That was pretty much what I was going to write.
The PVP thing and older folk not being into it - Quake is 20 years old this year. Mario Kart is 24. (Gods, don't want to feel this old..
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Is Elite Dangerous a Dad's Game Played mainly by "non-gamers"?
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That was pretty much what I was going to write.
The PVP thing and older folk not being into it - Quake is 20 years old this year. Mario Kart is 24. (Gods, don't want to feel this old..
)
Don't forget hosts game servers on, works and does production on, crunches for scientific and humanitarian research on (within the top 99.99% most productive of computer systems worldwide that do), uses as a mobile device mainframe (it is the "cloud"), and yes... games on. (See pic in my post above.)
Are you kidding me?! Of course no one else can touch it!
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I consider myself a pretty competitive gamer, I play mostly action competitive games, FPS multiplayer, arcade fighters multiplayer, retro action games, competitive racing. In my 36 years I've played pretty much every type of game, and the only thing I don't enjoy are casual games or games with microtransactions. I no longer find time for adventure solo games, so I refuse to play games like Skyrim or Fallout or solo games that take hours and hours. I also won't play MMOs due to their grind and time consumption, but I've decided to give ED a shot because I played the original so many years ago and I am a bit obsessed with Sci-fi space stuff.
That being said, so far I like this game but will probably need to give it up due to how slow paced the grind is. If there was a competitive arena mode where all players had the same ship and loadouts and it was just combat on an even playing field where skill was the only factor and not who spent the most hours grinding, I'd probably play it very frequently for short bursts of action.
I'm also a dad.
So what mold do I fit in?
That being said, so far I like this game but will probably need to give it up due to how slow paced the grind is. If there was a competitive arena mode where all players had the same ship and loadouts and it was just combat on an even playing field where skill was the only factor and not who spent the most hours grinding, I'd probably play it very frequently for short bursts of action.
I'm also a dad.
So what mold do I fit in?
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So as far as this being a "dadgamer" game I'm not sure that is really correct. It felt as if you wanted to put ED in the same kind of category as something like Wii Sports. Where its mostly played by people who dont play games. Thats just not true with ED. Elite Dangerous is a flight sim and then a space flight sim on that. That genre has a smaller fan base than say Halo for a few different reasons. Flight sims by default tend to not be forgiving, meaning if you screw up or act a fool on the stick you will crash. Space flight sims are the same way but you have to add in objects that float in your way. Halo and games like that cater to a lot of different people because you can just pick up the game and start shooting something, it has a very low learning curve and honestly does not take a lot of skill to play. ED does, and has a fairly high learning curve. Not only that but for pc gamers you pretty much have to buy a HOTAS setup (yes I know some of you use KB&M and you're weird =) ) so there is the added cost of that with the game. I'm 30 years old and have been playing ED since it started and have a 14 year old little sister who came up for christmas and spent 4 hours blowing wanted NPCs into Slag in RES sites. So its definently not an old persons game by any means, nor is it not a gamers game as I am a gamer, played WOW for 10 years, FPS, RPG, Simulater games, You name it I've played it and I love this game.
In that case pretty much everything I own can be prefixed with "dad"
Dad Gamer --> gaming since writing my own on BBC Master. I don't think that this game is particularly aimed at the older crowd, just so happens that older people (generalisation alert) seem to have better imaginations having grown up in a time when without imagination games were just pixels. When I was twelve and writing GOSUBs and PROCs in BASIC on my BBC (free rep for the first to work out my age btw) I could never have imagined a game like Elite Dangerous (or Far Cry, Just Cause, Fallout, Witcher, Dying Light, Forza, Dead Space, Mad Max, Anno 2070, DMC, etc., etc. - all of which I play and enjoy) but when I think back to it, in my head that's exactly what it was - kudos to Frontier Developments. Nowadays I write in C#, C++, Python and Go but I still love games and I still love Elite. The thing that gets me down is the negativity around this game, I have (so far) shelled out £120 on Elite Dangerous and played for over 1400 hours, if anyone can offer me something for the same price that will hold my attention and give me pleasure for the same amount of time, please do tell. Fly safe commanders.
[sarcasm]£120 would buy you 82.47% of a British TV licence which would would net you 9 months 3 weeks and 6 days of TV viewing
i.e. almost 6500+ hours of televisual pleasure.
