Interview with SDC about Salome.

[Pyrotiger]

Eeeeeeehhh... It's a book targeting a very niche group of readers. I wouldn't be too proud.

Now if Stephen King or someone of equal fame were writing it, I'd be proud as hell.

Yeah, but this is the thing...you get your name in something (perhaps it happened to me, maybe or maybe not, it doesn't matter). At first you think, wow. Then you realise, big deal. Because it really doesn't matter. Nothing changes.

In fairness, achieving mastery over a difficult skill - like those really good at PvP, or writing a book, or playing a top notch guitar solo...that's actually more impressive in my book. A name on a page...that feeling is like a sugar rush, fun and ego stroking, but it won't last or satisfy. No sour grapes involved!

 

[Lucian667]

As important and inevitable as it clearly is for the sleeping dog crowd to beat their chests, screech and throw poo at people, did you really have to make yet another salami thread rather than use one of the many, many existing salami threads? I think most of us have been force fed enough salami to last a lifetime.

 

[Cpt Spaulding]

Where do I start with a ridiculous retort like that?

I don't really. Because DSC are not important.

By the way, it's not 'the book'. It's 'a book', one of 130 million published books if estimates are right. No disrespect to the author, but it's a niche market, and even though I'm sure he is skilled at his craft, it's not exactly going to be a bestseller.

Good for you if it's the highlight of your life!

Eeeeeeehhh... It's a book targeting a very niche group of readers. I wouldn't be too proud.

Now if Stephen King or someone of equal fame were writing it, I'd be proud as hell.

Totally agree here. A book I'll never read, by an author I've never heard of, about a game I only discovered a few months ago...
Almost but not quite on par with having one's name immortalized on the restroom wall of a subway station.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8613/16223507887_1e0ac42899_b.jpg

Lol!
The salt thickens!

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As important and inevitable as it clearly is for the sleeping dog crowd to beat their chests, screech and throw poo at people, did you really have to make yet another salami thread rather than use one of the many, many existing salami threads? I think most of us have been force fed enough salami to last a lifetime.

Agreed...
Time for Bologné.

 

[Pyrotiger]

There's no salt to thicken. No salt on a stale cheese sandwich.

However, there could be injuries caused by excessive rolling of eyes, I give you that...

 

[Ouberos]

Salome just won't lie down and die will she? I think she should get a second chance and we can do it all again.

On another note, rep to Bacon for bringing us the interviews behind the in game drama's again.

 

[Winterwalker]

they could have been a little better organized, a lot not great with comms discipline and direction.

we began to sow doubt and confusion

Hehe. Good on yer!

[video=youtube;ZpPIcwIV46U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpPIcwIV46U[/video]

We simply had a shot presented to us, and we took the shot

Good interview!

 

[PeLucheuh]

Salome just won't lie down and die will she? I think she should get a second chance and we can do it all again.

On another note, rep to Bacon for bringing us the interviews behind the in game drama's again.

She is dead : https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/03-MAY-3303

 

[Valethar]

Hmm.. Something about this seems similar.....


[video=youtube_share;8cuihrjLNAo]https://youtu.be/8cuihrjLNAo[/video]

 

[JosiahD]

Excuse me if I don't believe, care about or take notice of anything that anyone from SDC says, about anything, ever. Of course, they won't care that I don't care......but then again, if my not caring gets me on their KoS list (if I'm not there already) maybe they do care after all?

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I'm sorry but I'm not following your logic. Read Red Anders's post immediately before yours (I suspect you were typing yours at the same time and didn't see it). You could have as many in-game tools as you like, it won't stop people acting like entitled tools in-game.

Indeed.....

 

[Red Anders]

Elite will suffer as long as everything need to be managed and organized by players and completely with out any in game tools to help in this. If the game had support to host events like this or even simplistic real player faction system/ way to organice/form player group in game, then there would be no problems. Like ability to tag more than 3 players to be on your side. What PAC did was the only way to have any kind of organized defense that could actually work. If they had done it other vice it would have been just be huge free for all fight and not fight between 2 parties. This is the best they could do with tools frontier has given to players. This event is perfect showcase why we need better tools for players to form groups and represent their group in game and how important player group tools are for the game.

P.S. its funny how player here on forums are so vocal how you are just one pilot in this universe and that you are not hero or significant factor, but then they rage because their role was just that in this event. They after all all want to be the hero and others being the random, meaningless cmdr

Your first point is extremely valid. The p.s. though, I've genuinely not seen anybody whose complaints were rooted in wanting to be 'the hero'. Most of them seem to be about being very specifically told that they must be the lowest schmuck, or get blown away. They didn't want to be Han but they didn't want to be Red Four either. They just don't seem to have had the opportunity to engage with the event with the type of gameplay it was seemingly supposed to provide.

In fact since the mission was to defend or attack Salome and defence against hundreds of players can't ever really be a single-handed thing, the only opportunity the event was ever going to present for a single player to be the centre of attention was, well... the one that actually happened.

Depressingly, I now feel that I have to point out that I don't have any issue whatsoever with what the boy Potter did, in fact I'd go further than that and say that the whole planning and delivery of it was entirely in keeping with the background of intrigue and suspense that drove the whole Salome storyline from the start.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

A tad OT maybe, but : why does the recent GALnet Article state killed by a Bounty Hunter known as "Besieger" ??!

