I certainly don't expect a lone Sidewinder to be able to compete head on with an Anaconda. The sidewinder has the option of disengaging from the fight. When the Eagle encounters a Viper/Cobra, it doesn't have anything to avoid being destroyed. It can't fight, can't run and certainly doesn't have the toughness to withstand incoming fire until help arrives. That makes for a very dull game as the more expensive ship can simply toy with it.
If you could, how would you rebalance your ships in game?
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Sidewinder: It's the basic beginner ship and just a victim - like it should be.
Eagle: It costs almost nothing - I would not buff it because other ships would be less of an improvement.
Viper: I still remember the Beta 1 Viper - what a beast! Still don't know why it was nerfed so heavily. At least it should be still the fastest ship.
Cobra: I feel it's too much. It's an allrounder for little money that can excel in almost everything - except pure combat. Although it is capable of, other ships outclasses them in terms of firepower/tankability. But they cost a lot more. Imo it's too fast and can take too much damage.
Asp: I think it's well balanced for its' price. It can do everything, from exploring to pure combat. Perfect hardpoint allocation, but weak shields to not overpower it.
Python: Haven't flown it yet, but from what I read/seen and its' stats - impressive. The bigger brother of the Asp, very expensive but extremely strong shields and a nice combination and allocation of hardpoints. Good allrounder/fighter
Anaconda: I think it's well balanced. It's very powerful, can shoot in almost every direction with turrets, not easy to kill - but can't kill easily by himself. If you're not using turrets you're vulnerable but have more focused fire. But often you have one chance: they'll run if you take down their shields in 0.5 seconds and you cannot follow.
Hauler: I would say a little bit more cargo would be nice. Right now the Cobra is your upgrade til you get to the Type-6 as a trader. Nothing in between
Type-6: Good price, good ability of earning credits.
Type-7: Although it seems to be a medium ship it's a large one, crippling its' ability to earn credits somewhat.
Type-9: If you find a efficient trade route (not too much jumps etc) its' the grinders dream. It shts credits.
Fed. Dropship: Never flown it, never seen it in a video - no opinion.
Imperial Clipper: Almost useless, every role has a better ship. Can't fight properly, Type-7 has almost same profit without rep. gain (time that could be used to trade), mediocre jump-range for explorers, never tried mining. Although it's by far the best looking ship for me
All in all I would say the balancing is overall pretty good, some details should be adjusted. On the other hand some of the upcoming ships may fill the gaps existing right now.
Eagle: It costs almost nothing - I would not buff it because other ships would be less of an improvement.
Viper: I still remember the Beta 1 Viper - what a beast! Still don't know why it was nerfed so heavily. At least it should be still the fastest ship.
Cobra: I feel it's too much. It's an allrounder for little money that can excel in almost everything - except pure combat. Although it is capable of, other ships outclasses them in terms of firepower/tankability. But they cost a lot more. Imo it's too fast and can take too much damage.
Asp: I think it's well balanced for its' price. It can do everything, from exploring to pure combat. Perfect hardpoint allocation, but weak shields to not overpower it.
Python: Haven't flown it yet, but from what I read/seen and its' stats - impressive. The bigger brother of the Asp, very expensive but extremely strong shields and a nice combination and allocation of hardpoints. Good allrounder/fighter
Anaconda: I think it's well balanced. It's very powerful, can shoot in almost every direction with turrets, not easy to kill - but can't kill easily by himself. If you're not using turrets you're vulnerable but have more focused fire. But often you have one chance: they'll run if you take down their shields in 0.5 seconds and you cannot follow.
Hauler: I would say a little bit more cargo would be nice. Right now the Cobra is your upgrade til you get to the Type-6 as a trader. Nothing in between
Type-6: Good price, good ability of earning credits.
Type-7: Although it seems to be a medium ship it's a large one, crippling its' ability to earn credits somewhat.
Type-9: If you find a efficient trade route (not too much jumps etc) its' the grinders dream. It shts credits.
Fed. Dropship: Never flown it, never seen it in a video - no opinion.
Imperial Clipper: Almost useless, every role has a better ship. Can't fight properly, Type-7 has almost same profit without rep. gain (time that could be used to trade), mediocre jump-range for explorers, never tried mining. Although it's by far the best looking ship for me
All in all I would say the balancing is overall pretty good, some details should be adjusted. On the other hand some of the upcoming ships may fill the gaps existing right now.
The Eagle is crap, but I think it's perfectly balanced as is.
