General / Off-Topic Is it wrong to just drop everything and pursue a life of blissful isolation?

[Patrick_68000]

I don't think anyone needs to be afraid of the unfortunate. To help a person live a lifeworthy life doesn't need a lot of money.

If you compare the costs of welfare and how much a broken bank can cost a country... the broken bank wins hands down - and in most countries the banks debts will be payd with tax money too.

So if you are afraid of your pocket money, be afraid of a crashing bank, not the costs of welfare.

Yes, and we are not talking about wage inequalities, indecent wages that some perceive, tax evasion, stock market speculation etc ...

It is totally wrong to say that a person who lives on social assistance (unemployed, sick, disabled, retired, migrant etc ...) requires others to work for him.

If all the abuses mentioned at the beginning of my post were eradicated and the wealth shared equitably, the money will flow abundantly to take care of social assistance.

But some have as totem the ultra liberal capitalist system, the law of the jungle and gives themselves a good conscience by being convinced that they work for those who do not work.

It seems that the subprime crisis of 2008 has not yet served lessons to some.

They still do not understand that of thousands of billions of dollars are stolen by parasites, and they come to moan because they are convinced that they work for those who do not work.

They should understand that they are working to compensate for the huge societal imbalances created by all those thieves who get rich at the expense of the majority of honest people.

 

[jasonbarron]

Yes, and we are not talking about wage inequalities, indecent wages that some perceive, tax evasion, stock market speculation etc ...

It is totally wrong to say that a person who lives on social assistance (unemployed, sick, disabled, retired, migrant etc ...) requires others to work for him.

If all the abuses mentioned at the beginning of my post were eradicated and the wealth shared equitably, the money will flow abundantly to take care of social assistance.

But some have as totem the ultra liberal capitalist system, the law of the jungle and gives themselves a good conscience by being convinced that they work for those who do not work.

It seems that the subprime crisis of 2008 has not yet served lessons to some.

They still do not understand that of thousands of billions of dollars are stolen by parasites, and they come to moan because they are convinced that they work for those who do not work.

They should understand that they are working to compensate for the huge societal imbalances created by all those thieves who get rich at the expense of the majority of honest people.

It's a typical progressive stereotype to imagine that money grows on trees, as opposed to someone having to make it by providing some form of labor or service. It doesn't matter how much money a bank has, or if they squander vast sums of wealth, each individual dollar was earned by some man or woman WORKING to earn it in the first place.

 

[Arkadi]

Interesting how we came from Unicorns text about life-choices to a political debate.

However, one other thought for Unicorn: don't be afraid to be an outsider. Most follow the herd, but only few have the guts to go their own way.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

It's a typical progressive stereotype to imagine that money grows on trees, as opposed to someone having to make it by providing some form of labor or service. It doesn't matter how much money a bank has, or if they squander vast sums of wealth, each individual dollar was earned by some man or woman WORKING to earn it in the first place.

Actually, money for the most part is indeed created but this does not mean the overall wealth increases.

 

[jasonbarron]

Interesting how we came from Unicorns text about life-choices to a political debate.

However, one other thought for Unicorn: don't be afraid to be an outsider. Most follow the herd, but only few have the guts to go their own way.

The debate here is based squarely on money, nothing political so far.

 

[Arkadi]

It's a typical progressive stereotype to imagine that money grows on trees, as opposed to someone having to make it by providing some form of labor or service. It doesn't matter how much money a bank has, or if they squander vast sums of wealth, each individual dollar was earned by some man or woman WORKING to earn it in the first place.

Not sure if I can respect stock specualtions and the exploitation of weak markets as ... work.

 

[jasonbarron]

Not sure if I can respect stock specualtions and the exploitation of weak markets as ... work.

It's not uncommon for people to disrespect fields they're aren't part of or familiar with, but work it is. It's not what I was getting at, though.

 

[Arkadi]

It's not uncommon for people to disrespect fields they're aren't part of or familiar with, but work it is. It's not what I was getting at, though.