Shouldn't it read : Killed by notorious Harry "The Legend" Potter ?

And SDC isn't exactly a Group of Bounty Hunters, right?

 

[Winterwalker]

Excuse me if I don't believe, care about or take notice of anything that anyone from SDC says, about anything, ever. Of course, they won't care that I don't care......but then again, if my not caring gets me on their KoS list (if I'm not there already) maybe they do care after all?

So good to see groups like SDC in the game though, regardless of whether you can trust them or not.
I suppose then, the KOS list, is the right place to be.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Very impartial interview. Elbow deep into the backside.

 

[Thetele]

I'm sorry but I'm not following your logic. Read Red Anders's post immediately before yours (I suspect you were typing yours at the same time and didn't see it). You could have as many in-game tools as you like, it won't stop people acting like entitled tools in-game.

They could have players to sing in teams, Be tagged to be part of that team and not being able to friendly fire players tagged to be in same team. It would allow to see how is on your side and who is on other side and also allow to distribute rewards if needed. Basic stuff in many games. No need for players to host the event. But this would mean frontier would need to do this actively.

If they want player to be able to organize events then they need to give us ways for the players to organize stuff. It won't remove all problems but will make it much easier to do right as now there is no way to even attempt to do it right.

 

[JosiahD]

In fact since the mission was to defend or attack Salome and defence against hundreds of players can't ever really be a single-handed thing, the only opportunity the event was ever going to present for a single player to be the centre of attention was, well... the one that actually happened.

And even that was largely due to one defender experiencing a game client crash at the time and another having the wing nav lock incorrectly dropping them 50ls away, effectively preventing the close defence that had been reasonably effective up to that point. Arguably the opportunity for the kill was as much, if not more, due to problems with the game client than skill on any player's part, not forgetting the effort to deceive PAC in the lead-up though to get close to the target. The kill may have ended up being the result of the whole event anyway, but the contribution of the game client issues to the way the kill eventuated cannot be ignored.

 

[Winterwalker]

If they want player to be able to organize events then they need to give us ways for the players to organize stuff. It won't remove all problems but will make it much easier to do right as now there is no way to even attempt to do it right.

It's a good point. Hopefully Premonition won't be the last event of this kind and having had a taste people will be able to get it together for the next one. What's cool imo is the element of people not really knowing what to expect, so I hope that gets carried forward. It seems to me ideal if people come as organised groups but the mission itself isn't revealed until it's already starting, so group organising during the event is a time critical problem solver (different from CG's where you know basically what to expect each time).

 

[biot]

They could have players to sing in teams,

I know this is a typo (I think!) and I promise you I am not making fun of you but this made me LOL. The image of people teaming up to sing in ED just has a Pythonesque quality to it that appeals to my childish mind.

Be tagged to be part of that team and not being able to friendly fire players tagged to be in same team.

Now that you mention it I do agree that this would be a significant addition. While it would not stop people from acting like spoilt brats it would certainly allow those who want to group in a constructive and inclusive manner not to have to worry about infiltration by plonkers.

 

[akaliel]

Had to laugh at this ...

"Harry will be donating a significant portion of his reward to some newbies in a yet-to-be-announced event. Can’t give any more details on it."

https://thecinematicpackrat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/the-child-catcher.jpg

"Come along children ... all free today!"

lol you beat me to it. A dozen newbs jump into an instance where they can compete for an award from Harry. And don't bring your guns! It's not that kind of contest. Don't worry, it'll be ok...

 

[Bacon<3]

Excuse me if I don't believe, care about or take notice of anything that anyone from SDC says, about anything, ever. Of course, they won't care that I don't care......but then again, if my not caring gets me on their KoS list (if I'm not there already) maybe they do care after all?

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Indeed.....

Thank you for informing us that you don't care.

 

[Don Alvarez]

A lot of people felt that the official comms for PAC was elitest and many were turned away. Do you feel that this was the case?

I don’t, at all.

So, claims they weren't acting in an Elitist manner...

A lot of people came to the PAC Discord wanting to get involved and help where they were needed, and they were given a specific set of builds and specific tasks suited to their skills. Unfortunately, many players think they are more skilled than they actually are, and wanted to bring fully fit combat ships so they could get kills and die in glorious battle. The fact is that 99% of those that wanted to bring combat ships had little-to-no PvP experience, making them worse than useless.

The main issue PAC had to face was the lack of a viable IFF system. How do you determine who is a threat if there are hundreds of players, all with weapons? You make sure that the people you don’t want fighting don’t have weapons so you can ignore them. Instead, we got a bunch of try-hards showing up in their NPC slayers that were dying left and right and occupying resources that couldn’t be spared.

What it really came down to was this: do you want to help the mission, or do you want to hurt it? Some players were put off by the idea that they weren’t going to be this pivotal person in the narrative because they were having delusions of grandeur. Sad to see, really.

Then explains how 99% of players are Not Gud, were a waste of their resources and should have just stood home with their delusions of grandeur. Sad to see, really.