If it wasn't for CODE's presence at the CGs, Open play would die.

[Chip Patton]

That's not how it works though. If you have video evidence of somebody disappearingduring combat, the burden of proof shifts from you to the accused. It's then up to them to prove they were in fact not combat logging.
Refusing to provide evidence on the basis that it would be rejected in bad faith is a pretty common defense by people who made wild or outright false claims which they can't back up when asked to.

Whether the other side rejects your evidence on spurious grounds shouldn't matter, you've shifted the burden and it's then all up to them to provide counter evidence, which can then be evaluated by third parties.

No it doesn't. Providing a video on these forums is naming and shaming and results in a ban and the post deleted. Furthermore, to present packet logs of the accused is admitting to a federal offense in the USA called wire tapping.

Wait a second. Who the hell are these parrots? Seriously? Code has this many people in ED already? How in the hell do you sit there and dictate logic to me while, playing the special pleading fallacy as I've discussed for 2 pages with another one like you?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You question my method of managing a group and an official Ambassador/Head of PR department and expected me to not talk about political science? (Also one of my major)

I question your use of titles like "official Ambassador/Head of PR department" while being in a pirate group.

Should be Quarter Master in Charge of parleying with scurvy landlubbers or something like that.

I am heading into law school, so

this pirating business is like practise for your future career.

 

[CakeEngine]

Sometimes I wonder why I am thousands of Lightyears away from the "bubble" and suddenly feel lonely.
Sometimes I get the feeling, that I've been missing out on lots of content and even more on the community.
Sometimes I stroll the forums and stumble upon threads like this one.
Sometimes I take the time to read all comments and butter my popcorn with those double standards, strawman fallicies and 'the grass is always greener' syndromes.
Sometimes this galaxy is just not big enough.
I wonder what lies behind the second star to right...

 

[Chip Patton]

Sorry if I'm butting in, I know you two have been carrying on this conversation for a while now but...

And from the Hutton incident, and the amount of outrage that occurred on the forum, FD still did nothing. Not saying that it's any sign of approval or disapproval, but they did nothing.

This is a null argument. FD has to date yet to take any action against a player that anyone is aware of (by all means though, if you are aware of any actions, I'm all ears... err eyes). There are no tears anywhere of "I got banned" and one would expect the occasional false positive at the very least. But, there is nothing and basing my assertion from a statistical standpoint of the false-positive theory, there are no actions being taken, or those actions are so few or so soft-handed, that it is irrelevant. Expecting FD to do anything disciplinary wise, except in these forums, is like expecting a pot of water to jump off the table and run away with your bacon. Makes no sense, empty rhetoric -- case in point.

 

[Gédéon_Lecanard]

Wait a second. Who the hell are these parrots? Seriously? Code has this many people in ED already?

They make a big talking subject of themselves, and tend to spam every thread including references to piracy and such. That, coupled with online griefing, tend to put them under the spotlights and make them shiny and admirable for the weak minded and the sheeps. And sheeps are very vocal too. That explains their more than reasonnable presence on the forums.

 

[Chip Patton]

I question your use of titles like "official Ambassador/Head of PR department" while being in a pirate group.

Should be Quarter Master in Charge of parleying with scurvy landlubbers or something like that.


this pirating business is like practise for your future career.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Warning is necessary before posts like this... *heads to kitchen to get paper towels to clean Coke off the monitor*.

So much win.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Please keep your posts on topic. Long walls of text about philosophy or he said/she said are not promoting the discussion of the Op in any way.

Thank you.

 

[Lupis]

Originally Posted by GluttonyFang
And from the Hutton incident, and the amount of outrage that occurred on the forum, FD still did nothing. Not saying that it's any sign of approval or disapproval, but they did nothing.

Funnily If FD did crack down on any player group said group would raise a massive upraor.

They'd cry about them being singled out and how it's unfair.

 

[Chip Patton]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/images.elite/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by GluttonyFang https://forums.frontier.co.uk/images.elite/buttons/viewpost-right.png
And from the Hutton incident, and the amount of outrage that occurred on the forum, FD still did nothing. Not saying that it's any sign of approval or disapproval, but they did nothing.

Funnily If FD did crack down on any player group said group would raise a massive upraor.

LOL I see what you did there.

 

[Midnight Sun]

Going back to the title of this thread just for a moment: "If it wasn't for CODE's presence at the CGs, Open play would die."

I would just like to say that, as a long-time player of EVE, I had some concerns about certain player groups when I was deciding whether or not to purchase this game.

Are the goons in it? "Not ruining THE game, just YOUR game."
How about CODE? "We've got a CODE and we're NOT going to use it."

Then I discovered that the game had a solo mode and thus my concerns were in fact, irrelevant. To claim that CODE and their like are beneficial to Open or even the game itself, is from my point of view really quite amusing.

