Modes Is attacking clean players (not npcs) in Open harassment?

[Sylveria]

As to attacking clean players in Open (which is the thread topic) I believe that given the current situation of C&P which basically amounts to C without the P, it's impossible to determine whether it's "harassment" given Frontier's inaction when it comes to wanton murder and apparent catering to "random" criminality.

That said, the best option is to avoid playing in Open if your wish is not to be involved in "asymmetrical PvP". Becuase when you log into Open, Open also logs into you...

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Mouse = little rodent.

There are other little rodents.

 

[tafkabb]

Thread cleaned up.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Might as well wonder, is attacking clean players in Open murder?

Well, yes it is.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/murder

informal A very difficult or unpleasant task or experience.

‘the 40-mile-per-hour winds at the summit were murder’

2.1 Conclusively defeat (an opponent) in a game or sport.

 

[Jockey79]

Might as well wonder, is attacking clean players in Open murder?

Well, yes it is.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/murder

Does the ATR get dispatched to deal with those murder winds?
Or are the winds just another part of Elite immune to any real punishment from C&P?

Perhaps the winds should be locked to open, to face their victims.

 

[tolm]

We simply need an “Open PvE” mode where you can’t fire when targeting other players, any “no targeting” player to player damage is zero and anyone reported (and proved) to have rammed another player to death / into a star / etc is banned from that mode for life.

Then the current “Open PvP” mode is exactly what everyone says it is with an implicit accepted risk of random destruction by another player but those of us that would like to play PvE with other folks around to make the galaxy feel more “alive” aren’t penalised for not wanting PvP.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Does the ATR get dispatched to deal with those murder winds?
Or are the winds just another part of Elite immune to any real punishment from C&P?

Perhaps the winds should be locked to open, to face their victims.

LOL.

 

[tafkabb]

No more personal attacks please, or the thread will be closed.

 

[Jockey79]

We simply need an “Open PvE” mode where you can’t fire when targeting other players, any “no targeting” player to player damage is zero and anyone reported (and proved) to have rammed another player to death / into a star / etc is banned from that mode for life.

Then the current “Open PvP” mode is exactly what everyone says it is with an implicit accepted risk of random destruction by another player but those of us that would like to play PvE with other folks around to make the galaxy feel more “alive” aren’t penalised for not wanting PvP.

We've asked for an Open PvE Mode, but the answer was a flat no, with the excuse that players would only find a way to harm each other anyway.

So the current selective mode system is the "best" solution in Frontiers eyes.

 

[tolm]

We've asked for an Open PvE Mode, but the answer was a flat no, with the excuse that players would only find a way to harm each other anyway.

So the current selective mode system is the "best" solution in Frontiers eyes.

Yeh, I know but it’s a shame: I’d love to see other CMDRs flying round the place but with my limited time (and skill!!) I don’t wanna risk the ol’ rebuy-a-rooney.

 

[Sylveria]

Yeh, I know but it’s a shame: I’d love to see other CMDRs flying round the place but with my limited time (and skill!!) I don’t wanna risk the ol’ rebuy-a-rooney.

You're right, and nothing stops anyone from creating as many PG's as necessary to facilitate the desired gameplay, either.

There may be a player limit on PG's themselves... but there's no limit to the amount of PG's one may create. It's may be a minor nuisance (a nuisance nonetheless) to have to do so, but eventually Frontier will realize there's an impasse that they're going to need to address if they really want to foster an "all players in the same environment" universe. Introducing new features like Squadrons, Carriers or whatever else to make it more "attractive" are novelties at best, every time they've introduced "multiplayer only" features there's a sharp rise in participation, but then it slowly fades over time as people realize the game still hasn't delivered the environment they had "hoped" for. (for whichever side of the fence, competitive or cooperative)

Right now they're still chasing their own tail, but it won't last forever.

In the meantime, we'll still have the ad hominems, name-calling, demonizing, general rudeness and demands going about which will end up in the Hotel, just as they have for years now.

 

[Marra Morgan]

We've asked for an Open PvE Mode, but the answer was a flat no, with the excuse that players would only find a way to harm each other anyway.

Do you have a link for that statement?

I checked your Wall of Information, thinking it was on-topic for it, but I couldn't see anything about it.

 

[Jockey79]

Do you have a link for that statement?

I checked your Wall of Information, thinking it was on-topic for it, but I couldn't see anything about it.

I'll look it up for you, as some information didn't survive my PC death last year and that link I kept with some other separate information on my desktop.
I know I've posted it before, so it will be on the forums somewhere.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I'll look it up for you, as some information didn't survive my PC death last year and that link I kept with some other separate information on my desktop.
I know I've posted it before, so it will be on the forums somewhere.

Kinda weird how Open PVE would work for ya. But the whole wall is made to counter the Open PVP argument.

