Instant Transfer: Practical Effects

[Goose4291]

Let's actually wait and see if that happens when/if they release insta-transfer. Because, for example, if insta-transfer costs a ton then half of that top 10% CG reward will have been used for that apparent insta-transporting that will be going on like crazy during every CG.

If the cost of it cuts into the profit you wanted to make from the CG you wouldn't bother doing it past maybe once or twice.

I agree providing the cost is high enough, this isn't likely to happen.

However the OP if this post was calling out for examples of how Instant travel could affect the gameplay, hence the lengthy treatise.

Mind you, Sandro has said the cost will be negligible so that it will be available to all :/

 

[Forumate]

2) The chance to meet other people in open in quite low except the "common place" (shinrarta, engeneer base, starting point or Cg, sothis). Anyway, if i meet them in a hauler or Asp how this change my gameplay? O the other hand, I have the impression that Instant ship will go to hurt seriously the griefer or people who like easy kill (a fdl again a sidewinder). Now they'll have to pay attention: otherwise a fleet of corvette coulb be out there in not time hunting for them.

I have seen this commnet a few times and I have to admit I hope this will be the case. I don't know how many helpless ASP explorers I have killed looking for a "good fight."

 

[Martian Successor]

Profit and cost just aren't driving factors for many players - it's pretty easy to become a billionaire after a few years of play... I must have sunk over 2 billion into PowerPlay alone (OK I get the salary back, but it never covers the cost).

Then why would those players care about grinding out top 10% in a CG by any means? It's not like they get bragging rights because there is no leaderboard.

 

[Lupis]

• what are the likely actual, gameplay consequences of instant ship transfer? Well we won't know till beta release. Anything till then is speculation and hyperbole.
• how will this affect your own, personal gameplay? Greatly. Before i left i had ships scattered all over Fed, Imp and Alliance space. Now i can head back to home base and call back my fleet.
• how frequently does this seem likely to have an impact on your game, if any? Well aside from the great recall, i'm not sure. depends on the cost of it really.

 

[jprelph]

Then why would those players care about grinding out top 10% in a CG by any means? It's not like they get bragging rights because there is no leaderboard.

Because some people play the game for a little bit of RP and just want to win. I've seen people spend 200m plus on PP fortification or expansion and that's only a maximum 50m return and there's no leaderboard there either.

 

[Boomer Kay]

You can't keep the Anaconda survivable and reach that jump distance - which is required in that scenario as when you're hauling goods out that's the time you're vulnerable and could lose significantly (the loss of a glass taxi Asp would be far less of an issue).

Well, at one point in time you will need to decide of credits make a difference or not.
Because all that happens if you get shot down in your laden ship is that you get reset to .. exactly the station where you can pick up the next load of cargo.
Only difference between being shot down in an ASP is credits. You still lose the jumps you so desperately tried to win by flying a tincan.

The consequence I can see there is a new round of "nerf NPCs" posts, because many commanders think it's a good idea to "save some time" by flying around in a paperbag that cannot even withstand the slightest attack, just because the build is technically possible.
70mW shields is nothing. Putting 4 pips to it and giving it resistance mods barely gets it to unmodded 140mW shieldstrenght, where you can put 4 pips in and resistance mod it.

Because some people play the game for a little bit of RP and just want to win. I've seen people spend 200m plus on PP fortification or expansion and that's only a maximum 50m return and there's no leaderboard there either.

Maybe because there's no actual moneysink in the game? Money usually goes up and up and once you have "everything", you can just throw it away at unprofitable endeavours.
Excessive use of ship transfer will lead to exactly that money drain and it should be balanced against the ship value (that's really a good tool they have to get some "value" moneysink in - convenience is one of the driving forces in real world pricing theory - rather than just raising the repair costs across the board, which will make Hulltanks even more undesireable than they're now), so if you move lots of very expensive ships around, it will be costly.
They (Michael or Sandro) also mentioned they're considerin to introduce loss on module sales again, since now you don't have to swap them just for travel, which might be another moneysink.

