General / Off-Topic Interstellar Movie

I saw this yesterday. In IMAX. Incredible. Nolan's film was chanelling 2001, the original Solaris, Grapes of Wrath and Contact with some familiar Nolan touches. I might have to see it again as I was sat right at the front to the extreme left, having to get up for people who needed the toilet.

What did you think of it?
 
Saw it yesterday as well! A fantastic movie and a member of the very rare breed of cerebral science-fiction movies these days. Minimal action but a lot of smart dialog about current scientific concepts. Beautifully shot, too. I wholeheartedly recommend it.
 
Just saw it. Indeed great movie showing you dont need space laser or dogfights to make a great space movie.

Also did those guys never hear of Super Cruise??? 2 years to get to Saturn??



J/K :p
 
I saw this yesterday. In IMAX. Incredible. Nolan's film was chanelling 2001, the original Solaris, Grapes of Wrath and Contact with some familiar Nolan touches. I might have to see it again as I was sat right at the front to the extreme left, having to get up for people who needed the toilet.

What did you think of it?

It should be forbidden to go to the toilet during a film screening ;)

I saw it last night. There were some great scenes in there but overall I thought it was fairly average.

In the French press, they say the same thing. Above all, they say that the technical dialogues are incomprehensible to the uninitiated. Therefore for the majority
 
I also just saw this film in IMAX last night, definately they way to see it if you can.

I dont think I have made so many different faces whilst watching a film, the impact of the IMAX and vibrations of the sound system were nearly overwhelming in some places (like the wave riding scene!).

I loved it, perhaps beacuse I do understand the physics (wouldn't most of its target audience?), especially the robots who were IMO the best characters (the humour stuff in particular) ;)
 
Watched it yesterday, and while i did enjoy it i was expecting much more.
Overall i think nolan aced it by putting focus on the emotional and human aspect of things, but i found some scenes unneccesary, as if they just had to throw some action in there, but completely out of place and illogical.

Was expecting something a bit more "science" and little less "fiction" overall.

And the AI "droids" was an aweful and silly design.
 
It should be forbidden to go to the toilet during a film screening ;)



In the French press, they say the same thing. Above all, they say that the technical dialogues are incomprehensible to the uninitiated. Therefore for the majority

Not sure about incomprehensible, but often cringey. Anyone that has seen the movie will surely have facepalmed at the explanation of the wormhole to the supposedly intelligent lead character. It was embarrassing.
 
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Above all, they say that the technical dialogues are incomprehensible to the uninitiated.

More like "incomprehensible to the uneducated". They dumbed it down quite a bit and did a lot of unnecessary exposition and repetition to make these concepts really clear for the average movie goer. Still, I commend Interstellar for taking it even that far, in a world where other movies claim that supernovae can destroy whole galaxies (Star Trek (2009)).
 
It was ok, the idea of entering a black hole to get to his daughters bedroom on a farm is silly to say the least, but there were some good scenes.
 
I think those droids were trying to channel Hal 9000 :p

Yeah, they looked alot like the monolith aswell!
While they served up some funny moments, i still found them horribly designed.
I sighed long and hard when it reached out its "arm" and grabbed the joystick...
 
Interstellar Movie - Discussion

All I can say is WOW :eek:.
I really captures travelling to other systems/galaxy's like no other film has done before, it captures that same feeling I get when playing Elite! If ED was a movie, it would probably be Interstellar.

Matthew McConaughey did a brilliant job, it's a rollercoaster of a journey (2 hours 50 mins).. Even hit me right in the feels (I hope I'm not alone on this :()

Please use Spoiler tags for those who haven't seen the film!
 
Note - Includes Spoilers

So, I haven't made up my mind whether its a really great movie or not.
Its a beautifully shot and well acted movie and reasonably thought provoking and lots of human emotion too, pretty much on par with what I'd expect from Nolan.
Now I may require a rewatch as I'm not entirely sure I got the full picture in a few places, but honestly, my heart sank at some (what I thought) fairly basic science oversights and cheesy explanations dialogue.

[WARNING: Spoilers in my points below. You really don't want to open those spoiler tags if you're still intending to watch the movie. I MEAN IT!]

