Its right up there with , REMF and PONTI.
General / Off-Topic Is man made climate change real or not? Prove your belief here.
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Its right up there with , REMF and PONTI.
the funny thing is nuclear energy is more co2 efficient per energy earned than solar panels or wind turbines.
No slip. Indirectly they are, but more from an inefficiency of waste management perspective and that's not the point I was making. Funding climate change denial encourages business as usual to maintain current production quantities ie, demand stays high. Did you browse this link in the post you quoted?
I'd add that scarcity can also be imposed by prohibition, in religious decree or state and federal laws if you have the means to make profits out of sinners in the black market that will inevitably appear. Prior to that extreme you're in the realm of consumption taxes, carbon budgets and restrictions on activity.
As I said: The most efficient way to guarantee you win in competitive sports, is to own both teams.
Um, you might be responding to @True Phoenix there, and may have missed their response: #576
First mention of denial might have been Bill Nye the fertiliser guy. Given the non-slip you may still have arrived in the right ballpark. There is a massive amount of conflicting information, data that may have been tampered with and opinions based on that data being pushed in print, schools, via web and TV.
While I'd like to know the truth about a lot more than just climate change, I don't. Yet, I keep looking for more information (as long as it's not coming from nauseating hippies glued to electric trains). Despite the wisdom of a balanced diet I tend to limit my exposure to repetitive mainstream click bait hysteria.
Fighting each other we'll resolve nothing, and may fail to notice the Hegelion final solution rolling out.
[A computer model is only as good as the source data. If it can't predict the observations, start over.]
As mentioned earlier in this thread, from Sun rise in the West to setting in the East would take about four months on Venus, and Carl really should have known that. The average punter may have never considered that a day on Venus is any different than Earth (One Sol on Mars lasts 37 minutes longer).
Until better evidence, like a mission to the terminator I'd be more inclined towards the Solar influence.
Enjoy this little nugget from the Texas Republican Party's vision on education (p12):
http://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Platform_Final.pdf
A political party that openly states their desire for the people not to have critical thinking skills because it 'undermines authority', I am sure that is perfectly fine.
All public schooling, regardless of state, can be characterized as teaching children to conform in a group setting, as well as obey the government. That's one of the reasons my children are home schooledEnjoy this little nugget from the Texas Republican Party's vision on education (p12):
http://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Platform_Final.pdf
A political party that openly states their desire for the people not to have critical thinking skills because it 'undermines authority', I am sure that is perfectly fine.
Yes you were right. It was True Phoenix I was meaning to target my question at. It is possible that he is less interested in just the fun of the argument as you are <embarrassed grin>. Thanks for introducing me to Hegel. I'd never heard of him before. I do believe that the reason why a lot of us are not responding to this climate change crisis in the same manner as Greta Thunberg is because were are expecting common sense to prevail when the extraordinary climate disasters become more commonplace. We did all eventually come together to repair the hole in the ozone layer after all
As for computer modelling. I'm sure everyone here has an understanding of chaos theory, and the importance of initial conditions when modelling chaotic behaviour. But the scientist do seem to have a handle on it...
If you want to read a rather provocative and gloomy answer to this question check out https://www.amazon.com/Requiem-Species-Clive-Hamilton/dp/1138928089
Home schooling sounds extraordinarily dull. Although I imagine lunch is better and the walk from upstairs is nice in all kinds of weather.All public schooling, regardless of state, can be characterized as teaching children to conform in a group setting, as well as obey the government. That's one of the reasons my children are home schooled
That does look like a very good book. It explores the question I'd like to know the answer to.. why are there people to passionately opposed to the prediction these climatologists are making
But I'm not $14.00 worth of curious. If there was a Kindle version I might have snapped it up. I'll be quite content to believe that the Kock Brothers' misinformation campaign was enough to turn the minds of a weak-willed mob to such an extent they were willing to issue death threats
Until the end, until the ultimate exhaustion of resources, they will do everything to make money.And then there's that:
hope that link works, this magazine is a bit picky with their content...
Brain washing in the public school system starts early, if you want your children to build a natural defense against the mainstream it’s a good place to start. It takes a strong minded person to go agains the pressure from friends and teachers, doesn’t matter if it’s drugs, alcohol or opinions.All public schooling, regardless of state, can be characterized as teaching children to conform in a group setting, as well as obey the government. That's one of the reasons my children are home schooled
I started early with my kids, books is just a small part of a good basic education, we also spend time with hunting, and surviving with what you could carry in a backpack, my kids loved these small 3 day hicks in the woods. (Sometimes they hated it, but now they are grateful they learned)
There is enough yes men, we need more no men.
Dull as opposed to what exactly? Kids aren't really intended to go to school in order to be entertained, are they?Home schooling sounds extraordinarily dull. Although I imagine lunch is better and the walk from upstairs is nice in all kinds of weather.
