I will admit that I was against open PvE at first but I am willing to admit that I was wrong. I say let people that are wired differently than me play with a rule set that allows them to not complain about the game play that I enjoy (getting shot at).Some of them want an Open-PvE mode - that'd be nice (and the possibility of additional Open groups (modes) where the rules can be different to suit different play-styles is contained in the design information published at the start of the Kickstarter)....
In Open Play, is Killing Innocent CMDRs Fair?
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Minonian
Banned
I suppose you can but, unless they're actually doing something which irritates you or which you think deserves to be revised, it seems a rather futile exercise.
Also I'm not sure how criticising people who do stuff like seal-clubbing, suiciding to avoid bounties, griefing inside stations or just pad-blocking might be considered a shortcoming in the person doing the moaning.
Is there some way I can "git gud" at ensuring an orbital platform has a vacant medium pad which isn't blocked by some twonk who's parked their Python on it before going to school?
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Minonian
Banned
He does not.
That's a critics well deserved, and certainly not moaning. And here is an idea to him. We did not cheat when decide to menu log.
But when anyone committing atrocities against the others? Than he is guilty as charged!
We have no reason of guilt, nothing at all! We did not anything what counts as sin, we don't have to feel guilty.
However? They are in the other hand?
Why are you using words like "atrocities" and "sin"?
Goose4291
Banned
Mate, youre picking an argument for the sake of it now, and trying to alter what Ive said for... forum warrioring purposes, I guess?
Ive never mentioned menu logging, what Ive been talking about is alt+f4 idiots.
And as far as Im concerned anyone who properly is cheating should suffer indefinate shadowbans at the very least.
I have a very Stannis approach to cheating.
English is not his native language. It's obvious enough.
My question was to Minonian. You his lawyer?
Does that include the Engineers Cheaters? So, everyone who got g5 modifications for the price of g1's should be indefinitely shadow-banned? I could get behind that.
That's none of your business.
I sort of feel like you, but ultimately I shy away from supporting Open PvE because I don't believe it would put this griefer issue to bed. Even if we had Open pve the same people would still be here strenuously lobbying for Open to be altered.
Why? Why do you believe that? An open environment without PvP would leave virtually no reason to complain about non-consensual PvP. The remainder, people playing in PvE-Open to grief, would be identified immediately. There would be no 'because PvP' defense, and those that enjoy PvP would not have to face the association of the two. Vague fear of something new, is no reason to stop pressing forward.
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Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
I'd expect that the arguments to change Open(-PvP) would significantly diminish if an Open-PvE mode were to be introduced.
Goose4291
Banned
I dont think I need to quantify my position further on this matter to be honest, as i just cant abide cheats full stop.
Where you and I differ Id wager is that Id extend that to credit exploiters too
I dont think I need to quantify my position further on this matter to be honest, as i just cant abide cheats full stop.
Where you and I differ Id wager is that Id extend that to credit exploiters too
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Which would rather depend on what Frontier considered to be a credit exploit and what was a feature of the game.
Nah, I guess that's just the PvPer in you that chooses to see everything as combative.
I'm just pointing out that we've got people saying "don't sweat it cos it's just a game" over various criticisms while, at the same time, wailing about the stuff that they see as important.
Personally, I couldn't give a toss about CLing because it's not something that is ever likely to bother me.
If I get involved in PvP combat and my opponent CLs, I don't care because regardless of whether I've destroyed them or they've CLed, the result is the same; they're no longer bothering me.
I understand, however, that other people will have different objectives and different priorities and they will take a different view of how serious CLing is.
So, I don't go around telling people who're moaning about CLing to "chill out cos it's just a game" while, at the same time, insisting that my criticisms are valid and should be taken seriously.
Perhaps it'd be more constructive if we ALL adopted a similar attitude?
So, no comment on Modification Cheaters, but those credit exploiters are out. I get it.
Goose4291
Banned
Well judging by how they're taking a softly, softly approach to plugging the exploit of mission stacking, they have a similar attitude at heart, however they're worried about upsetting what they perceive as their target market.
I think saying I can't abide cheaters full stop makes my position clear. If you want to tilt at windmills over that, be my guest.
I think saying I can't abide cheaters full stop makes my position clear. If you want to tilt at windmills over that, be my guest.
Goose4291
Banned
Well to be fair, you were putting words in my mouth top satisfy your argument (as I never mentioned menu logging).
What you've got to remember is that I deal with alt f4 cheaters quite regularly when I get the chance to play elite, and it gertzs infuriating because as has been said often, the other modes are there if you don't want to lose/be pirated etc.
For example, once I (in my adder) and two guys in eagles interdicted a python at a cz a while back (pre engineers) to demand 4t of cargo. We first got a torrent of exopletives (noob ships, etc) and the bloke deployed hard points to fight us.
We dueled with his superior ship for a good 4 minutes and he realised things weren't going his way.
He could have high waked, hell, we weren't even mass locking him, so he could have low waked.
Instead he just disappeared.
That level of cheating just infuriates me full stop, because its completely unneeded
Open pve only?
Why? You already have mobius and solo, what more do you want? Completely force your own agenda on the game?
Leave open the way it should be, cut throat galaxy wild west style. This game has no danger whatsoever except for other players. You remove that and its just a wallpaper simulator which is done better in Space Engine anyway.
Why? You already have mobius and solo, what more do you want? Completely force your own agenda on the game?
Leave open the way it should be, cut throat galaxy wild west style. This game has no danger whatsoever except for other players. You remove that and its just a wallpaper simulator which is done better in Space Engine anyway.