I'm tired of the whiners ruining things for everyone

[Icarus1]

<wipes a clear spot in the saliva covered thread > The game has the potential to be a whole lot more than other games, definitely.
On the other hand

-It doesn't run on PS4! -whining
-I hate the entrance of the space station -whining
-There is a problem regarding NPC spawning (follows up with explanation) - not whining.

It was called testing, and testing is about finding problems, not about proving bend over loyalty by accepting everything served on the plate.

 

[Valcrow]

Wow this really takes the cake... A frontier employee THANKING someone who calls anyone who criticizes the game "whiners"? Does the community manager intentionally want to create an atmosphere where any criticism is being met with hostility?

Simply amazing...


PS: And yes saying "This game gets too repetitive in making money and is a waste of time, wheres the fun at" can be totally valid and constructive criticism. And something that could have been easily fixed with 3 more month of development before release. But thank you for making the stance of FD on constructive criticism perfectly clear.

I can't tell if this is serious or sarcastic...

In any event... Appreciating or thanking positive comments is not the same as hostility towards criticisms as you eluded to. Like rewarding good behavior is different than punishing bad behavior, while the intended effect is similar the real impact is quite different.

And 'constructive criticism' is the antithesis of the example that you provided.

"This game gets too repetitive in making money and is a waste of time, wheres the fun at"

This is just criticism, opinion or whining, with no room for debate or suggestion. There is no solution or anything constructive you can do about this statement. It is simply opinion. -a valid opinion, but one that ultimately adds nothing because there are no reasons given as to why you think it's a waste of time and not fun. You have the right to state your opinion, and FD and everyone else has the right to choose to ignore it. Which is what OP is suggesting. "FD don't listen to the whiners"

If you provided reasons as to WHY you feel that it is a waste of time, repetitive or not fun, then we'd be making some constructive criticisms. And bonus points for suggesting solutions.

like:

"The focus on money being the primary dominating goal of every aspect of the game is making it feel one dimensional because we simply make more money to buy new ships to make more money. The method of achieving the goal (money) being the goal itself (more money) feels endless and counter productive. Consider adding additional goals that we can strive for that money can only 'help' you achieve including reputations, political status, owning stations, exclusive skins, pilot perks etc. so we can spend our fortunes in a meaningful way towards a certain goal. Making money, a method to achieve our goal, but not the goal in itself. This will also open up other avenues to achieve certain goals like piracy, assassinations, blockades etc. that requires different skills and setups, making the gameplay more varied and interesting."

 

[Dejay]

In any event... Appreciating or thanking positive comments is not the same as hostility towards criticisms as you eluded to. Like rewarding good behavior is different than punishing bad behavior, while the intended effect is similar the real impact is quite different.

How about rewarding bad behavior? Is it ok as long as it suits your current purpose? (Purpose like pacifying the community?)

The OP is obviously trolling by calling "some people" the derogatory term "whiners". For criticizing the game in a certain, undisclosed way.

And the example isn't mine, it's a quote of OP that shows how he interpreted and contracted some statement from someone. It's called a straw man logical fallacy.

And yes this is how propaganda works. Establish the talking point that there are "whiners" about. Establish this "viewpoint" though official sources. Apparently the ED community manager approves! Now you kinda have to see it from both sides. No you don't, saying that people shouldn't whine so much is still just trolling and baiting.

 

[Rankaze]

Thank you - your kind words are certainly appreciated. I hope you enjoy tomorrow's release.

Ed

One of my friends and I were just discussing today how far this game has come even since we first started with it in Beta 2. It's really great now, and I've been having a blast with it, and look forward to having a blast with it for a long time to come.

 

[Stormhawk]

One of my friends and I were just discussing today how far this game has come even since we first started with it in Beta 2. It's really great now, and I've been having a blast with it, and look forward to having a blast with it for a long time to come.