 

[jprelph]

Well, at one point in time you will need to decide of credits make a difference or not.
Because all that happens if you get shot down in your laden ship is that you get reset to .. exactly the station where you can pick up the next load of cargo.

But that's losing you significantly more time on your outward haul (restarting and reloading fort, then starting the (e.g.) 9 jumps out again) versus the return trip in the taxi (no reload and 3 jumps). Most experienced pilots can avoid getting interdicted in even a paper Asp, if it's an NPC coming after you as soon as you jump into the system then just hang around in the stars corona with your back to the star while you charge your FSD. Of course you're less likely to get interdicted as well due to the fewer jumps.

Can you address the latter half of that post - why is the addition of a minimal timer that satisfies significantly more people such a problem?

 

[Boomer Kay]

But that's losing you significantly more time on your outward haul (restarting and reloading fort, then starting the (e.g.) 9 jumps out again) versus the return trip in the taxi (no reload and 3 jumps). Most experienced pilots can avoid getting interdicted in even a paper Asp, if it's an NPC coming after you as soon as you jump into the system then just hang around in the stars corona with your back to the star while you charge your FSD. Of course you're less likely to get interdicted as well due to the fewer jumps.

Where do you get those 9 jumps from? The highest I've traveled for CG commodities was 70 ly (not counting Jaque's .. that was 22kly ).
Go to eddb.io and find a CG location for common commodities that are not available in abundant quantity in less than 100ly (funny thing about bubbles ... if you increase the radius just a tiny bit, the volume increases quite significantly). We are literally talking about 2-3 jumps back and forth for CGs.

Wait, I did it for you.. here's the list of stations within 30 (!) Ly of the current imp CG with one of the Commodities (Tantalum - triple for all 3)