 

[bootsam]

If it wasn't for their self publicity and spin doctoring, I'd would have never heard of them. I await their next publicity seeking moment. Will they appear on Huttons Got Talent or Strictly Come Open? Will we see GF tap dancing with a cane or belting out Whitney Houston hits. Which one of Ian, Brett or Robert will role play the Simon Cowell role? Tune in next week for more stunts and shenanigans from The Code.

 

[Jukelo]

No it doesn't. Providing a video on these forums is naming and shaming and results in a ban and the post deleted. Furthermore, to present packet logs of the accused is admitting to a federal offense in the USA called wire tapping.

Wait a second. Who the hell are these parrots? Seriously? Code has this many people in ED already? How in the hell do you sit there and dictate logic to me while, playing the special pleading fallacy as I've discussed for 2 pages with another one like you?

I'm not a member of CODE but false accusations tend to irritate me, regardless of where they're coming from and towards whom.

If FD's naming and shaming rules prevent you from posting them on the forums, then I'm sorry but you have no business making accusations here, since you can not provide evidence. I'll agree with you if you say that blows, but that's how it is. If you have accusations of combat logging to make, take them to reddit and/or (preferably) directly to Frontier who are the ones able to take punitive actions.
Never said anything about you presenting packet logs of the accused though: as I said, in my book video evidence is enough to at least start an inquiry into the matter if not shift the burden, and I'm sure FD have the tools at that point to figure out what happened.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

sound familiar? FD should stop pandering and step in before ED open goes the way of eve.

OPEN may go somewhat the way of EVE, but so long as there are private groups and solo sharing the same universe, which has been promised time and time again from the devs is not up for change, then ED as a whole can never go that way imo.

IF I have to give up on open, fully that would be a shame, but I am confident the game itsself is safe

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Any group who start to dominate the forums and make you play their way is not a good thing.
Eve online Code : Jamess336 ( or whatever it was) the saviour of highsec
ED code: CODE saviour of open play

And they're sporting the voice of Open Play.

I'd say the Messiah complex is comparable. Although my psychology credentials aren't anywhere to be found, I can say this with some authority, since I suffer from the same condition.

All your forum sins are belong to me.

 

[Gédéon_Lecanard]

what midnight sun said and....

Any group who start to dominate the forums and make you play their way is not a good thing.
Eve online Code : Jamess336 ( or whatever it was) the saviour of highsec
ED code: CODE saviour of open play

sound familiar? FD should stop pandering and step in before ED open goes the way of eve.

I'm not familiar with Eve but there's a difference, I think: groups. Those are technically open play. The concept looks a bit limited at first, but when we look at, say, Mobius, it's obvious that this sort of group could very well be "open" by its own right. Open play rid of the nuisance of code and the likes.

 

[Vasious]

I'm not a member of CODE but false accusations tend to irritate me, regardless of where they're coming from and towards whom.

If FD's naming and shaming rules prevent you from posting them on the forums, then I'm sorry but you have no business making accusations here, since you can not provide evidence. I'll agree with you if you say that blows, but that's how it is. If you have accusations of combat logging to make, take them to reddit and/or (preferably) directly to Frontier who are the ones able to take punitive actions.
Never said anything about you presenting packet logs of the accused though: as I said, in my book video evidence is enough to at least start an inquiry into the matter if not shift the burden, and I'm sure FD have the tools at that point to figure out what happened.

Well said

 

[Cody]

... but so long as there are private groups and solo sharing the same universe, which has been promised time and time again from the devs is not up for change...

Hmm... no comment!

 

[Ian Phillips]

All your forum sins are belong to me.

Really Ziggy? Where did I leave that 'Big Book of Forum Infractions" ?

BRB

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Really Ziggy? Where did I leave that 'Big Book of Forum Infractions" ?

BRB

*assumes crucifix position*

Here we go again

Hmm... no comment!

Wow. The forum just divided by zero.

 

[Vasious]

Going back to the title of this thread just for a moment: "If it wasn't for CODE's presence at the CGs, Open play would die."

I would just like to say that, as a long-time player of EVE, I had some concerns about certain player groups when I was deciding whether or not to purchase this game.

Are the goons in it? "Not ruining THE game, just YOUR game."
How about CODE? "We've got a CODE and we're NOT going to use it."

Then I discovered that the game had a solo mode and thus my concerns were in fact, irrelevant. To claim that CODE and their like are beneficial to Open or even the game itself, is from my point of view really quite amusing.

I wouldn't say that Open would die without then, but they have had some positive impacts
I did miss the thrill of getting in and out of the Lave cluster in a Type 7 Laden with rares.

But the same could be said for a lot of Player groups, that their efforts add to the open experience, which I think is the spirit of the OPs message.
I mean when was the last time my group did anything that wasn't self serving.... a while shamefully