Yep, much the same at the Barron camp. We bring in tutors where necessary, but the foundation is put in place by us, as well as morals and ethics and the all important "bull manure detector." Last but not least is what the kids are not exposed to.
Like everything else, outstanding ignorance must be cultivated.
I'm old enough to remember when they tried to sell, "The new Ice Age."
Then it became, "Global Warming.'
Now it's, "Climate Change."
Before you know it we'll be back to, "Bad Weather."
All I know is we're about 20 degrees below normal for this time of year where I live and we've already had a foot of snowfall and many of the trees still haven'y dropped all their leaves which will cause mold if we can't get the leaves cleaned up before Spring.
That's Global Warming for ya - no I mean Climate Change, or maybe we're in a new Ice Age...
Or maybe it's just bad weather
Either whichever way, where do I pay my Carbon Tax?
Then it became, "Global Warming.'
Now it's, "Climate Change."
Before you know it we'll be back to, "Bad Weather."
All I know is we're about 20 degrees below normal for this time of year where I live and we've already had a foot of snowfall and many of the trees still haven'y dropped all their leaves which will cause mold if we can't get the leaves cleaned up before Spring.
That's Global Warming for ya - no I mean Climate Change, or maybe we're in a new Ice Age...
Or maybe it's just bad weather
Either whichever way, where do I pay my Carbon Tax?
I'm old enough to remember when I first heard someone say "Good news! There's not going to be another mini ice age. We've figured out why Venus is so hot, and the Greenhouse Effect will most likely happen here on Earth as well". You see that's what the Scientific Method is all about... Observe, predict, check your predictions by observation. The whole idea of Science is to use the most up-to-date and widely checked theories. Think of it like a auto-correcting rudder that steers towards the truth
The truth is what it is. You can't change facts just because you don't like them. The world is generally heating up. If you know anything about thermodynamics you will know that heat is an energy and adding energy to a fluid system will cause it to act more energetically. Windspeeds in storms tend to stay at a similar level and so the added energy shows itself up as an increased likelihood of those storms
When I first heard of Global Warming I did think it would be nice for Scotland to have a few more degrees of heat, but then I heard that the local effect here wasn't so nice. We have the Gulf Stream here which keeps Scotland's weather moderate, and there's a chance that Global Warming will interfere with that because of all the fresh water from the melting icecaps
I see the reason you want people to stop talking about Global Warming is because you want cheaper electricity bills. This carbon tax you speak of is a tax by your own government. Governments like taking money from people and they want to take as much of it in as acceptable a way as possible. It kind of reminds me of tobacco tax. Cigarettes are just paper rolls of dried leaves. They are incredibly cheap to make but they cost a fortune. This is because governments know they can get away with these high taxes because it's "good for us". I take it that you believe the tobacco companies when they say that cigarettes are perfectly harmless and they most definitely don't cause cancer? After all, you seem to believe the oil companies when they tell you that their industries don't cause global warming
So how do you feel about the high taxes for cigarettes?
I don't actually care about any of it.
I'm financially independent and spend what little time I have left selecting the music and floral arrangements for my final exit. My assets are sufficiently stowed where the gov't isn't able to find them or is even aware of them.
I find the entire topic merely amusing.
It's nothing more than a new religion, and not much of one at that.
The issue here is Epistemological.
There is an isolated subset of the US population that is cut off from reality. I can't hold a rational discussion with them, because they are not rational.
They have chosen this path themselves. They are proud of it.
It took me a long time to understand that.
Now, I just nod, and back away slowly, just like with the rabidly religious. And punch the ignore button.
The same exact folks who were making excuses for the tobacco companies are doing it for the Oil/Coal industries.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...stries-used-same-researchers-to-sway-public1/
https://ustaxpayerswill.wordpress.c...co-checks-on-floor-of-house/#jp-carousel-3409
Their market is the exact same geniuses, who couldn't work it out the first time.
It's easy to spot them, by the headgear.
There is an isolated subset of the US population that is cut off from reality. I can't hold a rational discussion with them, because they are not rational.
They have chosen this path themselves. They are proud of it.
It took me a long time to understand that.
Now, I just nod, and back away slowly, just like with the rabidly religious. And punch the ignore button.
The same exact folks who were making excuses for the tobacco companies are doing it for the Oil/Coal industries.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...stries-used-same-researchers-to-sway-public1/
https://ustaxpayerswill.wordpress.c...co-checks-on-floor-of-house/#jp-carousel-3409
Their market is the exact same geniuses, who couldn't work it out the first time.
It's easy to spot them, by the headgear.
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So it's a case of "It wont effect me I'll be dead and gone therefore don't care".
And people wonder why the younguns are so quick to point the finger and call people out.
Jesus.
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