Some of the things that spoiled my immersion. As I said, I might not have got the full gist of it on the first watch, but these points did sort of rattle my meter a bit, and I can usually stretch my plausibilty belief framework pretty far.
  • We've just been caught trespassing a highly secret NASA base and we find out our old professor is running the show there, so hey, a massive conicidental get-out-of-jail-free card. Exactly one hour later our hero is told that the program simply cannot get off the ground without his involvement. Now that may well have been correct, but this decision was made in ONE HOUR? Really? Before that, Cooper didn't even exist to them and an hour later he's in on the program without even going for an interview or meeting the original pilot in command.
  • Yaay, we're going to space. The way we get up there is to use a 3 stage rocket before we attain orbit with our cool little shuttle ship thing. Great, even looked believable. So then we head on through a wormhole and we land on other planets with the same little shuttle which can now seemingly punch through the atmosphere on its own without any further need for multi stage rockets. So why did we need them for Earth?
  • Alright cool, we've left earth and docked with our spinny not-really-station station, lets spin her up to get some gravity. OK, cool, we got gravity now (but really we're still sitting in the little shuttle ship which is right in the center where, um, theres almost no centrifugal force and thus no gravity, yet eveyone is walking around just fine)
  • So, um, lets see, it takes 18 months to fly out past Saturn, hit the wormhole, and now we're through, OK, lets quickly just fly to one of those three planets over there quickly. It'll take maybe a day or so now, so no need to bother going back into hibernation (speculation, but all travel in the new solar system seemed to happen in moments)
  • Why is it (in Hollywood sci fi) that whenever a wormhole appears in our solar system that it will have an exit point in a galaxy completely different from our own. I mean, sheeesh, is living in a galaxy having 400 billion star systems and having a diameter of 70000 light years not enough space to find a suitable exit point for the other side of said wormhole. I mean, its not like you can tell the difference that you're in another galaxy vs only 10000 light years away in the same galaxy.
  • Right, we're through the wormhole. Gee look, there are 3 planets here, all of them potentially life supporting (wow, imagine that, in the same solar system, but okay, I can stretch a bit of plausibility for good story telling). I think its safe to first choose that little planet over there thats orbiting that FRICKING MASSIVE BLACK HOLE, because gee, that seems like a real safe place to consider moving our entire human species as a possible safe haven for the rest of the future of humanity. (and I'm not even going to try to understand how they can decipher what the beacon is telling them from the previous downed ship with all the time dilation effects surrounding that planet)
  • Speaking of which, so the time dilation effects only affect the people on the planet. Apparently if you're in orbit, you're completely free of those effects. So the time dilation event horizon stops in the upper atmosphere because its, uh, closer to the black hole. Like orbiting the planet would never take you around to the other side of it thus making the orbiting ship closer to the black hole. Yeah, silly thinking on my part.
  • So our original plan of approaching the planet from underneath is going to waste a lot of fuel, here, let me draw a picture the depicts us saving a huge amount of fuel by using an approach vector that takes us ABOVE the planet instead. Stunned silence and everyone nods in agreement thinking, hey, wow, how come we never thought of that?
  • We've said good bye to the girl and we're dropping at a rapid pace toward the black hole event horizon, any moment now, the gravitational forces should be so strong that I'm expecting that ship to be completely disintegrated even before we hit the event horizon. I mean, ITS A FREAKING MASSIVE BLACK HOLE - not even light can escape. (And as a Hollywood aside, I think a huge opportunity was missed by actually NOT having a special effect showing the entry across the event horizon, but hey, thats just me). OK, honestly, I have a bit of a hard time believing that a black hole is a survivable thing. I enjoyed the Black Hole movie from Disney all those years ago, but have long since grown out of that mind set. Nothing in the movie showed me that the future 'helpers' had sufficient techonology to manipulate this kind of a force of nature.
  • OK, so we're trapped in a multidimensional room behind Murphs bookcase, we're trying to give her information to stop Cooper from leaving. So heres a good idea, lets give out the coordinates to the secret base that does exactly the opposite and catalyses the whole adventure in the first place, thus starting the story all over again.
  • Right, so the third and last planet really is a candidate for human habitation. Awesome. But wait, isn't this planet part of this same solar system that is STILL ORBITING A FREAKING HUGE BLACK HOLE that is slowly sucking all nearby matter into it? (OK, they didn't exactly say humans were ultimately going to live there, but they sure alluded to it) And really, what this point really boils down to is why bother surveying a system for habitaion that had a black hole for a sun in the first place. The original team should have just turned around and come back home. (Because I bet some of you might say that they werent really there looking for human habitats at all, but there specifically for the black hole. But then how come no one on the new mission questioned this before they set out on the mission, since they seemed to know what they were getting into?)
There were probably a few other questionable points, but these were the ones that stood out quite clearly for me.