Spoiler

Noli City

	Wallangu	3,902	-2 %	231	M	2 hours	48,493 ls	6.24 ly
Christian Prospect	LTT 1509	3,950	-0 %	304	L	2 hours	12 ls	10.75 ly
Phillips Landing	Falisci	3,950	-0 %	103	M	8 hours	2,271 ls	12.63 ly
Sarmiento de Gamboa Plant	Mictlan	3,902	-2 %	240	L	41 mins	28 ls	13.08 ly
Siodmak Dock	Slavisc	3,950	-0 %	2	M	9 hours	35 ls	13.40 ly
Kempf Refinery	Mahei	3,950	-0 %	15	M	11 hours	340 ls	14.19 ly
Kohoutek Installation	Apurnarsu	3,341	-16 %	10,006	M	1 day	43,970 ls	14.75 ly
Hariot Dock	Apurnarsu	3,491	-12 %	9,036	M	15 hours	44,008 ls	14.75 ly
Johnson Prospect	Apurnarsu	3,485	-12 %	12,945	L	3 hours	44,561 ls	14.75 ly
Roche Port	Duduseklis	3,601	-9 %	5,145	M	1 day	1,987 ls	15.15 ly
Kuiper Plant	Duduseklis	3,905	-1 %	3,794	M	18 hours	1,973 ls	15.15 ly
Lemaitre Depot	Kui Xenab	3,902	-2 %	911	L	6 days	206 ls	16.27 ly
d'Allonville City	Kui Xenab	3,902	-2 %	323	M	9 hours	150 ls	16.27 ly
Rigaux Vision	Nahuatl	3,989	1 %	443	L	30 mins	95 ls	17.59 ly
Burnham Orbital	Nahuatl	3,902	-2 %	186	M	1 day	13,589 ls	17.59 ly
Lyne Terminal	Nahuatl	3,941	-1 %	47,291	M	22 hours	1,505 ls	17.59 ly
Polikarpov Dock	Nahuatl	3,582	-10 %	1,588	M	12 hours	12,693 ls	17.59 ly
Artzybasheff Terminal	Nahuatl	3,941	-1 %	6,639	L	4 days	133 ls	17.59 ly
Ritchey Station	Nahuatl	3,941	-1 %	47,291	M	2 days	597 ls	17.59 ly
Roth Port	Nahuatl	3,616	-9 %	561,889	L	12 mins	242 ls	17.59 ly
Kowal Terminal	Nahuatl	3,616	-9 %	56,741	M	1 hour	69 ls	17.59 ly
Lemonnier Colony	Ndebech	3,688	-7 %	17	M	9 hours	471 ls	18.22 ly
Bereznyak Installation	Ndebech	3,902	-2 %	335	M	7 days	792 ls	18.22 ly
Boscovich Station	Chunja	3,902	-2 %	124	M	3 days	28 ls	19.07 ly
Kowal City	Chunja	3,949	-0 %	648	M	25 days	52 ls	19.07 ly
Patry Prospect	Chunja	3,902	-2 %	178	L	7 days	16 ls	19.07 ly
Millosevich Holdings	Chunja	3,902	-2 %	169	M	6 days	16 ls	19.07 ly
Elwood Dock	HR 1076	3,470	-12 %	1,202	M	7 days	1,584 ls	19.10 ly
Konscak Depot	CD-36 874	3,902	-2 %	121	M	6 days	1,820 ls	20.40 ly
Denton Platform	CD-36 874	3,902	-2 %	89	M	6 days	1,840 ls	20.40 ly
Peltier Dock	Eotienses	3,481	-12 %	982,701	M	2 days	1,146 ls	20.59 ly
Westphal Port	Eotienses	3,481	-12 %	135,667	L	15 hours	12,624 ls	20.59 ly
Ritchey Port	Eotienses	3,481	-12 %	982,701	M	8 hours	1,158 ls	20.59 ly
Roe Dock	Eotienses	3,481	-12 %	99,235	M	10 mins	1,133 ls	20.59 ly
Kaufmanis Port	Eotienses	3,989	1 %	8,306	L	1 hour	56 ls	20.59 ly
Delporte Dock	Eotienses	3,616	-9 %	55,750	M	5 days	188 ls	20.59 ly
Petlyakov City	Eotienses	3,481	-12 %	982,701	M	8 hours	1,142 ls	20.59 ly
Molchanov Vision	Poluskapura	3,747	-5 %	2	M	2 hours	54 ls	20.96 ly
ger Prospect	Futes	3,635	-8 %	2,074	L	19 hours	175 ls	21.20 ly
Burkin Installation	Futes	3,513	-11 %	3,247	L	24 days	4,464 ls	21.20 ly
Porco Platform	Futes	3,369	-15 %	403	M	6 days	5,204 ls	21.20 ly
DiFate Prospect	Futes	3,356	-15 %	2,008	M	2 days	5,214 ls	21.20 ly
Tanaka Hub	Futes	3,902	-2 %	191	M	2 days	5,223 ls	21.20 ly
Mobius Survey	Salimandali	3,502	-12 %	1,713	M	19 days	8 ls	21.27 ly
Kawanishi Enterprise	Salimandali	3,902	-2 %	266	M	31 days	16 ls	21.27 ly
Naubakht Port	Kataning	3,597	-9 %	14,639	M	11 hours	10 ls	21.28 ly
Dalgarno Hangar	Kataning	3,389	-14 %	11,991	M	2 hours	17 ls	21.28 ly
Dupuy de Lome Port	Potriambunn	3,950	-0 %	163	M	18 hours	121 ls	21.35 ly
Heinlein Dock	Potriambunn	3,451	-13 %	248	M	3 days	169 ls	21.35 ly
Valz Survey	NLTT 5871	3,902	-2 %	127	M	4 days	608 ls	21.68 ly
von Zach Outpost	NLTT 5871	3,701	-7 %	17	M	3 days	914 ls	21.68 ly
