It all depends...
Actually, if the model is not extracted from the OVL file and instead is modeled through a separate modeler it most likely would be considered by at least USA courts as being a new creation by a modeler as wild as that may sound. Now if you took a certain tool and extracted the Frontier model or textures, then the developer would have great cause to snuff people legally, so it is one of the flukes of whether you are stealing an existing model or not. Taking a snapshot of another's item might or might not fall into that later category. Modeling your own work though, remains perfectly legal with exceptions being that an existing model of an item is exclusively owned therough a Trademark Logo. McDonald's golden arches would be a great example, Disney's trademark of sleeping beauty's castle along with it's name might be another example. However, in the last case, the Castle is actually modeled on a famous German castle and that isn't necessarily trademarked so you could in theory make a black outline of that German castle, have the exact same castle as sleeping beauty, you could even call it Ditzyland and that would not necessarily infringe Disneyland's logo...always ways to make things work
Actually, if the model is not extracted from the OVL file and instead is modeled through a separate modeler it most likely would be considered by at least USA courts as being a new creation by a modeler as wild as that may sound. Now if you took a certain tool and extracted the Frontier model or textures, then the developer would have great cause to snuff people legally, so it is one of the flukes of whether you are stealing an existing model or not. Taking a snapshot of another's item might or might not fall into that later category. Modeling your own work though, remains perfectly legal with exceptions being that an existing model of an item is exclusively owned therough a Trademark Logo. McDonald's golden arches would be a great example, Disney's trademark of sleeping beauty's castle along with it's name might be another example. However, in the last case, the Castle is actually modeled on a famous German castle and that isn't necessarily trademarked so you could in theory make a black outline of that German castle, have the exact same castle as sleeping beauty, you could even call it Ditzyland and that would not necessarily infringe Disneyland's logo...always ways to make things work
Michael Brookes
Game Director
I'm not a lawyer, but it does appear to contravene the EULA, and I notice the thread has since been closed on the Atari forums.
Michael
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I don't see why you don't get with Chris, and Atari and release the game code to the community. We are whats keeping your game afloat and from sinking like the titanic. The game has little improvement from rct2 or rct1, all you did was make it 3D, and put a camera on the rides... But the restricting grid is still there, the roughness of the coasters lack of pieces, the list goes on...
the COMMUNITY makes this game worth playing again, not YOU. In my humble opinion, i think you runined the game.
the COMMUNITY makes this game worth playing again, not YOU. In my humble opinion, i think you runined the game.
Actually, many of your friends are making a new community game. Wow, can hardly believe that new game is almost at 120 rides, just amazing, the power of the community.
Reality is that the publisher needs to feed their fat paychecks for their board or dare I say Bored members. They don't care a squat about their customers, which I was for a long time. Nope, the only way to fix this puppy is for the community to make its own grand game and let the software publisher in question stay with their dying old logo and game.
We own the future, the customers, and in the end, the customers will have the final say on what happens, not some crummy corporation that abandoned its customers.
Reality is that the publisher needs to feed their fat paychecks for their board or dare I say Bored members. They don't care a squat about their customers, which I was for a long time. Nope, the only way to fix this puppy is for the community to make its own grand game and let the software publisher in question stay with their dying old logo and game.
We own the future, the customers, and in the end, the customers will have the final say on what happens, not some crummy corporation that abandoned its customers.
We own the future, the customers, and in the end, the customers will have the final say on what happens, not some crummy corporation that abandoned its customers.[/QUOTE]
i agree with Sebar, they abandoned us as a community, left the rct series for dead and their own greed...its a sad shame due to the fact it WAS the only "theme park" based game out there that rocked at one point, then the greed took over and the suits ruined it for the entire world...they killed rollercoaster tycoon, they left out too much that should've been improved upon from rct2 to rct3, yes the 3-d is beautiful, yes the first person on rides is nice, but its full of bugs and took me well over a year to figure out how to get rid of the games lag...that being said , for all those that want a rct4...good luck...its been 5 years since rct3, and TPBD is a reality...
as they say Sebar patience is worthwhile and i am waiting for ANYTHING...since coming to this board is as about as worthless anymore as a pontiac, or bankrupt chrysler...they feed us what we want to hear but what we dont hear is what they are gonna do with one of the MOST successful games in PC history...and that is to give the community what they want RCT4...and put what the community has been asking for ...for years...more flat rides...new and traditional...more coaster angles ( wooden figure eight coasters) would be nice, however with what is in rct3...its impossible...PLEASE make a RCT4..or for petes sake close this forum...all it is ...is a place for frontier to feed their ego, off our wants
i agree with Sebar, they abandoned us as a community, left the rct series for dead and their own greed...its a sad shame due to the fact it WAS the only "theme park" based game out there that rocked at one point, then the greed took over and the suits ruined it for the entire world...they killed rollercoaster tycoon, they left out too much that should've been improved upon from rct2 to rct3, yes the 3-d is beautiful, yes the first person on rides is nice, but its full of bugs and took me well over a year to figure out how to get rid of the games lag...that being said , for all those that want a rct4...good luck...its been 5 years since rct3, and TPBD is a reality...
as they say Sebar patience is worthwhile and i am waiting for ANYTHING...since coming to this board is as about as worthless anymore as a pontiac, or bankrupt chrysler...they feed us what we want to hear but what we dont hear is what they are gonna do with one of the MOST successful games in PC history...and that is to give the community what they want RCT4...and put what the community has been asking for ...for years...more flat rides...new and traditional...more coaster angles ( wooden figure eight coasters) would be nice, however with what is in rct3...its impossible...PLEASE make a RCT4..or for petes sake close this forum...all it is ...is a place for frontier to feed their ego, off our wants
Michael Brookes
Game Director
I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion, this forum exists for people who want to discuss or ask questions about RCT3. I assure you it has nothing to do with egos
Michael
It is illegal to extract Atari's or Frontier's models period. If you modeled something on your own, then that model is yours. If it is as good or better than the RCT3 models so be it. But you cannot legally extract their work and how the mods allowed that discussion without pointing people to Reverse engineering or modifying the publishers property just ain't common sense to me or many others.