[video=youtube;HQoRXhS7vlU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQoRXhS7vlU[/video]

 

[Jockey79]

Kinda weird how Open PVE would work for ya. But the whole wall is made to counter the Open PVP argument.

Shows how much you misunderstand the WoI and my stance.
It was made to counter "Open Only" arguments and content locking, as they were never part of the original design we bought.
Even PP was given to us under the idea anyone in any mode could do it.

I have no issue with PvP, as I do consensual PvP in many games (Star Trek Online, Warframe) including Elite.
I even play some PvP only games (World of Tanks / Warships, Fortnite etc...)

The Woi was born out of forum trolls screaming for the removal of the mode system long before you were around.
So I started collecting information and posting it, over and over and over.
You should look at early versions of it in first SOG thread, you wouldn't recognize it, lol.

@Kari

It was the Engineers Live Stream (which is on the WoI) at 42:43 onwards.

[video=youtube;gEtHu3AXw2Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEtHu3AXw2Q[/video]

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Shows how much you misunderstand the WoI and my stance.
It was made to counter "Open Only" arguments and content locking, as they were never part of the original design we bought.
Even PP was given to us under the idea anyone in any mode could do it.

I have no issue with PvP, as I do consensual PvP in many games (Star Trek Online, Warframe) including Elite.
I even play some PvP only games (World of Tanks / Warships, Fortnite etc...)

The Woi was born out of forum trolls screaming for the removal of the mode system long before you were around.
So I started collecting information and posting it, over and over and over.
You should look at early versions of it in first SOG thread, you wouldn't recognize it, lol.

@Kari

It was the Engineers Live Stream (which is on the WoI) at 42:43 onwards.

Yeah but you gotta understand they arent trolls either jockey. They have good intentions. They recognize the problems in the game. People have been bringing up these issues for a long time. Especially griefing.

The wrong people are dying. People should be dying over objectives. And when people remove themselves intentionally to complete those objectives. That removes the competition.

I understand thats how it came. But at the end of the day we all love the game.

Its not about trolling, or just wanting to shoot hollow squares and give everyone a bad time.

We're closer to agreement about things than you think. I understand thats not how the game was made. But a few restrictions to fix a huge problem would be really healthy for the game, the community and peoples attitudes in and out of the game as well.

I understand not liking the idea. And thats totally okay to disagree from how it was designed. But sometimes those things need to happen.

Wouldnt you rather the right people die? Over the wrong people dying all the time. Trust me its not fun for us either. We fight each other for a challenge instead.

But it would be really nice to fight over objectives and keep people honest. I think thats needed the most right now.

And if that ever happens. Griefing will slowly die by giving PVP a purpose. Its a good thing I promise dude. But we need to use the current frameworks to make it happen. Too much of the game revolves around it.

 

[Marra Morgan]

Shows how much you misunderstand the WoI and my stance.
It was made to counter "Open Only" arguments and content locking, as they were never part of the original design we bought.
Even PP was given to us under the idea anyone in any mode could do it.

I have no issue with PvP, as I do consensual PvP in many games (Star Trek Online, Warframe) including Elite.
I even play some PvP only games (World of Tanks / Warships, Fortnite etc...)

The Woi was born out of forum trolls screaming for the removal of the mode system long before you were around.
So I started collecting information and posting it, over and over and over.
You should look at early versions of it in first SOG thread, you wouldn't recognize it, lol.

@Kari

It was the Engineers Live Stream (which is on the WoI) at 42:43 onwards.

Thank you

I think your WoI could be more objective and genuinely informative if you broadened it as a counter to any change of the developer's design. To me, the few who call for Open-only BGS or Open PvE are one and the same - people who fail to grasp the fundamental design of the game and the developer's reasons for making it so. The WoI could attempt to address all of these misunderstandings. Of course, it's your WoI and you can do with it what you wish - just a friendly suggestion

 

[Jockey79]

Thank you

I think your WoI could be more objective and genuinely informative if you broadened it as a counter to any change of the developer's design. To me, the few who call for Open-only BGS or Open PvE are one and the same - people who fail to grasp the fundamental design of the game and the developer's reasons for making it so. The WoI could attempt to address all of these misunderstandings. Of course, it's your WoI and you can do with it what you wish - just a friendly suggestion

There is a thread for suggestions if you want anything adding to the WoI, my sig link takes you to the thread.
Even if it's not added, at least it is in the same place for all to see

[Edit: or you can PM me links etc, if you want it adding without your name being attached to it]

 

[M_Biscotti]

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Is attacking other players (not npcs) in Open "harassment," if those players are clean, law abiding, and not attacking you?
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Like it's accepted in SC or Ark or Aion for example, "Open", whether you like it or not, is "Open PvP".
You don't like PvP ? Play in PG

 

[Sir.Tj]