Indecisive Lurkers: Why you must get the rift

[drkaii]

BTW, if there was a switch to stick the radar, shield and energy levels to the oculus screen, that would help a lot. I could track the target and still be able to know what is going on.

That's a brilliant idea man. I'm sticking that in the community request list.

Thanks everyone for helping out the people with issues here. Really good to see everyone chipping in and brings a tear to my eye <3

P.s. more oculus videos coming out daily from my end. Please subscribe to the channel in my sig

 

[rkodey]

Traditional HUDs are projected on a secondary glass panel on the "windshield" - but more modern approaches like the F-35 use a visor-projection HUD. That's what we need here, I think - but only for the right parts of the HUD. For example, the weapons bars on the left and right should definitely track with the view, since those elements seem to be "projected" in the view as-if projected on your helmet visor in the ship. The radar and ship status seem to be projected from the dashboard, however. Those are too graphical/dense to track with the view, IMO. There's a LOT that goes into pilot HUD/UI design to keep things simple while conveying lots of data. Or more specifically the right data at the right time, so as to not distract the pilot. So, there's a balance.

Definitely a cool idea, though!

But I digress... Indecisive Lurkers - go get your Rift!!!

 

[drkaii]

One thing I wish to emphasise:

This thread is aimed at exactly what it says on the tin: Indecisive lurkers. People struggling to decide.

If you've already decided or have never even needed to decide in the first place, please do not feel threatened by this post. Just brush past it like dust motes floating in the air

 

[Flimley]

I have tried the OR a few times and it's trully amazing................how it makes you instantly want to vomit up a chickens worth of goo onto the floor.

Does this feeling pass after a while ?? Anyone ?

 

[Ancipital]

Traditional HUDs are projected on a secondary glass panel on the "windshield" - but more modern approaches like the F-35 use a visor-projection HUD.

It's not a new phenomenon. let's hear it for IHADSS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet..._Helmet_And_Display_Sight_System_.28IHADSS.29

Spoiler

..though admittedly, the F-35's system looks cooler:

Spoiler

 

[sutex]

[h=2]Indecisive Lurkers: .......[/h]ummmm,, mmmmm , well .... 4k , or just my 144hz asus.... ummm... Sabertooth x58 motherboard, Graphics Card god which one .....ummmmm .... Steam, Google card , Nvidia 3d glasses , Rift ...... decisions decisions , ummm

 

[cptcman]

Just got notice that my DK2 will ship soon! My specs:

ASUS 750jz
Intel I7-4700HQ @ 2.4 GHz
24gb RAM
GeForce GTX 880M
Windows 8.1 64 bit


Hopefully it will be enough...anyone playing with similar specs?

 

[drkaii]

I have tried the OR a few times and it's trully amazing................how it makes you instantly want to vomit up a chickens worth of goo onto the floor.

Does this feeling pass after a while ?? Anyone ?

lots of discussion on this and it depends on the kind of simulation. ED is one of those kinds where it is utterly minimal and will go away completely very quickly - so long as you have a near consistent 75Hz

every DK2 user plays for many hours at a time without getting sick here, but they do get sick on other games

 

[Pate]

I have tried the OR a few times and it's trully amazing................how it makes you instantly want to vomit up a chickens worth of goo onto the floor.

Does this feeling pass after a while ?? Anyone ?

LOL! This was my feeling after my first tests with a GTX 750Ti graphics card. As has been mentioned, constant 75Hz is pretty much a must, else this will happen.

After switching to GTX 970, during the first couple of gaming sessions I got dizzy when rolling the ship, but this slowly passed as I kept playing short gaming sessions on the following days. Nowadays rolling causes no ill effects.

It is important to stop playing as soon as you start to feel sick, otherwise you risk spoiling the whole experience and feel sick even when trying to play with the OR (or perhaps even when thinking about playing!).

Also, different people have different tolerance for simulator sickness.

 

[Junky Juke]

Let's see...