Which is the exact opposite of how a friend of mine who has been in since at least Beta 1 seems to view it. He thought the game was great then, and was bound to only get better... now he's very pessimistic about the impending launch.

 

[KellyR]

Hello everyone.

I was just thinking and I've come up with a suggestion. If you find a trade route that's making tons of money, or some other income source that's making tons of money, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT ABOUT IT ON THE FORUM!!!!

Unless you're one of the Dev Team that is. So what if people make lots of money? Some of us (who can't sit around playing the game all the time) would like to get a python or anaconda before 2017. I'm not talking about a few months. I'm talking years here. Having that huge ship won't cause your game experience to be boring. Then you can buy a fun ship like an Asp, or a Python (storing your barge) and fit it out as a gunboat and do fun stuff.

But some people see others making tons of money and say "oh, that's not right. That'll break the game! That will unbalance everything. Waaahhhh!!!" etc. etc. ad nausem. Must you spoil it for everyone else? The way the game is set up, it won't break the game!!!

If the devs see it on their own, and I'm willing to bet they keep a close eye on things, fine. But don't go asking for it. We'd probably have the seeking luxuries if some hadn't whined and complained. If going back and forth isn't your cup of tea, don't do it. But you guys (the whiners) spoiled it for everyone. Thanks a lot.

And just so everyone knows, I am addressing the whiners here, not the Devs. If the Devs see something and think it needs to be changed, then they should change it. It doesn't matter if I like the change or not. It's their game and their vision. I'll adapt to that vision. But players whining about people making a lot of money quickly, hastening the end of that condition is just plain ludicrous.

 

[Surly_Badger]

some people see others making tons of money

That's it. It's a weird refusal to play their own game. It's not enough for them to have their own experience, they want to be able to mess around with other people's. Because, I guess they can't be happy if they're not doing better than other people. Kinda creepy, really.

 

[Deyu]

Sooo... basically you are whining about whiners. Cool story, bro!

 

[Comrade Napoleon]

EHH so I cant whine at all anymore
not even a teeny , weeny bit ?

Cheers Cmdr's

 

[Quineloe]

Whatever point you had, it was lost when you admitted that you think seeking luxuries 5Mm away from a high tech station with infinite supply of PEs should still be a thing.

 

[Anopheles]

That's it. It's a weird refusal to play their own game. It's not enough for them to have their own experience, they want to be able to mess around with other people's. Because, I guess they can't be happy if they're not doing better than other people. Kinda creepy, really.

Why would you want open to be exactly like Solo mode, but with added 'cooey! Look how much I traded today!"?

 

[Lazerus Artificial]

Soooo basically you want to have a broken game?
Using Exploits, Bugs or other things to get an advantage?
It might not matter for you, but really? maybe it does for someone who doesnt want Griefers and Hackers in Anacondas?
As long as YOU have fun its fine? As long as YOU have an advantage over someone who doesnt know these "secrets"?
Yeah...great

Sure whining about thing like "i had a bigger ship than him but he beat me, that should not be possible" -> thats crap.
but pointing out obviously broken things? Thats whining for you too?

 

[BrewerGeorge]

Just type 'motherlode' in the communications dialog. (Without the single quotes)

 

[Mikey2305]

Whining? Life is too short...

 

[Ancipital]

If the devs see it on their own, and I'm willing to bet they keep a close eye on things, fine. But don't go asking for it. We'd probably have the seeking luxuries if some hadn't whined and complained. If going back and forth isn't your cup of tea, don't do it. But you guys (the whiners) spoiled it for everyone. Thanks a lot.

I am tired of your whining and complaining about how you're tired of whining and complaining. The irony police are en route to your location, be ready to spread 'em.

 

[KellyR]

Soooo basically you want to have a broken game?
Using Exploits, Bugs or other things to get an advantage?
It might not matter for you, but really? maybe it does for someone who doesnt want Griefers and Hackers in Anacondas?
As long as YOU have fun its fine? As long as YOU have an advantage over someone who doesnt know these "secrets"?
Yeah...great

Sure whining about thing like "i had a bigger ship than him but he beat me, that should not be possible" -> thats crap.
but pointing out obviously broken things? Thats whining for you too?