It's cheap, it does fight better than any less expensive ship and it's quite competent against NPCs. Once the larger ships have hangars, the Eagle may well be the heaviest/largest ship that things like the Anaconda can carry.
Giving it 100+ m/s more speed (what it needs to be the fastest ship) would change the entire dynamic of the game. It would be utterly untouchable and would dominate every ship smaller (and quite probably other) than, a Python in combat.
These would negate each other, as it would be easier to stay in the blind spots of these large ships, making more accurate turrets only able to deal damage during insertion.
Better modules are generally supposed to be near straight upgrades, so I don't really like this one.
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Agree so far.
Except one point: W&T way too much. Should be reduced, as the ASP upkeep is quite expensive when using as explorer.
Simple, Make it like the original.
Fit what you like, how you like, shield gens sold in single units, buy as many as you like.
Want a massive drive? You got it, at the price of cargo.
That sort of thing.
Imagine being able to fit a massive drive in a tiny ship, then ping over a hundred light years in it?
"The good old days".
Fit what you like, how you like, shield gens sold in single units, buy as many as you like.
Want a massive drive? You got it, at the price of cargo.
That sort of thing.
Imagine being able to fit a massive drive in a tiny ship, then ping over a hundred light years in it?
"The good old days".
Big ships have to turn way slower. This is the disadvantage of mass. The smaller the ship, the better you can accelerate and turn. Think of the Anaconda as a naval Frigatte. It has superior firepower but turns and accelerates like a bicycle without wheels.
If bigger ships have disadvantages (which they don't currently besides the price), smaller ships will gain their true value in combat. You don't fly a Python/Anaconda and be better in everything. If they turn as fast as they currently do (even FA off has to incorporate inertia), they always fly belly down.
With two or three Eagles in a wing, an Anaconda is history.
The Viper is good as it is, the Sidewinder, too. Ships have to be specialized and not diversified in Elite. If everyship is good in every aspect, it only is a way of forcing players to ugrade. If every ship has its strength and weakness, even a Sidewinder or Eagle will be valuable and needed.
But again, with the current progress of the game mechanics and target audience, I don't think there won't be any incentitive to make things right.
If bigger ships have disadvantages (which they don't currently besides the price), smaller ships will gain their true value in combat. You don't fly a Python/Anaconda and be better in everything. If they turn as fast as they currently do (even FA off has to incorporate inertia), they always fly belly down.
With two or three Eagles in a wing, an Anaconda is history.
The Viper is good as it is, the Sidewinder, too. Ships have to be specialized and not diversified in Elite. If everyship is good in every aspect, it only is a way of forcing players to ugrade. If every ship has its strength and weakness, even a Sidewinder or Eagle will be valuable and needed.
But again, with the current progress of the game mechanics and target audience, I don't think there won't be any incentitive to make things right.
I totally disagree.
1) No need in 100+ speed increase. Only 30+. Currently fully outfitted Eagle with armor can go up to 369 m/s. So 30+ will make it move as fast as Viper. Also moving at such speed will greatly decrease maneuverability. So at 50% of speed it still will be most maneuverable ship.
2) It will dominate nothing. With firepower Eagle has he can't kill anything (fully otfited) bigger than viper if other pilot just warps away. In the same time viper or cobra can easily stop Eagle from jumping, and something with railguns can one shot it through all A grade shields and reactive armor while Eagle trying to get distance to jump.
In my opinion it is very logical that big ships cant hit or move as fast as small agile fighters, but in the same time small agile fighters don't have enough firepower to kill them.
I don't think the Eagle should be as fast as Viper, since Viper is designed for high speed. However, I do think that Eagle shouldn't be left in the dust in that department either. It should have a speed close to that of the Viper, but slightly slower. A slight increase in top and boost speed will do nicely. Agility means nothing if your opponent can simply fly out of your gun range, turn around and blow you to smithereens in a single pass with superior speed, shield, armor and firepower. Maneuverability only counts when you can stay in range of your target.
I also think ship prices should have some adjustment, mainly the Eagle should be more expensive to procure if rebalanced.
Only out of inexperience.
This is boost speed.
My combat Viper can boost to 415 (and with a few tweaks I can get this to 420+), and my combat Cobra can surpass 450. The Eagle needs about 100 m/s more if you want to secure it's position as the fastest ship in the game.
It's firepower is much less than the Cobra or Viper, but making it the fastest ship in the game without handicapping it in other ways would allow it to apply that firepower well enough to down even well equipped Cobra and Vipers quickly enough.