...or £10 would get you some emulsion from B&Q - not only can you watch it dry, but you can stare at it for as long as you like afterwards.[/sarcasm]
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That'd be CQC then!
Built specifically for quick dogfighting action on a pseudo-even playing field, in between doing other stuff that I won't call grinding because, whilst can be tedious at times, there's plenty of other things you can do for 20-60 minutes in between!
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Hah... avid gamer turned husband turned soon-to-be dad here...
I've logged thousands and thousands of hours in various games, from sims to FPS to RTS games. Hours played per week, I'm falling into the "casual" gamer category now. But I'm still wanting a sim like game full of complexity!
This is the impression I get and I think it's a big problem for ED. Or at least, deciding what it is, gamer's game or dad game will be key to deciding it's success. Indeed, the devs may come under pressure from gamers to make it more gamery, or rather "less of a game, more 'real', action packed etc", which may put the "dadfolk" off it! I'm not sure there's that much crossover between the two communities (though I'd say I am one) and trying to please both can be tricky.
Who are the dadfolk? No set type but "non-gamer", in term of the breadth of their experience even if they spend all God's hours playing their games. The dadgamer player base also has a higher than average "settled down, middle aged" contingent who game whilst "the wife" does what ever it is women get up to. Many of the things that attract the dadfolk: the routine, the regular flow of events, non-too challenging combat etc, are what will put off the gamers and vice versa. And if any of my friends are reading this, yes! I mean you! Like many players of other dadgames like World of Tanks and Warships (also dadgames) many players play those games only and nothing else, which seems to be the case with ED... Indeed, for many, one of the last games they played seriously before ED was the original Elite of yesteryear. They make forum posts with titles like "What do your wives think about you playing Elite?".
Come to think of it, ED was one of the few other games I have heard WoWS and WoT players talk about playing.
One of the reasons for the enthusiastic support such games get from some of their devotees seems to be the inexperience of their players.
They think the game is the best thing since sliced bread, but don't have that much to compare it against. Not that this makes them bad games and or the players bad people. I have played my dadgames for many hours but in the very small sample of players I know, it seems to be the way things are.
That's not to say that dadgames are a small or invalid market, World of Tanks turns over more than $300 mil anually I believe, for example and there are plenty of other examples.
I should also say that I am not young myself. Old enough to be a dad, granddad and technically a great grand dad for a few years now, but I'd still class myself as a gamer, though I am in a sense caught between the two camps. I enjoy dadgames but also like the occasional gamergame, and recently played: Witcher 3, Dark Souls, Cities Skylines, Fallout 4. There's nothing wrong with dadgames, I play them quite a lot. I only have 1 t10 tank in WoT, the IS7, but I have it!
I'd be interested to know what other games people play or have played, if any and no judgement if not, and in conjunction with this, what you think of ED. Or rather, how much you like it. No judgements, more research material!
Almost 2am here, and I was quite tired at the start of the evening, hope that makes sense!
Im going to +REP you because you are dead on, i've noticed and pointed this out before. Some people on this forum come across as fanboys, but i came to realise they are not, its ignorance and lack of experience in the gaming industry...
There are people who will flatly deny the low texture quality on planets, or poor optimisation, or the obvious fidelity loss since alpha, or the miles-wide-inch-deep growth of the game, and for a while i couldn't figure out why and then i realised....they don't know any better.
This post will probably offend many but hear me out:
If i showed my sister, and my father, a game from 2001 and said "What do you think of the graphical quality of this" they would be impressed, they would say it looks brilliant high quality etc etc whereas a gamer, would know better.
The reason so many posts on here are praising the current state and saying "This game is perfect thank you devs its amazing you couldn't have done any better!" (i may be paraphrasing but I've seen many posts saying exactly that).
It easy to see why; imagine yourself, as a non gamer, and this is what you pop your cherry with, its going to blow your mind isn't it? Gamers know better, a real gamer can see this game for the many flaws it has (its a fantastic game, and i love it) but mature GAMERS, know how to be constructive, praise given where its deserved and feedback given where needed.
Mature gamers minds are not blown landing on planets at the moment, the first thing a gamer notices is the low texture quality and the poor performance, that their isn't actually that much to do at the moment; and yet at the same time can say "wow the fact that you can land on billions of planets now all unique in their own way is phenomenal".
You are correct however, many gamers play this, but it also has the highest population of players that are NOT gamers, of any game on the market. And it DOES show.