If it is a broken mechanic that can interfere with your game play, sure, report it. But if it doesn't interfere with your enjoyment of the game, you should remain silent. The "Seeking Luxuries" was just used as an example. But while you may think that that was broken, it didn't negatively affect anyone's enjoyment of the game and therefore should not have been reported.

And I'm not whining here. I am asking others to stop whining. Is that so much to ask? If you see something like a ship that doesn't take damage at all, then by all means you should report that. Or if you sell your commodities but no money gets added to your cash, report it. But if it doesn't negatively affect your game play, remain silent.

Things like the "Seeking Luxuries" deal will not break the game; not with the way the game is set up and structured. And for that I take my hat off to FD.

As for the hackers and griefers being in Anacondas and Pythons, that's going to happen anyway. All your doing is postponing the inevitable; and making life unnecessarily hard for the rest of us while you're about it.

 

[Tarman]

Wait, this is a "give me back my easily exploitable and nonsensical revenue source" thread? But dressed as an "I hate whiners" thread. That's so meta.

 

[BrewerGeorge]

If not for 'Seeking Luxuries' there would be a lot fewer people sitting in Anacondas asking, "What now?"

 

[Lazerus Artificial]

If it is a broken mechanic that can interfere with your game play, sure, report it. But if it doesn't interfere with your enjoyment of the game, you should remain silent. The "Seeking Luxuries" was just used as an example. But while you may think that that was broken, it didn't negatively affect anyone's enjoyment of the game and therefore should not have been reported.

And I'm not whining here. I am asking others to stop whining. Is that so much to ask? If you see something like a ship that doesn't take damage at all, then by all means you should report that. Or if you sell your commodities but no money gets added to your cash, report it. But if it doesn't negatively affect your game play, remain silent.

Things like the "Seeking Luxuries" deal will not break the game; not with the way the game is set up and structured. And for that I take my hat off to FD.

As for the hackers and griefers being in Anacondas and Pythons, that's going to happen anyway. All your doing is postponing the inevitable; and making life unnecessarily hard for the rest of us while you're about it.

if a broken mechanic would not interfere with my game, its still a broken mechanic. a bug that needs to be fixed.
so all i can see here is a whiner whining because he lost his way to get as fast as possible to the best possible stuff, camouflages as a topic against whiners who report broken things and "ruin" the game for exploiters.
So nothing unusual, i see that a lot in a lot of other MMOs ("why was my class nerfed, i can only nuke 6 other players at the same time now without taking damage" "why was my uberweapon nerfed, i cant onehit players anymore" blablabla)

ever thought that some player just dont want to see a game with a huge potential get ruined by some pesky little bugs that could ruin the economy or balance? PVP? Players who have earned for example the Anacoda through hours of tradingruns or bountyhunting wouldnt have a thing to be proud of, because player XY exploited his money to get his ship faster? Ever thought that those exploiter might ruin the fun for other players, just like you think bugreports and fixes ruin the game for you?

 

[KellyR]

I am tired of your whining and complaining about how you're tired of whining and complaining. The irony police are en route to your location, be ready to spread 'em.

Oh, you haven't seen whining from me, sir (I assume you are sir). And you don't want to, I promise you.

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if a broken mechanic would not interfere with my game, its still a broken mechanic. a bug that needs to be fixed.
so all i can see here is a whiner whining because he lost his way to get as fast as possible to the best possible stuff.

It won't break the game so let the devs work on stuff like content that needs to be added. They can work on these inconsequential bugs later. And I'll get the things I want. But I would like to do it before mid 2016. I do have to work. I can't sit in front of my computer 10 hours a day playing games.

And that would be her way, not his. Wrong gender sir.