To play ED on the oclus rift I will have to:

- buy a new rig as my spec allows me to only play ED at 30-60 FPS (high settings) on a 1920x1080 monitor with heavy stuttering and freezes around planets. I estimate a price of 1500-2000€. (am I right?)
- eat bread and water for 3-4 months
- struggle with my wife because low quality of our life
- struggle with my wife because I spend too much time in isolation (she's not even interested in videogaming, she goes angry when she plays super mario, she will not like VR)
- struggle with my wife because I'm so ugly with that box on my face.
- struggle with my boss because of my low work performance early in the morning.
- struggle with my 1500+€ rig because ED will judder in any case
- cancel my programmed trip in South America
- keep driving around with my crappy old car because I dont have money to fix it
- struggle with myself after losing interest with a sub-developed videogame I ruined 1 year of my life with, to just to say WOW! in the first 10 minutes of gameplay.

My answer to you, OP: You have not convinced me. I will play with the DK2 tech toy when you will throw it away and go for CV1. Meanwhile I will send you a non-virtual greeting from South America!

 

[EcRyder]

After much deliberation this thread has swung it - order placed. Excited!

 

[Forlorn]

Would it be possible to post a screenshot of the view from the Oculus (the side-by-side would be great) that includes the framerate? That would go a long way to help people get a taste for what it would look like.

If I posted mine from the DK1 on a bare-minimum PC, folks would run for the hills I'm sure.

 

[Madurbu]

Just ordered mine

I have two overclocked GTX770 with 4GB SLI and a 4770 overclocked

Hope that's enough horsepower...or it's new video cards for me.

 

[drkaii]

Let's see...

To play ED on the oclus rift I will have to:

- buy a new rig as my spec allows me to only play ED at 30-60 FPS (high settings) on a 1920x1080 monitor with heavy stuttering and freezes around planets. I estimate a price of 1500-2000€. (am I right?)
- eat bread and water for 3-4 months
- struggle with my wife because low quality of our life
- struggle with my wife because I spend too much time in isolation (she's not even interested in videogaming, she goes angry when she plays super mario, she will not like VR)
- struggle with my wife because I'm so ugly with that box on my face.
- struggle with my boss because of my low work performance early in the morning.
- struggle with my 1500+€ rig because ED will judder in any case
- cancel my programmed trip in South America
- keep driving around with my crappy old car because I dont have money to fix it
- struggle with myself after losing interest with a sub-developed videogame I ruined 1 year of my life with, to just to say WOW! in the first 10 minutes of gameplay.

My answer to you, OP: You have not convinced me. I will play with the DK2 tech toy when you will throw it away and go for CV1. Meanwhile I will send you a non-virtual greeting from South America!

You win best post ever

Would it be possible to post a screenshot of the view from the Oculus (the side-by-side would be great) that includes the framerate? That would go a long way to help people get a taste for what it would look like.

If I posted mine from the DK1 on a bare-minimum PC, folks would run for the hills I'm sure.

Screenshots don't do justice at all because you don't get a sense of the resolution. Still it looks much much worse than with motion. Also you get the chromatic aberation which doesn't make sense on a normal screen. So no, not a good selling point..

 

[CMDR Holycow]

Let's see...

To play ED on the oclus rift I will have to:

- buy a new rig as my spec allows me to only play ED at 30-60 FPS (high settings) on a 1920x1080 monitor with heavy stuttering and freezes around planets. I estimate a price of 1500-2000€. (am I right?)
- eat bread and water for 3-4 months
- struggle with my wife because low quality of our life
- struggle with my wife because I spend too much time in isolation (she's not even interested in videogaming, she goes angry when she plays super mario, she will not like VR)
- struggle with my wife because I'm so ugly with that box on my face.
- struggle with my boss because of my low work performance early in the morning.
- struggle with my 1500+€ rig because ED will judder in any case
- cancel my programmed trip in South America
- keep driving around with my crappy old car because I dont have money to fix it
- struggle with myself after losing interest with a sub-developed videogame I ruined 1 year of my life with, to just to say WOW! in the first 10 minutes of gameplay.

My answer to you, OP: You have not convinced me. I will play with the DK2 tech toy when you will throw it away and go for CV1. Meanwhile I will send you a non-virtual greeting from South America!

Are you sure you wouldn't look better with the black box on your face?