Windt Hangar	Glutia	3,706	-6 %	50	M	19 days	1,001 ls	21.89 ly
Powers Terminal	Glutia	3,355	-15 %	1,236	M	8 days	743 ls	21.89 ly
Peral Prospect	LP 941-16	3,599	-9 %	4,345	L	14 days	9 ls	22.29 ly
Dreyer Holdings	Kinne	3,902	-2 %	99	M	3 hours	11 ls	22.34 ly
Lewis Terminal	Manianscudo	3,902	-2 %	3,804	L	9 days	6,182 ls	23.96 ly
Zwicky Beacon	Manianscudo	3,472	-12 %	3,406	L	11 days	6,085 ls	23.96 ly
Blish Settlement	Sak Manka	3,449	-13 %	26,191	L	1 day	11 ls	24.28 ly
Linge Vision	Sak Manka	3,902	-2 %	297	L	30 days	?	24.28 ly
Fermat Hub	Panossini	3,869	-2 %	1,976	M	6 days	317 ls	24.55 ly
Gottlob Frege Port	Panossini	3,354	-15 %	4,443	M	12 days	459 ls	24.55 ly
Saavedra Dock	Kui Hsien	3,705	-6 %	8	M	8 hours	541 ls	24.67 ly
Grego Plant	LTT 1044	3,306	-17 %	16,179	M	2 days	79,458 ls	24.77 ly
Beg Mines	s Eridani	3,338	-16 %	4,109	M	5 days	2,971 ls	24.78 ly
Bloomfield Refinery	LTT 1190	3,355	-15 %	1,236	M	16 days	39,756 ls	25.45 ly
Bosch Dock	LTT 1190	3,363	-15 %	437	M	16 days	40,204 ls	25.45 ly
Marconi's Folly	LTT 1190	3,764	-5 %	14,016	L	101 days	39,176 ls	25.45 ly
Lagerkvist Port	LTT 982	4,023	2 %	1,807	L	2 days	1,874 ls	25.80 ly
Alfven Terminal	Langu	3,946	-0 %	952	M	6 days	5,379 ls	26.07 ly
Maitz Platform	Langu	3,492	-12 %	602	M	11 hours	5,143 ls	26.07 ly
Mayer Works	CD-51 881	3,766	-5 %	3,720	L	180 days	252,287 ls	26.28 ly
Potez Station	CD-51 881	3,902	-2 %	826	M	41 days	249,130 ls	26.28 ly
Hoerner City	CD-51 881	3,357	-15 %	1,996	M	7 days	248,319 ls	26.28 ly
Sukhoi Installation	CD-51 881	3,636	-8 %	1,278	L	16 hours	248,818 ls	26.28 ly
Homer Plant	Phra Lule	3,902	-2 %	885	M	41 days	1,271 ls	26.70 ly
Rittenhouse Landing	Phra Lule	3,286	-17 %	32,601	M	11 hours	1,271 ls	26.70 ly
McKie Dock	Chino	3,325	-16 %	17,701	M	6 days	1,455 ls	26.94 ly
McQuarrie Station	LHS 1391	3,353	-15 %	8,938	M	7 days	1,068 ls	26.99 ly
Lagrange Refinery	LHS 1391	3,869	-2 %	3,974	M	23 days	1,075 ls	26.99 ly
Hunziker Orbital	Aymifa	3,527	-11 %	19,684	L	10 hours	825 ls	27.04 ly
Lomonosov Colony	Aymifa	3,512	-11 %	25,086	L	10 hours	640 ls	27.04 ly
Coggia Port	Aymifa	3,487	-12 %	50,403	M	13 mins	152 ls	27.04 ly
Wellman Settlement	Lambda-2 Fornacis	3,267	-18 %	3,874	M	2 hours	6,677 ls	27.15 ly
Kepler Hangar	Lambda-2 Fornacis	3,902	-2 %	563	M	9 days	172 ls	27.15 ly
Dearden-Salter One	Calhuacan	3,950	-0 %	11	L	1 day	393 ls	27.58 ly
Angel Station	Calhuacan	3,941	-1 %	3,984	L	1 day	394 ls	27.58 ly
Foerster Vision	Tartarus	3,750	-5 %	82	M	42 mins	375 ls	27.87 ly
Gurshtein Colony	Tartarus	3,338	-16 %	3,059	M	26 mins	1,143 ls	27.87 ly
Bosch Horizons	Iota-2 Fornacis	3,902	-2 %	266	M	7 days	2,800 ls	28.16 ly
Volk Settlement	Tjurojiu	3,636	-8 %	11,151	M	174 days	654 ls	28.42 ly
Al-Jazari Station	Tjurojiu	3,761	-5 %	5,722	M	112 days	672 ls	28.42 ly
Oluwafemi Orbital	Tjurojiu	3,950	-0 %	381	L	2 hours	668 ls	28.42 ly
Luther Installation	Pai Huldr	3,353	-15 %	23,117	M	4 days	1,570 ls	28.70 ly
Ryle Orbital	Pai Huldr	3,353	-15 %	10,695	M	4 days	1,590 ls	28.70 ly
Urkovic Station	Pai Huldr	3,990	1 %	7,272	L	11 hours	1,564 ls	28.70 ly
Fowler Vision	Chehoong Po	3,723	-6 %	118	M	3 days	302 ls	29.05 ly
van de Sande Bakhuyzen Settlement	Chehoong Po	3,597	-9 %	1,556	M	4 days	242 ls	29.05 ly
Stanier Settlement	Andowathaku	3,529	-11 %	745	M	74 days	16,358 ls	29.74 ly
Ciferri Settlement	Andowathaku	3,527	-11 %	1,177	M	20 days	9 ls	29.74 ly
Berliner Terminal	Andowathaku	3,832	-3 %	972	L	16 days	16,339 ls	29.74 ly