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So you really expect someone who has spent months of in-game time in Dwarf Fortress to not be a gamer then?
liquid cooling is ridiculously more efficient than air cooling, which also makes it far more predictable and manageable.. which is pretty much key to overclocking. moving from air to liquid cooling, is pretty much the equivalent of moving from on board graphics to a separate gpu.
as for the tone in your post.. do i smell a hint of something sour? engineering.. something everyone takes for granted in the world around them.. isn't just a profession, for many its a passion. building something for yourself is always very gratifying, and if you have the vision and the skills to make it into a working, unique piece of art, that's what you do?
he isnt building it to show off, he's building it because he wants too, because he enjoys it, and he isnt bragging, he's sharing!!
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Liquid cooling can be a bit better. I use it as well. But just for clarity, what we're comparing here is moving liquid through a heatsink and an air cooled radiator vs. moving heat through a solid heatsink radiator which is also air cooled.
As far as thermodynamics is concerned, they are both working fluids
Heh, OK.
Point I was trying to make is that we're dealing with a moving liquid vs. a non-moving solid (relatively speaking). Both are air cooled.With a radiator you can do a bit better job of getting the heat out of a case as well, or pulling in cooler air across it, so that's an advantage.
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Heh, OK.
With a radiator you can do a bit better job of getting the heat out of a case as well, or pulling in cooler air across it, so that an advantage.
its the same thing.. in the car the heatsink is the block, in the pc its a plate..
from engine > heatsink > liquid > radiator > air
from component > heatsink > liquid > radiator > air
actually simplified its just..
heat source > heat sink > liquid > heat sink > cooling source
lmao.. you said case and i read it as car.. sorry
either way you are moving the heat away from the source so much quicker via the liquid, than you can with simple air flow.. once the heated liquid reaches the cooling unit, the surface area over which the heat is then able to be dissipated (through directed airflow) is many many times greater than that of the original source.
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i still trying to build a proper dadrig.. i will get there later on this year or next year.
last year i built a small rig around a gtx 680 i won in a comp.. it does me nicely for what i do.
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Liquids can be a lot better at conducting heat than air. We're not exactly cooling with liquids either way though (as it were); not entirely. We're cooling with air.
The difference between a typical air cooler and a liquid cooler is the difference between heat conductivity efficiency between a solid and moving liquid (which moves cooler liquid in and takes hotter liquid away), as well as being able to use a radiator so that it is more efficiently air cooled than an internal air cooler.
Now, just submerge your radiator in cool fast running water.
lmao.. you said case and i read it as car.. sorry
Oh, OK. Makes sense then.
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The only thing badder than a Daddy Gaming PC - a Daddy cooling Rig
Wether it's multiple heatsink/fans, heatpipes and peltiers, oil immersion, phase change compressors, dry ice, liquid nitrogen, whatever - it's pretty much guaranteed that those without Daddy PC's won't have had the sheer fun of tinkering with such things, or indeed, know what any of that is.
Upset Mother : "Dearest offspring, why is my Netflix not working?"
Aspiring Daddy PC owner : "Coz I'ma put XBAWX in da FRIDGE for MOAR POWAH!"
Wether it's multiple heatsink/fans, heatpipes and peltiers, oil immersion, phase change compressors, dry ice, liquid nitrogen, whatever - it's pretty much guaranteed that those without Daddy PC's won't have had the sheer fun of tinkering with such things, or indeed, know what any of that is.
Upset Mother : "Dearest offspring, why is my Netflix not working?"
Aspiring Daddy PC owner : "Coz I'ma put XBAWX in da FRIDGE for MOAR POWAH!"
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Liquids can be a lot better at conducting heat than air. We're not exactly cooling with liquids either way though (as it were); not entirely. We're cooling with air.
The difference between a typical air cooler and a liquid cooler is the difference between heat conductivity efficiency between a solid and moving liquid (which moves cooler liquid in and takes hotter liquid away), as well as being able to use a radiator so that it is more efficiently air cooled than an internal air cooler.
Now, just submerge your radiator in cool fast running water.
dude seriously, i was simply making the point that.. liquid cooling IS far more efficient than air cooling, there really is no room for discussion on that. if you are using water cooling, it is the liquid that is removing the heat from the component, and then the liquid that is exchanging that heat with the air. what you are basically saying is, it isn't the radiator in the lounge that warms the room, it is the boiler in the basement.
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