And throughout all that dialogue, it may have been there, but I completely missed exactly what this whole gravity experiment was supposed to accomplish. Why did they NEED to get data from inside the black hole. (Yes, I know to complete the equation or something, but what was it all for? It sure didn't look like it was needed to save the human race.) Hopefully a second viewing will enlighten me. But that aside, there were way too many cheesy explanations for things. I know things needed to be explained simply, but it really came across a bit like a surfer boy getting a revelation into a new way to ride a wave. "Hey man, theres no them, man, its us. It was US that did all this. From the future, like, man." (OK, its just a dig at the dialogue, I think Mathew McConaughey is a decent enough actor on the whole)

And while I did think the robots were sort of cool, I also don't think their design is particularly practical. But I'm no engineer, so what do I know. I must add that I thought the robot was going to do a very cliched 'I've been programmed with a higher directive your existence is no longer useful' type plot twist, but I was pleasantly surprised that the robot was one of the good guys throughout the movie.

Having said all this, I did feel that there was a lot to like in the movie as well, and my hat goes off to Nolan for attempting something this ambitious. I'm just not quite sure that this will end up in my DVD collection the way Inception did.

Anyway, I was wondering whether we're going to see a Cooper Station around Saturn once Elite (full) is released into the wild. :)
 
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So, I haven't made up my mind whether its a really great movie or not.
Its a beautifully shot and well acted movie and reasonably thought provoking and lots of human emotion too, pretty much on par with what I'd expect from Nolan.
Now I may require a rewatch as I'm not entirely sure I got the full picture in a few places, but honestly, my heart sank at some (what I thought) fairly basic science oversights and cheesy explanations dialogue.

[WARNING: Spoilers in my points below. You really don't want to open those spoiler tags if you're still intending to watch the movie. I MEAN IT!]

Some of the things that spoiled my immersion. As I said, I might not have got the full gist of it on the first watch, but these points did sort of rattle my meter a bit, and I can usually stretch my plausibilty belief framework pretty far.
  • We've just been caught trespassing a highly secret NASA base and we find out our old professor is running the show there, so hey, a massive conicidental get-out-of-jail-free card. Exactly one hour later our hero is told that the program simply cannot get off the ground without his involvement. Now that may well have been correct, but this decision was made in ONE HOUR? Really? Before that, Cooper didn't even exist to them and an hour later he's in on the program without even going for an interview or meeting the original pilot in command.
  • Yaay, we're going to space. The way we get up there is to use a 3 stage rocket before we attain orbit with our cool little shuttle ship thing. Great, even looked believable. So then we head on through a wormhole and we land on other planets with the same little shuttle which can now seemingly punch through the atmosphere on its own without any further need for multi stage rockets. So why did we need them for Earth?
  • Alright cool, we've left earth and docked with our spinny not-really-station station, lets spin her up to get some gravity. OK, cool, we got gravity now (but really we're still sitting in the little shuttle ship which is right in the center where, um, theres almost no centrifugal force and thus no gravity, yet eveyone is walking around just fine)
  • So, um, lets see, it takes 18 months to fly out past Saturn, hit the wormhole, and now we're through, OK, lets quickly just fly to one of those three planets over there quickly. It'll take maybe a day or so now, so no need to bother going back into hibernation (speculation, but all travel in the new solar system seemed to happen in moments)
  • Why is it (in Hollywood sci fi) that whenever a wormhole appears in our solar system that it will have an exit point in a galaxy completely different from our own. I mean, sheeesh, is living in a galaxy having 400 billion star systems and having a diameter of 70000 light years not enough space to find a suitable exit point for the other side of said wormhole. I mean, its not like you can tell the difference that you're in another galaxy vs only 10000 light years away in the same galaxy.
  • Right, we're through the wormhole. Gee look, there are 3 planets here, all of them potentially life supporting (wow, imagine that, in the same solar system, but okay, I can stretch a bit of plausibility for good story telling). I think its safe to first choose that little planet over there thats orbiting that FRICKING MASSIVE BLACK HOLE, because gee, that seems like a real safe place to consider moving our entire human species as a possible safe haven for the rest of the future of humanity. (and I'm not even going to try to understand how they can decipher what the beacon is telling them from the previous downed ship with all the time dilation effects surrounding that planet)
  • Speaking of which, so the time dilation effects only affect the people on the planet. Apparently if you're in orbit, you're completely free of those effects. So the time dilation event horizon stops in the upper atmosphere because its, uh, closer to the black hole. Like orbiting the planet would never take you around to the other side of it thus making the orbiting ship closer to the black hole. Yeah, silly thinking on my part.
  • So our original plan of approaching the planet from underneath is going to waste a lot of fuel, here, let me draw a picture the depicts us saving a huge amount of fuel by using an approach vector that takes us ABOVE the planet instead. Stunned silence and everyone nods in agreement thinking, hey, wow, how come we never thought of that?
  • We've said good bye to the girl and we're dropping at a rapid pace toward the black hole event horizon, any moment now, the gravitational forces should be so strong that I'm expecting that ship to be completely disintegrated even before we hit the event horizon. I mean, ITS A FREAKING MASSIVE BLACK HOLE - not even light can escape. (And as a Hollywood aside, I think a huge opportunity was missed by actually NOT having a special effect showing the entry across the event horizon, but hey, thats just me). OK, honestly, I have a bit of a hard time believing that a black hole is a survivable thing. I enjoyed the Black Hole movie from Disney all those years ago, but have long since grown out of that mind set. Nothing in the movie showed me that the future 'helpers' had sufficient techonology to manipulate this kind of a force of nature.
  • OK, so we're trapped in a multidimensional room behind Murphs bookcase, we're trying to give her information to stop Cooper from leaving. So heres a good idea, lets give out the coordinates to the secret base that does exactly the opposite and catalyses the whole adventure in the first place, thus starting the story all over again.
  • Right, so the third and last planet really is a candidate for human habitation. Awesome. But wait, isn't this planet part of this same solar system that is STILL ORBITING A FREAKING HUGE BLACK HOLE that is slowly sucking all nearby matter into it? (OK, they didn't exactly say humans were ultimately going to live there, but they sure alluded to it) And really, what this point really boils down to is why bother surveying a system for habitaion that had a black hole for a sun in the first place. The original team should have just turned around and come back home. (Because I bet some of you might say that they werent really there looking for human habitats at all, but there specifically for the black hole. But then how come no one on the new mission questioned this before they set out on the mission, since they seemed to know what they were getting into?)
There were probably a few other questionable points, but these were the ones that stood out quite clearly for me.