Even better, the only station you need for the current CG is this:
Roth Port

Nahuatl

3,616

-9 %

561,889

L

7 mins

242 ls

17.59 ly

Doesn't seem to run dry, has large landing pad, is pretty close to the main star (242ls) and I can one jump there in my Corvette (G4 FSD Mod .. 19ly empty in combat fit).

Can you address the latter half of that post - why is the addition of a minimal timer that satisfies significantly more people such a problem?

You have no source for your "satisfies significantly more people".
The forum poll has 1000 participants, of which ~75% would like a delay (for ever changing reasons and between "a little" and "yea, half a year sounds quite reasonable, considering all the paperwork required for interstellar shipping").
Like I said, my assumption of the overall active playerbase is 90,000+ (maybe as high as 200k, only data available is the steam users, which are just a fraction).
My blind guess is that many of those that don't frequent the forums will see ship transfer and go "yay, finally".

 

[Ian Skippy]

You have no source for your "satisfies significantly more people".
The forum poll has 1000 participants, of which ~75% would like a delay (for ever changing reasons and between "a little" and "yea, half a year sounds quite reasonable, considering all the paperwork required for interstellar shipping").
Like I said, my assumption of the overall active playerbase is 90,000+ (maybe as high as 200k, only data available is the steam users, which are just a fraction).
My blind guess is that many of those that don't frequent the forums will see ship transfer and go "yay, finally".

This. Forum users tend to the extreme ends of any spectrum, whereas the 'average' gamer doesnt clock 1000+ hours, doesnt have billions, isnt concerned about exploits, probably doesnt even know Robigo exists or what a 'barnacle' is but does get tired of spending forever getting this or that ship to this or that system. Pretty sure most of the 'outrages' we've seen on these forums are of completely no concern to the average player either way. Which is why every time we have such massive outcry plenty of people literally say their opinion should count more than that of 'a casual/average' player 'because they will leave at some point whereas the Mighty Forum User swears loyalty to Elite for the next hundred years.

FD on the other hand doesnt care. You pay for the product, so your enjoyment matters just the same. Even if you cant give the hardpoint location of every ship from the top of your head.

