I'm losing faith in the 10yr plan.

[WeirdWizard]

Yay, another forums' doom thread!
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Widely regarded as one of the best VR games available

I know let's just shout down anyone who has anything critical to say about ED eh. We'll just call them all doom mongers and claim they said the game was dying to try and undermine them. That's a great idea, can't possibly go wrong.

Even if this was a doom thread how is posting in it going to help it go away?!

As for ED being widely regarded as one of the best VR games available, all I can tell you is that ED is okay in VR but has a number of issues with it's design and implementation that on the current hardware really let it down. It's hardly outstanding compared to some of the awesome VR games around which work far better and more intuitively.

 

[babelfisch]

There isn't really a 10 year plan, FD have said they could go 10 years with the lore and stuff they *want* to put into the game.

But David Braben said he wanted to keep the game going as long as *possible* which basically depends on how many people continue to play and buy the expansion's, the income vs cost and the popularity of the game.

If the popularity of the game goes down the pan, so will the ten year plan.

It's basic business, if something is no longer working and profitable, then you stop doing it!

Everyone knows that. It's not what people are talking about when they say 10-year plan, it's just your wrong interpretation.

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I know let's just shout down anyone who has anything critical to say about ED eh. We'll just call them all doom mongers and claim they said the game was dying to try and undermine them. That's a great idea, can't possibly go wrong.

Even if this was a doom thread how is posting in it going to help it go away?!

As for ED being widely regarded as one of the best VR games available, all I can tell you is that ED is okay in VR but has a number of issues with it's design and implementation that on the current hardware really let it down. It's hardly outstanding compared to some of the awesome VR games around which work far better and more intuitively.

It's all doom mongers VS fanboys. I'd like to have a different community but sadly that's not possible unless people start to listen to each other and stop posting nonsense at the same time.

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There is no 10 year plan.

There is a plan for 4 seperate content packs that will be delivered each of which fulfills a portion of the original plan. From ships to legs to planetary landings.

There was no time frame given and only an estimate of one season/installment per year. Although that was not promised and was an estimate only.

So they have anywhere from 4 years plus to deliver 4 complete content packs of some kind. All David said was he would like to still be enhancing and making this game better 10 years from now. He didnt say it was going to take 10 years to deliver the original concepts final product.

Again, that's your wrong interpretation of what people mean when they are talking about the ten year plan.

 

[Zambrick]

Everyone knows that. It's not what people are talking about when they say 10-year plan, it's just your wrong interpretation.

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It's all doom mongers VS fanboys. I'd like to have a different community but sadly that's not possible unless people start to listen to each other and stop posting nonsense at the same time.

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Again, that's your wrong interpretation of what people mean when they are talking about the ten year plan.

There is the word "Ten", "Year", and "Plan". 10 is an amount or number a way to count individual or multiple objects. A year is a length of time Human invented to contain the seasons we experience. A plan is an agenda/idea with a definitive course of action to be followed in order to complete the agenda/idea.

I dont know how else to interpret 3 words other than their meanings.

If this is some stupid attempt at a current Meme or other such internet drivel, then I could care less. I dont keep up on the current mediacentric A.D.D. crap that the current "In" crowd might be using this week.

Sounding witty and smart seems to be more important at this time than actually being witty or smart in reality. Buzz words and concepts are a sickness of this generation and are only used as a defense mechanism to make themselves sound relevant.

So use your words and say what you mean, not what you think it means.

 

[babelfisch]

There is the word "Ten", "Year", and "Plan". 10 is an amount or number a way to count individual or multiple objects. A year is a length of time Human invented to contain the seasons we experience. A plan is an agenda/idea with a definitive course of action to be followed in order to complete the agenda/idea.

I dont know how else to intemperate 3 words other than their meanings.

If this is some stupid attempt at a current Meme or other such internet drivel, then I could care less. I dont keep up on the current mediacentric A.D.D. crap that the current "In" crowd might be using this week.

Sounding witty and smart seems to be more important at this time than actually being witty or smart in reality. Buzz words and concepts are a sickness of this generation and are only used as a defense mechanism to make themselves sound relevant.

So use your words and say what you mean, not what you think it means.

I am already trying to sound witty and smart in your eyes, no reason to explain anything, you already made your mind up. Just read your own post if you want to see some defense mechanisms.

To clarify: Making it personal just because I think you are interpreting something someone said wrong is the real sickness of this generation.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Man i thought it was a 100 year plan. Was really looking forward to playing this game for the next 100 years. I am disapointed now.

 

[Soliluna]

I know let's just shout down anyone who has anything critical to say about ED eh. We'll just call them all doom mongers and claim they said the game was dying to try and undermine them. That's a great idea, can't possibly go wrong.

Even if this was a doom thread how is posting in it going to help it go away?!

As for ED being widely regarded as one of the best VR games available, all I can tell you is that ED is okay in VR but has a number of issues with it's design and implementation that on the current hardware really let it down. It's hardly outstanding compared to some of the awesome VR games around which work far better and more intuitively.