 

[Desert63]

For me, yes my wife would frown, but my real struggle in talking myself into the Rift:

I dont have a PC at home anymore. It was a big deal to help minimize and simplify my life when I talked work into buying me a beefy 'work class' laptop, so I got rid of my PC at home. Now I just do everything on my laptop. I can run ED on it, like most games, on reduced settings, but clearly cant run it with the OR. So....that means if I want to go into the rift I have to buy an entirely new gaming class PC. Even more than the cost, is the distraction of another bulky and noisy mid tower hanging around in my house, with the usual need to fix this and upgrade that.

Believe me I want to do it. It must have been in 1991/92 when I started reading about an arcade game that offered full real VR something I had read about in scifi all my life. I believe it was called "Terodactyl nightmare" and only two were released in the nation and one was in a city 10 miles away. Well I couldnt believe it since I was ready to drive hundreds of miles to try it and dragged everyone I knew there to play this game. For what it was it was really good, and it demonstrated VR to me as the graphics were clearly limited but the head tracking was fantastic. And then just like people waiting for moonbases in the 70s, I waited for the explosion of VR in the 90s...and nothing...other than Star Trek teasing me with the holodeck.

I am the target audience when it comes to VR, and plan to beat you all to be the first person on the next reality TV show "Addicted to VR" where I never leave my house or take off my OR and have to be intravenously fed Doritos ....

But its too much of a reach for $1200 or so for a new PC/Hotas, etc and monitor and the DK2 on top of that...but damn, I want the OR!

 

[Z Cochrane]

Check out this video, David Braben gives his thoughts on VR headsets as they stand right now. If you don't know who he is , slap yourself, now. Anyway watch the vid.
[video]https://youtu.be/JLpX1G5I5tQ[/video]
VR isn't quite there yet. I still want one , but just not right now....

 

[cheekibreekisuka]

sorry but NO, DK2 resolution IS AWFUL after a couple hours of gaming, i couldn't wear it for more than 2 hours before getting dizzy because ot the damned "pixel separation black grid" that 1080p panel has, thankfully it was a loan, so no much money involved in that failure

either I wait for the CV1 or the commercial version (1440p minimum, 2160p wanted) but i'm not willing to waste money in the current model, for the moment I'm happy with my 4K monitor (at least i don't get dizzy with it)

 

[Desert63]

Check out this video, David Braben gives his thoughts on VR headsets as they stand right now. If you don't know who he is , slap yourself, now. Anyway watch the vid.
[video]https://youtu.be/JLpX1G5I5tQ[/url]
VR isn't quite there yet. I still want one , but just not right now....

Is this the video where he says each eye should be 4k? Big ask at this point. Its obvious to me that the OR experience is near mind blowing for some people even with the limited graphics. I know that sounds dramatic but when I had the 1992 Headset on I was immersed because the head response was so flawless even though I was aiming at a big pixel-ed triangular flying dinosaur.
Look at Liquidgambs from the My E VRMachine thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGLHHCZEIo4
That head tracking and movement looks weird as hell from the outside, but I know exactly what is going on there - virtual reality immersion.
So I think the OR is for me....just not yet at the price of an entire gaming PC...and leaving me stuck was a big pig of a work laptop that I will no longer really need.

We shall see...

 

[drkaii]

Is this the video where he says each eye should be 4k? Big ask at this point. Its obvious to me that the OR experience is near mind blowing for some people even with the limited graphics. I know that sounds dramatic but when I had the 1992 Headset on I was immersed because the head response was so flawless even though I was aiming at a big pixel-ed triangular flying dinosaur.
Look at Liquidgambs from the My E VRMachine thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGLHHCZEIo4
That head tracking and movement looks weird as hell from the outside, but I know exactly what is going on there - virtual reality immersion.
So I think the OR is for me....just not yet at the price of an entire gaming PC...and leaving me stuck was a big pig of a work laptop that I will no longer really need.

We shall see...

I've heard an oculus dev quoted (in PC Gamer) as saying that for VR to equivocate the perceived resolution of sitting in front of a 1080p 2D screen at standard distance, it would need to be 8k. I tend to believe heavily that VR isn't ready yet, and won't be until we have the exponential processing power required to run even half of that.

That being said, Elite is different. While VR isn't close to being ready for games like Skyrim or other "beautiful" games, with Elite, even with the sub-par resolution of the DK2, the experience is indeed mindblowing and I can't play without it. This echos thousands of people