I'd like to call it legal piracy

 

[Stigbob]

It's a typical progressive stereotype to imagine that money grows on trees, as opposed to someone having to make it by providing some form of labor or service. It doesn't matter how much money a bank has, or if they squander vast sums of wealth, each individual dollar was earned by some man or woman WORKING to earn it in the first place.

Has it occurred to you that without all the myriad protections and advantages society has given you from birth you wouldn't have the capability to work or the security to enjoy the fruits of your labours ?.

 

[jasonbarron]

Has it occurred to you that without all the myriad protections and advantages society has given you from birth you wouldn't have the capability to work or the security to enjoy the fruits of your labours ?.

Well, I personally don't know of anyone who came from a poorer, more disadvantaged background than I, but setting that aside I'm happily an American with all the benefits that come from a society based on capitalism and free market principles, as well as Democracy and Judaeo Christian values and I've never argued otherwise, so I'm not sure what your point is. America is best in this regard, but everyone born into Western Society enjoys similar privilege to which we should all be grateful to the people who sacrificed and worked so hard to get us there.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Well, I personally don't of anyone who came from a poorer, more disadvantaged background than I, but setting that aside I'm happily an American with all the benefits that come from a society based on capitalism and free market principles, as well as Democracy and Judaeo Christian values and I've never argued otherwise, so I'm not sure what your point is. America is best in this regard, but everyone born into Western Society enjoys similar privilege to which we should all be grateful to the people who sacrificed and worked so hard to get us there.

Democracy is a greek value and the US is officially secular.

 

[jasonbarron]

Democracy is a greek value and the US is officially secular.

It's like you guys want to take this off topic lolol. Correct on Greek values, incorrect on the second bit. Now try to steer back up and onto the road, okay?

 

[Shinji Ikari]

It's like you guys want to take this off topic lolol. Correct on Greek values, incorrect on the second bit. Now try to steer back up and onto the road, okay?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state

The US is there...

 

[Stigbob]

Well, I personally don't know of anyone who came from a poorer, more disadvantaged background than I, but setting that aside I'm happily an American with all the benefits that come from a society based on capitalism and free market principles, as well as Democracy and Judaeo Christian values and I've never argued otherwise, so I'm not sure what your point is. America is best in this regard, but everyone born into Western Society enjoys similar privilege to which we should all be grateful to the people who sacrificed and worked so hard to get us there.

As an American you come from a minority of extremely privileged and extremely safe people (as do I). Because of the protections your society offers you entirely as an accident of your birth.

You require support from that society in your youth, illness or dotage, plus you require all of its infrastructure to facilitate everything you'll ever do throughout your life.

Society only functions if people who can't contribute for whatever reason are offered protections otherwise there's no reason to contribute at all.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Interesting how we came from Unicorns text about life-choices to a political debate.

However, one other thought for Unicorn: don't be afraid to be an outsider. Most follow the herd, but only few have the guts to go their own way.

I see what you are saying.

My problem is that I have a crippling fear of the outside world based on real experience. I have the damaged teeth to prove the literal punches I've taken.

I am currently going through therapy and the first thing I said when I started was that one day I'd like to have a simple supermarket job.

The challenge is working past my autism, depression and PTSD. Especially the PTSD as that is what makes me not trust people in any face-2-face situation.

 

[Arkadi]

I see what you are saying.

My problem is that I have a crippling fear of the outside world based on real experience. I have the damaged teeth to prove the literal punches I've taken.

I am currently going through therapy and the first thing I said when I started was that one day I'd like to have a simple supermarket job.

The challenge is working past my autism, depression and PTSD. Especially the PTSD as that is what makes me not trust people in any face-2-face situation.

That's tough.
I don't really know what to say now. Maybe something from my experience. I have learnt the profession of book-seller. I don't know if this is a profession on it's own where you live. But books can be good friends. And working in a bookstore isn't the worst of choices. At least you'll have mostly educated customers and not all kind of riff-raff like in the supermarket.

