with a minor faction on the fringe of the inhabited region and enjoys playing in open for all it has to offer.
I would not like to end up on such a list because I attacked a player who was trying to cause problems in my home system for example... Nor would I want to wind up on such a list for role playing a pirate at a community goal as it is way to open to abuse....
If I pirate someone and they have cargo but refuse to drop and I damage their ship so they have to limp home with a large repair bill or if I inadvertantly kill them while doing that, and they decide to add me to the list, or if I am in a conflict zone and kill opposing commanders in that zone and get added to the list as a result, then in a few months time when I am out exploring or doing some other task such as mining for example and someone happens across me and decides I must die because I am on such a list, then all I can say is that your list would be essentially forcing players who interact with others (not griefing interactions mind you) to avoid such interactions and that could not be a good thing for open play could it?
Yes I understand the reasons why you are proposing such a list / tool but really please do consider the implications of someone not griefing etc being placed on that list without suitable evidence of their misdeeds
Such a tool should essentially be 'read only' by the masses and they can post a 'potential problematic commander' but it will not go automatically on the list without a real person vetting the information given.
I am against such tools personally, blacklists, KOS lists etc etc... for me it is just another form of bullying and is often open to abuse...
If that is the road AA wish to take Silk, then that is just one more reason to feel that such 'groups' are just as bad as the 'other' groups they are trying to hinder...
Just my take on it as an independant pilot who has associated himself with a minor faction on the fringe of the inhabited region and enjoys playing in open for all it has to offer.
I would not like to end up on such a list because I attacked a player who was trying to cause problems in my home system for example... Nor would I want to wind up on such a list for role playing a pirate at a community goal as it is way to open to abuse....
If I pirate someone and they have cargo but refuse to drop and I damage their ship so they have to limp home with a large repair bill or if I inadvertantly kill them while doing that, and they decide to add me to the list, or if I am in a conflict zone and kill opposing commanders in that zone and get added to the list as a result, then in a few months time when I am out exploring or doing some other task such as mining for example and someone happens across me and decides I must die because I am on such a list, then all I can say is that your list would be essentially forcing players who interact with others (not griefing interactions mind you) to avoid such interactions and that could not be a good thing for open play could it?
Yes I understand the reasons why you are proposing such a list / tool but really please do consider the implications of someone not griefing etc being placed on that list without suitable evidence of their misdeeds
No one is stopping anyone from making a 3rd party app or message board. Good luck keeping it clean of spam and false positives.