And throughout all that dialogue, it may have been there, but I completely missed exactly what this whole gravity experiment was supposed to accomplish. Why did they NEED to get data from inside the black hole. (Yes, I know to complete the equation or something, but what was it all for? It sure didn't look like it was needed to save the human race.) Hopefully a second viewing will enlighten me. But that aside, there were way too many cheesy explanations for things. I know things needed to be explained simply, but it really came across a bit like a surfer boy getting a revelation into a new way to ride a wave. "Hey man, theres no them, man, its us. It was US that did all this. From the future, like, man." (OK, its just a dig at the dialogue, I think Mathew McConaughey is a decent enough actor on the whole)

And while I did think the robots were sort of cool, I also don't think their design is particularly practical. But I'm no engineer, so what do I know. I must add that I thought the robot was going to do a very cliched 'I've been programmed with a higher directive your existence is no longer useful' type plot twist, but I was pleasantly surprised that the robot was one of the good guys throughout the movie.

Having said all this, I did feel that there was a lot to like in the movie as well, and my hat goes off to Nolan for attempting something this ambitious. I'm just not quite sure that this will end up in my DVD collection the way Inception did.

Anyway, I was wondering whether we're going to see a Cooper Station around Saturn once Elite (full) is released into the wild. :)

That was quite a post and I'll try and give you some feedback. I'll use the same order on your bullet points. Will also have spoilers so click the button on your own risk if you haven't watched the movie


1- This fall into the "chosen one" category, yes I know it doesn't make much sense but as no one was supposed to find that base and the fact that his professor was heading the project, well made him the "Neo" of this movie.
2- I'm with you on this one, but I think they said gravity was different on those planets, assuming is way less than earth they could make it.
3- Totally agree, they should had at least a room or something on the edge of the spinning thing to get gravity.
4- I have two explanations for this: a) The wormhole was vacuuming everything hence getting the planets closer. b) They discovered that Super Cruise was a feature on their ship :D
5- I guess this was to make the movie more "epic" as going into another galaxy.
6- Agree with you, but maybe they went to the Prometheus school of science.
7- See point 6 but this time it was the writers.
8- I'll summarize this one "it's a movie".
9- Here I thought the movie was going to end in the old time paradox, were what happened already happened and cannot be changed and we were just seeing it from another perspective, reason why I did not liked the ending.
10- Again scientists in this movie went to the Prometheus school of science.