 

[m0rl0ck]

But I just want to give those up, because really, the only dream I have is to push supermarket trolleys and pay my mum rent. Then cut myself off from the world for another night.

If thats what you want, thats what you should do, and you should do it till you want to do something else (or not).
Sounds like honest work and there is no shame in honest work.

 

[Rubbernuke]

My mum suffers from inner ear disturbances and labyrinthitis- I still remember when it started and she went from being proactive and independent to being housebound and insular. As shes got older she also developed Parkinsons and has learning difficulties. I was afraid that after my dad died and her mental breakdown she'd curl up and die because she could not cope. I helped her through it by getting her to take things one step at a time- walking in the garden, then the next day walk to the post box, and then the shop, and then go in the shop and so on. She will never be truly independent but she has a fair approximation of it, and it makes her happy.

Maybe with you OP you should approach it in a similar way- build up a resistance to where you want to work. Go to supermarkets and mingle, and get used to it as much as possible and then ask about vacancies. You could try to get night work, where you stack shelves and see very few people. But, in the end you have to want it and do it. Its very easy to find excuses not to do something, at some point you will have to push yourself- I don't mean that in a nasty way, but its about choosing to help yourself.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

In the last few months I've been trying all sorts of new things.

These various activities make everyone around me happy because they see me doing something "normal".

But it does not make me happy. In fact my happiness levels are lowering. Actively getting out and about makes me feel worse.

The thing is I'm happy to not socialise and interact with people "irl". But it seems everyone around me expects me to do just that.

Here's my dream life: a job pushing trolleys at ASDA, and going home each day to my room to spend a few hours on my computer. I know it sounds like a crap dead end plan. But it's simple. Really simple. And I just wish people would accept that my life goals are pretty low. I don't want a relationship. I don't want a family. And I don't want the stress of a "successful" career.

I just want to live at home, pay my mum rent, and play a few video games. I frequently beg for advice on how to get into work. A simple supermarket job is all I really want. But nobody helps me. I want to help myself but I have no idea how.

I feel everyone expects me to do "more" because I happened to have a retentative memory at school. Truth is I fluked my way through school. Was a complete waste of time really.

There's a lot of things I'm doing right now because I feel like I'm expected to chase dreams.

But I just want to give those up, because really, the only dream I have is to push supermarket trolleys and pay my mum rent. Then cut myself off from the world for another night.

The way I see it, if your mum is ok with that situation, and you are happy with that situation, and if a job pushing trolleys at asda pays enough to pay your way and for you to do what you want to do in life then go for it.

Life is to short to be miserable and frankly screw what other people expect from you. I have been fortunate in life so far, as well as busted my balls for some of it, had some help from family and have been squirreling away as much as I can.... I damn well absolutely am gonna retire at 60. I wont be loaded doing it, but i think i will have "enough" to get what i want out of life, which is all that concerns me.

I have a friends husband who earns 80kish..... but spends 3 hrs on a train every day going into london, loses holiday because too busy and is missing their kids growing up. sod that!.

 

[Patrick_68000]

It's a typical progressive stereotype to imagine that money grows on trees, as opposed to someone having to make it by providing some form of labor or service. It doesn't matter how much money a bank has, or if they squander vast sums of wealth, each individual dollar was earned by some man or woman WORKING to earn it in the first place.

Completely false.

The stock market speculation, money laundering, tax evasion, financing of political parties , looting the resources of the underdeveloped countries and we are not even talking about the very long-term colossal debts of countries like the USA (or the European countries for example), who prints the banknotes for which it does not have the real counterpart.

Thousands of billion dollar virtual that these countries will not even be sure to repay on their 30-40 year maturities.

Regarding the labor market, I will not even mention all the guys who have a job and who do the minimum in their jobs and quietly wait for their wages at the end of the month.

No, Jason, your dollars is nothing and especially not the reality. It's a piece of paper without a real counterpart.

When you have presses, it is very easy to print game tickets Monopoly.