After playing almost all the VR experiences going I can name very few that I would consider better. Project Cars and Assetto Corsa are the two that spring to mind.

But I don't think they have necessarily done anything that makes it good - it's the seated position that lends itself to the good experiences.

 

[Zallibik]

Just because I can't rep you twice.
E : D does well if you don't read the depressing Dangerous forums. I think some people would complain watever we've had, and I do hope FDev doesn't pay too much attention to these threads...

yeah people are gonna complain whatever, IMO the Engineers was BY FAR the best addition to this game yet, other than planetary landings.

 

[WeirdWizard]

After playing almost all the VR experiences going I can name very few that I would consider better. Project Cars and Assetto Corsa are the two that spring to mind.

But I don't think they have necessarily done anything that makes it good - it's the seated position that lends itself to the good experiences.

Personally I find the room scale stuff generally better and more engaging, though it helps that they tend to be designed explicitly for VR too. But for seated experiences, War Thunder, project cars, Eurotruck and Subnautica are all great experiences. ED I just found, underwhelming. Issues with readability of displays, poor frame rates in and near stations, lack of innovations with the controls and interface (beyond the pop up when looked at windows) and an almost unusable galaxy map made it all feel much clunkier than other games. I just don't think it works that great in VR. It would be better in 3d vision on a good 3d monitor than with the HMD on, but I don't think they ever got that working either. CQC on the other hand is amazing in VR, at least it is when I can get a game.

 

[NMS]

I do not know what the plan is in years for this game.

I just know that if it does not have some new content (not combat-oriented) that's really worth, i will not return to play it.

 

[Soliluna]

Personally I find the room scale stuff generally better and more engaging, though it helps that they tend to be designed explicitly for VR too. But for seated experiences, War Thunder, project cars, Eurotruck and Subnautica are all great experiences. ED I just found, underwhelming. Issues with readability of displays, poor frame rates in and near stations, lack of innovations with the controls and interface (beyond the pop up when looked at windows) and an almost unusable galaxy map made it all feel much clunkier than other games. I just don't think it works that great in VR. It would be better in 3d vision on a good 3d monitor than with the HMD on, but I don't think they ever got that working either. CQC on the other hand is amazing in VR, at least it is when I can get a game.

Yeah Euro Truck (and American Truck) were phenomenal, my only issue was that no matter what I tried I couldn't eliminate the judder that would come in the bigger cities. My computer was likely the culprit which is why I've shelved the idea of VR until hardware catches up with it. ED has some glaring issues with VR but I can't see them being resolved without some hefty work being focused into it - and lets face it, that is not going to happen while VR is a niche product. CQC is excellent in VR - if they focused on CQC being a VR product and put some VR work into it that could transfer to the main game I would be very pleased.

I couldn't get War Thunder to work sadly, I will probably try it again in a few years when I consider VR viable on mid range hardware (or find the money to buy some performance hardware).

 

[SnowyNI]

Yay, another forums' doom thread!

Playerbase according to the publicly available stats (i.e. Steam only) looks fine to me:
http://i.imgur.com/yi8xzsN.png
Courtesy of SteamDB and SteamCharts.

To summarise:

• A record 5 months straight of daily concurrent peaks above 5k
• Sunday had the #13 highest ever concurrent Steam playerbase of ~12k, and the #6 highest outside of a FDev/Steam sale
• Into the 6th straight month of ~4k average Steam CMDRs per hour
• Massive public response from gamers, following the Thargoids news on the Games Reddit (#10 highest post ever) and in the gaming media (citing the ED & Games Reddits in most cases)
• 2.2.03 is in beta, going live this month
• 2.3 expected February/March
• Widely regarded as one of the best VR games available
• PS4 port in Q2 (Apr-Jun), hopefully with PSVR coming Soon™

Yep, Elite Dangerous is dead

Another one that needs to git gud at reading... no1 is saying its doomed, we're saying it's lost it's way (ie. it's becoming shi-omething!), if it was doomed none of us would be here. It just needs help (imo) and less players with their heads in the sand.

I also think a large part of the problem is high horse syndrome, where they answer only to the shareholders and players don't matter or have no say (or so it feels) yet both needs each other (They want money, we want a playable game that isn't naff).

 

[lysan]

You know, I'd love it if we had a "feature complete" version of the game; right here, right now. The reality, though, is that our two options were to go with the route Frontier have chosen-namely an iterative development over a multi-year time frame, or waiting 6+ years for the game to be finished, prior to it ever getting released.

Every day, I am thankful that they went with the first option. I can also honestly say that I have *not* lost hope at all. This game already has tons more content than what it did at this time last year, & a megaton more than in January of 2015. At that level of improvement, I have high hopes for what the game will look like in January 2018 (I'm thinking Cave systems, making planetfall on bodies with trace atmospheres, additional SRV's, the ability to call in favours with Factions & Powers etc etc).

