If someone from Fdev streams themselves unlocking all the Guardian tech. I will eat my eye patch.
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Fdev brought it on themselves.
And yet this is the thread that got a response. If you can call it that.
LMAO what????
If they remotely believed in their product or their implementation of these missions, they would jump at the opportunity to take the community up on the challenge.
We'd raise money for charity, and either they would show us how it's done in a fun way, or come to the realisation that this is very poor game design.
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The only reason we'd respond with scorn if all they did was say they'd reduce the grind, is that we've seen what that means. It means replace the grind.
Were they to actually do it, instead. Cut down the amount of times needed to re log and repeat the same thing over and over. It would not be met by scorn but largely by heaped praise and understanding.
The number of people who would have some modicum of faith restored in the team would far out weigh the few who would complain about such a welcomed change.
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Think about the company policy for where you work (if you do/did) and what it says about abusive customers, it'll probably be along the lines of refer to customer services and pretty much nothing else. Then bear in mind Rafe Zetters posted in this thread and he's threatening FDEV with things like trading standards, that'll be a definite say nothing and refer to legal department.
Unless you improve the way you communicate you will never get a reply.
Unless you improve the way you communicate you will never get a reply.
Okay, but we are only responsible for our own behavior; we cannot control/police the community who uses this forum as that's the job of our moderators and community managers. I assure you the latter are mature adults who are able to sort through posts to find those that are useful and those which aren't.
Sorry guys, but if anything is going to happen then it's a few numbers that will get tweaked for 3.1 or one of the following updates.
I wouldn't expect anything more.
I wouldn't expect anything more.
Well engineering was significantly changed just recently - and made much more accessible with material traders etc - so fundamental changes can happen. And engineering was never as poorly designed to begin with as this Guardian unlocking mechanics IMHO..
It's a trend I've noticed, when things are going their way and they're getting their ego's stroked, they're all over this place like fleas on a dog.
As soon as there are contentious issues they disappear like the mist on a summers morn.
Human nature I suppose, can't say I blame them, but unprofessional imho, learn to take the rough with the smooth.
Well that's all we need isn't it?
Change a 12 turn grind for two weapon's blueprints into 2 turns,.........done, etc. etc.
I think the design was fine, wasn't it? There's a puzzle to solve. The problem seems to be FDev only made one puzzle you need to do between 18 and 40 times or something. A sperate puzzle from each site (giving clues to another peice of the story later on) would have been a lot better but they're making the game they want to play, not us
I think it'd be great if they simply said that they took the feedback in, and as a result they are changing either the way blueprints are obtained, or have put it back to 3 blueprints obtained per "one" collected, just like all other data and materials. It wouldn't be the first time either, looking back all the way to the 2.1.05 patch notes:
There's no question that not everyone will be pleased, but the general aim should be to please as many people as possible. Given the threads on this issue (and others), there's room for more improvement to be made. As for scorn, who would do so, and do you think that scorn would be any worse than the threads we have going now? Personally, I don't think so...
Well...
This thread appeared quite some time after the first one (the more constructive one). I guess that some people can get irritated when stuff
like this goes unadressed, while nerfing stuff can be done on a dime all whilst FD fly in silent running.
It's very unlikely that such thread will poof away unless the design philosophy moves away from laying a thick layer of grind on everything in the coming updates.
Which does sound unlikely given the track record.
It doesn't matter, if FDEV have any sense (and I think they do) they'll have a don't go there policy for any threads like this one.
That doesn't mean it's not a useful thread, it's just useful in a different way by giving people a place to blow off steam.
The thing with "nerfs" if they are even that is that all it is is a change to a number. The personal narative is no where near a personal narative. Even if they reduced it to once or twice it wouldn't be a part of a personal narative. The hole concept needs to be revised and looked at.
Again it is a case of great idea, dreadful implementation, just like powerplay.
I think the design was fine, wasn't it? There's a puzzle to solve. The problem seems to be FDev only made one puzzle you need to do between 18 and 40 times or something. A sperate puzzle from each site (giving clues to another peice of the story later on) would have been a lot better but they're making the game they want to play, not us
I thought of a good analogy on my walk to work...
If I'm tasked with getting 8 bolts at the hardware store, what we have now in the game, is effectively "you need 8 bolts, so go take a trip to the store, get one, pay for it, come back, go to the store again, buy one bolt, come back, and repeat until you have 8 bolts"
What would make far more sense is if it was "Well, this complex machine requires 8 different bolts, that 8 separate stores carry, so you'll need to go to X store for this bolt, Y store for this other bolt, and so on..."
If I was told to do the first one, I'd laugh and just buy all 8 bolts in one go to the store, however in the game we can't do that, we're stuck with repeating the same task 8 times.
Anyways, I know that dead horse has been beaten over and over, but I thought the analogy just helped drive home the insanity a bit more.
I'm in agreement that the puzzle, the feel of the structures, all of it is top notch.
That makes sense, no point for them to even have the chance of getting into 'discussions' with players like that.
Personally that's where I see the feedback forums as a good potential for the devs to get constructive feedback on missions/etc in the game as the mods keep things cleaned up, though that'd be a big undertaking, it'd be a lot easier than reading thru all these threads.
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