 

[bitstorm]

It's not going to kill the game but it will certainly make it look more bizarre and reduce the variety, it's as if you pulled onto the roads one morning and all of a sudden 90% of the cars are all suddenly Honda Civics because they're the most efficient way to get somewhere, and even if they're then going off-roading they can park in the car-park near the woods and their Land Rover pops into existence...

If you're happy seeing fewer people and seeing less variety, then that's fine, but I think it's entirely rational for people to say that's a bad thing.

But that's how it already is.

I mean I see Asps everywhere right now, the reason being people like the jump range.

If people were able to switch out at their destination then surely it's gonna be less Asps.

 

[jprelph]

Where do you get those 9 jumps from? The highest I've traveled for CG commodities was 70 ly (not counting Jaque's .. that was 22kly ).
Go to eddb.io and find a CG location for common commodities that are not available in abundant quantity in less than 100ly (funny thing about bubbles ... if you increase the radius just a tiny bit, the volume increases quite significantly). We are literally talking about 2-3 jumps back and forth for CGs.

Wait, I did it for you.. here's the list of stations within 30 (!) Ly of the current imp CG with one of the Commodities (Tantalum - triple for all 3)

That was an example using PP - Rhea to Shenggan in a T9 out, Asp back.

You have no source for your "satisfies significantly more people".
The forum poll has 1000 participants, of which ~75% would like a delay (for ever changing reasons and between "a little" and "yea, half a year sounds quite reasonable, considering all the paperwork required for interstellar shipping").
Like I said, my assumption of the overall active playerbase is 90,000+ (maybe as high as 200k, only data available is the steam users, which are just a fraction).
My blind guess is that many of those that don't frequent the forums will see ship transfer and go "yay, finally".

That is a perfectly valid source even if you don't like it - and you're dodging the question there. There are three classes of people (on a broad scale) those who want ship transports instantly (A), those who want a delay (B), and those who don't want ship transport(C). There are then three positions; no transports - the current situation (1), transports with a delay (2) and instant transports (3). Position 2 is the ideal situation for group B and closer to the ideal solution for group A - so there are two groups who have their gameplay experienced improved to a varying level. It's a middle position.

Can you explain why taking that middle position is so bad for the players who want instant ship transport, considering we don't have any ship transport at the moment?

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But that's how it already is.

I mean I see Asps everywhere right now, the reason being people like the jump range.

If people were able to switch out at their destination then surely it's gonna be less Asps.

They might like the jump range but they're not good haulers and they're not great combat ships - I see very few Asps in CZs, doing UM, fortifying or CGs and people only occasionally use them as taxis because they can't be guaranteed of being able to buy the ship they do want at the far end.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Can you explain why taking that middle position is so bad for the players who want instant ship transport, considering we don't have any ship transport at the moment?

Why instant is better than 'the middle position' has been explained over and over again, including by FD. You can accept it or not, but asking people to keep on repeating it is a bit silly.

 

[jprelph]

Why instant is better than 'the middle position' has been explained over and over again, including by FD. You can accept it or not, but asking people to keep on repeating it is a bit silly.

I've not seen it explained other than Michael Brookes saying that they didn't think it would work with a delay, but I've not seen an explanation as to why. I would have thought having it with a delay is better for people who want it than not having it at all, so it still seems like the middle position satisfies more people.

 

[Mohrgan]

I've not seen it explained other than Michael Brookes saying that they didn't think it would work with a delay, but I've not seen an explanation as to why. I would have thought having it with a delay is better for people who want it than not having it at all, so it still seems like the middle position satisfies more people.

The middle position maintains all of the complaints about the instant transfer, science, method, justification, while adding a delay for no reason other than to satisfy some player's preference. The middle ground would simply be window dressing. What need for window dressing is there? Any transfer that doesn't use the actual flight mechanics is going to require us to to accept some Handwavium. Instant will only require a dose of Twohandwavium, and it will serve the purpose of the feature to it's fullest. Getting people into far off content faster.