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From what I've been reading in the 2.2.03 Beta thread, I'm getting the impression that Power-Play is getting some pretty hefty list of improvements.....given that it's not a major update. I'm hoping 2.3 and/or 2.4 will build on that, by creating a clearer link between factions and powers within the game.

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You forgot 6-expansion of the passenger mission mechanics .

Yeah sorry forgot about that one, but you reminded me thank you

 

[Zambrick]

I am already trying to sound witty and smart in your eyes, no reason to explain anything, you already made your mind up. Just read your own post if you want to see some defense mechanisms.

To clarify: Making it personal just because I think you are interpreting something someone said wrong is the real sickness of this generation.

What are you talking about?

10 year plan means 10 year plan

Can you explain what it is you think that means?

To me and everyone else who can both read and write the English language understands that a "10 year plan" is a plan that takes 10 years to complete.

So again I ask that you drop your attempt at being witty and explain yourself. If you are not able to do so, then you dont need to comment.

Otherwise you are just using Buzzwords and other such new and cool unreasonable speech patterns. Invented slang/language is not explaining yourself.

I can only assume that its recently invented slang/ incorrect language because as far as I know a 10 year plan is a 10 year plan. Not the concept of something more grandiose.

 

[Soon(TM)]

Everyone knows that. It's not what people are talking about when they say 10-year plan, it's just your wrong interpretation.

Lol @ this guy!

Because we dont interpret it the same way as him we are all wrong!

Well, i think you're wrong pal, VERY WRONG.

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After playing almost all the VR experiences going I can name very few that I would consider better. Project Cars and Assetto Corsa are the two that spring to mind.

But I don't think they have necessarily done anything that makes it good - it's the seated position that lends itself to the good experiences.

Project cars is dire!

It looks horrible in VR and the performance is just as bad.

If you get the ED settings right in VR, it looks beautiful.

Have a look around the forums, there's plenty of help for VR settings.

 

[Lobstris]

There isn't really a 10 year plan, FD have said they could go 10 years with the lore and stuff they *want* to put into the game.

But David Braben said he wanted to keep the game going as long as *possible* which basically depends on how many people continue to play and buy the expansion's, the income vs cost and the popularity of the game.

If the popularity of the game goes down the pan, so will the ten year plan.

It's basic business, if something is no longer working and profitable, then you stop doing it!

This. This is the only answer that makes sense. Let it bring light to the darkness of the Cult of 10-Year plan believers!

Frontier is a public-listed company. Any argument not grounded in economics is a pointless denial of reality. We'd all *LIKE* a 10-year (and beyond) plan, but what we'd like, and reality... well...

 

[Don Alvarez]

10 YEAR PLAN

 

[Spacecat]

Meh, as long as they keep adding content, and I don't get totally bored of the game, I'll keep playing.

 

[babelfisch]

What are you talking about?

10 year plan means 10 year plan

Can you explain what it is you think that means?

To me and everyone else who can both read and write the English language understands that a "10 year plan" is a plan that takes 10 years to complete.

So again I ask that you drop your attempt at being witty and explain yourself. If you are not able to do so, then you dont need to comment.

Otherwise you are just using Buzzwords and other such new and cool unreasonable speech patterns. Invented slang/language is not explaining yourself.

I can only assume that its recently invented slang/ incorrect language because as far as I know a 10 year plan is a 10 year plan. Not the concept of something more grandiose.

Lol @ this guy!

Because we dont interpret it the same way as him we are all wrong!

Well, i think you're wrong pal, VERY WRONG.

Again, I don't think that you are interpreting the 10-year plan wrong, I think you are interpreting the people talking about it wrong. This is a very big difference.

Please correct me if I am misunderstanding, but when you talk about people mentioning the 10-year plan you assume they mean:

- FDEV has a detailed intern roadmap, they already know at what time each update gets released for the next 10 years, including all the content they have planned
- the game will have a definitive lifespan of 10 years

Obviously this is wrong, and I think everyone is agreeing with you on that. What I believe people mean when they are talking about it is this:

- they have enough ideas for expansions and story to support the game for 10 years and if nothing goes wrong they are planning to do so

Not doing so would be pretty irrational as long as the game is profitable, nobody expects them to continue development if nobody plays the game anymore. It's also pretty clear that there are enough ideas for expansions and improvements for 10 years, just take a look at the already confirmed expansions, the DDF, the suggestions forum and all the time they say "it's on the list".

So why are people calling it a 10 year plan? Because FDEV would like to support the game for at least 10 years (if everything goes right).
Why is it something worth mentioning? Because other games have a 0 years plan or a two years plan. Some games get released and that's it, no expansions or updates. Other games have some planned expansions for the next 1-2 years, like the Witcher for example. They released two expansions and stopped working on it - that's it, the game is finished. ED is not, and that's something worth mentioning and the reason people are saying they want to support the game for many years.

 

[Enderby]

Meh, as long as they keep adding content, and I don't get totally bored of the game, I'll keep playing.

Yes i wish they would start doing so.

 

[bootsam]

Theres a plan?