Hi, im the creator of the thread in question.
The reason for making the thread was to show it could be done. I didnt release the method and nor will i.
However the method has been used to take models of tracks into a modeller so that the custom content community can made custom cars the right size.
I believe that it may break the EULA but cant it be classed as fair use or can it fall under the digital milleniums act? Yes im distributing the models but they arent in the original format and arent ripped from the files. They are taken from directXThe models are fully credited to frontier too. Alongside this the tracks arent being used to model they are simply used for guides for custom cars. Also TPB3D Has been around for so long and we have yet to see anything materialise from it.Any the people who are commenting saying frontier ruined the game its not them. Its ATARI Who refuse to answer any problems we have with the game and have the cheek to change forums with a days notice and not take the old threads across. ATARI Were the ones who got chris sawyer angry because they underpaid him in royalties and he now wants nothing to do with the brand.
The reason for making the thread was to show it could be done. I didnt release the method and nor will i.
However the method has been used to take models of tracks into a modeller so that the custom content community can made custom cars the right size.
I believe that it may break the EULA but cant it be classed as fair use or can it fall under the digital milleniums act? Yes im distributing the models but they arent in the original format and arent ripped from the files. They are taken from directXThe models are fully credited to frontier too. Alongside this the tracks arent being used to model they are simply used for guides for custom cars. Also TPB3D Has been around for so long and we have yet to see anything materialise from it.Any the people who are commenting saying frontier ruined the game its not them. Its ATARI Who refuse to answer any problems we have with the game and have the cheek to change forums with a days notice and not take the old threads across. ATARI Were the ones who got chris sawyer angry because they underpaid him in royalties and he now wants nothing to do with the brand.
open gl capture, hm?
i was trying to test that to, i didn't get to far cause i haven't the time for it.
and i was "fearing" to reverse engineer FE2 objects by scripting?
and i still do somehow, i think to respect any artists property of his creation is a must if you call yourself a artist, else i'm not shure what you should be named then.
and i don't talk about copyright holders, that's not the same. imo they sometimes do not respect the property of an artists work.
businessmen they usually don't care! and might even call themselfes artists, well some sort of i guess.
i guess to many people, especially in this branch, has taken rights on work they never did, from the very beginning on, it's to easy and you don't leave a fingerprint on a sofware usually (they did i know, but not legally, just for fun you can say*). ok, today's tech. allows such things, but i don't have to tell you who will use this mostly, or do i have to?
though what is legal after all then?
one thing for shure, to dig the potatoes out of the clay and sell thenm on the market.
* press certain key combinations in a uncommon way that will cripple your fingers and you get the developers name on the screen, e.g.
i was trying to test that to, i didn't get to far cause i haven't the time for it.
and i was "fearing" to reverse engineer FE2 objects by scripting?
and i still do somehow, i think to respect any artists property of his creation is a must if you call yourself a artist, else i'm not shure what you should be named then.
and i don't talk about copyright holders, that's not the same. imo they sometimes do not respect the property of an artists work.
businessmen they usually don't care! and might even call themselfes artists, well some sort of i guess.
i guess to many people, especially in this branch, has taken rights on work they never did, from the very beginning on, it's to easy and you don't leave a fingerprint on a sofware usually (they did i know, but not legally, just for fun you can say*). ok, today's tech. allows such things, but i don't have to tell you who will use this mostly, or do i have to?
though what is legal after all then?
one thing for shure, to dig the potatoes out of the clay and sell thenm on the market.
* press certain key combinations in a uncommon way that will cripple your fingers and you get the developers name on the screen, e.g.
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open gl capture, hm?
i was trying to test that to, i didn't get to far cause i haven't the time for it.
and i was "fearing" to reverse engineer FE2 objects by scripting?
and i still do somehow, i think to respect any artists property of his creation is a must if you call yourself a artist, else i'm not shure what you should be named then.
and i don't talk about copyright holders, that's not the same. imo they sometimes do not respect the property of an artists work.
businessmen they usually don't care! and might even call themselfes artists, well some sort of i guess.
i guess to many people, especially in this branch, has taken rights on work they never did, from the very beginning on, it's to easy and you don't leave a fingerprint on a sofware usually (they did i know, but not legally, just for fun you can say*). ok, today's tech. allows such things, but i don't have to tell you who will use this mostly, or do i have to?
though what is legal after all then?
one thing for shure, to dig the potatoes out of the clay and sell thenm on the market.
* press certain key combinations in a uncommon way that will cripple your fingers and you get the developers name on the screen, e.g.
well rct3 runs on direct x so its direct x capture. There is a tool called OGLE that works for open GL though
It seems like a very grey area because whilst it is being taken from the game it isnt being used for profit or personal gain.