The gravity thing I did not understand either, maybe I'll have to watch it again, their accent was sometimes weird and English is not my native language :)

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Point 9: Now that I think about it and since the movie involves talking about dimensions, maybe he saved his daughter in another dimension not in his, it would have been an awesome end credits scene showing his dimension with humanity actually in demise (no I'm not a sociopath my mother had me tested)
 
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That was quite a post and I'll try and give you some feedback.

Lol, you're right. I tapped it out last night on my PC and it didn't look all that intimidating. I browsed it again on my tablet on the train to work this morning and I had to scroll down more than 2 screens, which looked far more imposing.

Thanks for your comments, and for not taking my post too seriously. :) I had fun reflecting on the movie and its flaws, resulting in my unplanned wall of text, but you're absolutely correct. Its just a movie and despite its flaws and confusing plot line, still a pretty good experience.

Side note: Despite the terrible science in Prometheus, if you just take Prometheus as a movie that sets up the Alien movies, then the science plotline is just a vessel to get to the real story. For some reason I didn't find the science fantasy in Prometheus as jarring as the flaws in Interstellar which portrays the use of science as the core plotline.
 
Lol, you're right. I tapped it out last night on my PC and it didn't look all that intimidating. I browsed it again on my tablet on the train to work this morning and I had to scroll down more than 2 screens, which looked far more imposing.

Thanks for your comments, and for not taking my post too seriously. :) I had fun reflecting on the movie and its flaws, resulting in my unplanned wall of text, but you're absolutely correct. Its just a movie and despite its flaws and confusing plot line, still a pretty good experience.

Side note: Despite the terrible science in Prometheus, if you just take Prometheus as a movie that sets up the Alien movies, then the science plotline is just a vessel to get to the real story. For some reason I didn't find the science fantasy in Prometheus as jarring as the flaws in Interstellar which portrays the use of science as the core plotline.

Sorry to get off topic. I loved prometheus I even have the Bray, but the scientis in the movie are down right stupid, even after watching the deleted scenes doesnt make up for that. Still great movie as it was Interestellar, crossing my fingers for an alternate ending on blue ray showing a more grim future :D

People complaining about the robot. I think it was very imaginative not to have an android, maybe the shape was not the best but at least it wasnt a humanoidd robot or an R2D2, and to me, they were going for a HAL 9000 on steroids :p I was waiting for the robot at some point to say "Im sorry Cooper, Im afraid I cannot let you do that"
 
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A few things that ruined it for me:

1. Black hole bookshelf mumbo jumbo. But as they did go that route, I would have preferred if they just had a long scene of white bright light and coopers talking/thinking in the background. Trying to portray a 5 dimensional portal to past and future just looked awful and silly. As they said, we cant comprehend it so why even bother trying to show it…


2. Stupid and illogically designed robot helpers with alot of needless humour for a dystopian drama movie.
I think i mentioned it earlier, but when the robat takes control of the docking process it actually uses its "arm" to control a joystick…Seriously…


3. Someone pointed this out already, but the spaceship could magically decend/ascend from first the waterplanet then the iceplanet without the need for additional engines. Just like star wars…


4. Completely needless action scene at the waterplanet, with a needless death. The one standing next to the spaceship the entire time somehow ends up dead, yet the one far far away and somehow unexplainably trapped under some wreckage survives….what the hell?

5. Once again needless heroic hollywood trash when cooper decided to send his only surviving companion alone to the last and "possibly" inhabitable planet while he himself goes for some sacrificing blackhole suicide, all this without even giving her a chance to decide for herself.

Had they both gone into the black hole she wouldnt have to be trapped all alone on some planet in another galaxy.
which leads me to…


6. At the end cooper goes on a quest to find this lady he forced to land on an unknown planet all alone.
I expect that in this future, mankind has indeed unlocked the secret of FTL travel thanks to his black hole experience. But does he know where to go? If so, why doesnt everyone else? And if they do, why havent they retreived her yet?

The fans of ED that we are, we know that our collective effort still wont discover the entirely of even our own galaxy, yet cooper decides to go on a hunt in the rest of the UNIVERSE to find this future love of his.


Okay there is more that annoyed the hell out of me in this movie, but I want to say that the only reason I feel so disappointed is because I expected so much. Nolan and hard sci-fi sounded too good to be true, and apperently it was.
Ill rewatch this movie on blueray down the line, and probably find it much more enjoyable as a regular sci-fi movie, but IMO Nolan hit the post with this one :/

Id rate it 3/5 overall, though acting and visuals where mostly superb!
 
Just been to see it. It was pretty amazing. Couple nice twists, some obvious, excellent effects, and yeah - right in the feels!
 
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