 

[jprelph]

The middle position maintains all of the complaints about the instant transfer, science, method, justification, while adding a delay for no reason other than to satisfy some player's preference. The middle ground would simply be window dressing. What need for window dressing is there? Any transfer that doesn't use the actual flight mechanics is going to require us to to accept some Handwavium. Instant will only require a dose of Twohandwavium, and it will serve the purpose of the feature to it's fullest. Getting people into far off content faster.

Why does it maintain the problems? Introduce a new company (GalNet Logistics or whatever) with super lifters that can jump long distances and they transport your ship. Give it a base time of 3m plus 1m per 50ly and they drop your ship outside a station and pilot it in for you. You get a message that your ships arrived so that you can go take on a quick mission or do other things while you're waiting. A 100ly transfer is a 5m wait and it solves the lore/immersion issues while removing the PP short-circuit route.

 

[CaptainKremmen]

Why does it maintain the problems? Introduce a new company (GalNet Logistics or whatever) with super lifters that can jump long distances and they transport your ship. Give it a base time of 3m plus 1m per 50ly and they drop your ship outside a station and pilot it in for you. You get a message that your ships arrived so that you can go take on a quick mission or do other things while you're waiting. A 100ly transfer is a 5m wait and it solves the lore/immersion issues while removing the PP short-circuit route.

Sorted...

 

[The Chairmaker]

Well today I earned an accidental bounty in my home system due to collision with a ship in a res site.
Consequently at present I have effectively been exiled for the next week.

I managed to sneak into my home station and swap my vulture for an Asp which I am using now to explore. However I could not risk losing my Anaconda or Python due to a scan near the station.

Under the new mechanic I could escape in my Asp then do a Ship transfer to my Disaster Recovery station.

This has the benefit of allowing me to continue with varied game play, rather than being somewhat hamstrung for the next 6 days.

However it does bypass some of the potential consequences and emergent gameplay of illegal activity, which could be considered a minor exploit.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Why does it maintain the problems? Introduce a new company (GalNet Logistics or whatever) with super lifters that can jump long distances and they transport your ship. Give it a base time of 3m plus 1m per 50ly and they drop your ship outside a station and pilot it in for you. You get a message that your ships arrived so that you can go take on a quick mission or do other things while you're waiting. A 100ly transfer is a 5m wait and it solves the lore/immersion issues while removing the PP short-circuit route.

According to the poll you like to refer to only 1/3 of the people who are against instant transfers are okay with a 'minor delay'. The other 2/3 wants it to take at LEAST a large fraction of what it would manually have cost. So no, it doesnt fix it for the 'immersion crowd'. It also adds a pointless timer with zero gameplay value for everyone. And its even more work for FD to get this crappy middle position thing going. The point of this feature is exactly that you do NOT have to 'do a quick mission or whatever', but that you get to actually do what you want to do. As said: a small delay solves nothing and adds gameplay-devoid timesinks, a major delay defeats the very purpose of the feature. So its either no transfer or instant transfer. FD goes with instant transfer. Everyone is free to disagree with whatever, but its a bit annoying when people just get this kind of discussions into an endless loop.

You find 5 minutes delay 'immersive' and a good addition to ED? Fine. Others want 0m. Or 600m. The arguments are on the table, have been discussed to death and FD made a choice which will at some point be tested in some beta. Feel welcome to disagree, but if you really want to continue the "hey, if FD just did what I want, everyone's problems will be solved!" approach there is no point in discussing it.

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Well today I earned an accidental bounty in my home system due to collision with a ship in a res site.
Consequently at present I have effectively been exiled for the next week.

I managed to sneak into my home station and swap my vulture for an Asp which I am using now to explore. However I could not risk losing my Anaconda or Python due to a scan near the station.

Under the new mechanic I could escape in my Asp then do a Ship transfer to my Disaster Recovery station.

This has the benefit of allowing me to continue with varied game play, rather than being somewhat hamstrung for the next 6 days.

However it does bypass some of the potential consequences and emergent gameplay of illegal activity, which could be considered a minor exploit.

Things like this can be 'fixed' over-time. Balancing instant transfer can come in all kinds of ways: have cost and range be dependent on ship's total value and jumprange would fix fleets of corvettes going back and forth to jacques. With crime being attached tio cmdrs rather than ships you can 'block' transfers of 'impounded' ships. We are already going to get the 'shady contact' that can lift the bounty for you, so you'll have a choice. Sneak in manually and 'steal' the ship, or bribe the shady contact and get the instant transfer. One is free but risky, the other is expensive but risk-free. Risk/reward and all that.

People are WAY to focussed on being panicky and gloomy and spend way too little time in thinking constructively and creatively.

 

[jprelph]

According to the poll you like to refer to only 1/3 of the people who are against instant transfers are okay with a 'minor delay'. The other 2/3 wants it to take at LEAST a large fraction of what it would manually have cost. So no, it doesnt fix it for the 'immersion crowd'. It also adds a pointless timer with zero gameplay value for everyone. And its even more work for FD to get this crappy middle position thing going. The point of this feature is exactly that you do NOT have to 'do a quick mission or whatever', but that you get to actually do what you want to do. As said: a small delay solves nothing and adds gameplay-devoid timesinks, a major delay defeats the very purpose of the feature. So its either no transfer or instant transfer. FD goes with instant transfer. Everyone is free to disagree with whatever, but its a bit annoying when people just get this kind of discussions into an endless loop.

You find 5 minutes delay 'immersive' and a good addition to ED? Fine. Others want 0m. Or 600m. The arguments are on the table, have been discussed to death and FD made a choice which will at some point be tested in some beta. Feel welcome to disagree, but if you really want to continue the "hey, if FD just did what I want, everyone's problems will be solved!" approach there is no point in discussing it.

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Things like this can be 'fixed' over-time. Balancing instant transfer can come in all kinds of ways: have cost and range be dependent on ship's total value and jumprange would fix fleets of corvettes going back and forth to jacques. With crime being attached tio cmdrs rather than ships you can 'block' transfers of 'impounded' ships. We are already going to get the 'shady contact' that can lift the bounty for you, so you'll have a choice. Sneak in manually and 'steal' the ship, or bribe the shady contact and get the instant transfer. One is free but risky, the other is expensive but risk-free. Risk/reward and all that.

People are WAY to focussed on being panicky and gloomy and spend way too little time in thinking constructively and creatively.

What poll I like to refer to? I don't think I've referred to a poll once? Can you let me know which one? I think you're twisting things as well because it's pretty obvious that people who want a long delay are going to be happier with some delay rather than none - and the delay is there for gameplay reasons, as I said it stops the short circuiting of the return legs for thing like PowerPlay fort/prep or CGs or hailing missions.

It's quite sad that this forum really has got to the point where people want things their way or it's just not good enough - there doesn't seem to be any acceptance that a compromise solution is possible or that it is worth investigating. It makes the whole idea of a discussion forum rather moot, doesn't it?

 

[Ian Skippy]

What poll I like to refer to? I don't think I've referred to a poll once? Can you let me know which one? I think you're twisting things as well because it's pretty obvious that people who want a long delay are going to be happier with some delay rather than none - and the delay is there for gameplay reasons, as I said it stops the short circuiting of the return legs for thing like PowerPlay fort/prep or CGs or hailing missions.

It's quite sad that this forum really has got to the point where people want things their way or it's just not good enough - there doesn't seem to be any acceptance that a compromise solution is possible or that it is worth investigating. It makes the whole idea of a discussion forum rather moot, doesn't it?

Last post for a bit (I can see the sun through my windows which is something of a miracle around here!): I am not saying that it is MY opinion, or its what I want. I am not even entirely sure what I want, to be honest. I am just saying that is the given argumentation why instant is better than delayed. You can also find the arguments for 'long delay' and 'small delay' in this absurd +-7000 post topic, including the poll: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Instant-Ship-and-Module-Transport-Yay-or-Nay

If you didnt refer to it, I got you confused with someone else so my apologies!