Is using EDIO.com Cheating?

[Werewolf13]

I use edio.com and it's made me a lot of credits. But some times it feels like cheating.

AT other times I figure it's the 34th century and there would be tools like edio available to anyone that wanted to purchase the service or use the 34th century version of the intergalactic internet.

What say you?

 

[Aussiedroid]

Personal call IMO, go with what your gut tells you. If you are feeling its a bit of a cheat then dont use it and figure it out in game.

Saying that, I think there could be a lot more information in the game to assist players so I can understand why people use these sites. Especially tracking down locations of items .. that can be very frustrating at times.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I use edio.com and it's made me a lot of credits. But some times it feels like cheating.

AT other times I figure it's the 34th century and there would be tools like edio available to anyone that wanted to purchase the service or use the 34th century version of the intergalactic internet.

What say you?

Had this "fight" in a game forum once. The devs had made a feature toggleable, basically, if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Critics actually complained that by having the option to use it, that they were going to use it, and since it made the game "easier", it should be taken out of the game. Now, keep in mind, this was a single player game... that's it - no multiplayer, no effect whatsover on the game of others. To me, it's the ultimate example of shirking personal responsibility for one's own actions.

Does your making tons of money affect others in this game? Maybe, under the right conditions. Is the tool available to others? yes.

From my point of view you're welcome to use whatever you need to to make the game more enjoyable, as I generally play lone-wolf anyways.

Basically, what I'm saying is: If you don't like it, don't use it. You won't find me flying off to Sothis or Ceos, or scooping up precious gems, but I have found other portions of the game (and external tools) that allow me to over-maximize the gain for my time. If I ever feel that those tools or methods are making the game too easy, I'll stop using them.

...my two cents.

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And I'd like to point out that as I use inara.cz, I update it... which is basically handing OpSec to the other players out there.

 

[Sapyx]

I've always regarded going to third-party websites to be akin to wandering into the local bar at a space station and chatting to the other pilots, about where good trade routes are, or certain hard-to-find commodities or modules, or tips on avoiding pirates.

In other words, it's a perfectly reasonable substitute for something that "should" actually be doable in the 34th century, that currently has no in-game analogue. So it isn't "cheating".

 

[Cargobane]

Can you imagine trying to do anything in the game without the internet? The space crickets would surround you in no time, and cannon altering events would silently slip by you hundreds of light years away. Use whatever you need, I think it's expected. Kind of like that annoying assumption that everyone is a facebook slave.

 

[LameoveR]

what is EDIO.COM?

 

[Cargobane]

Maybe he mistyped, clearly he meant this site http://www.edion.com/

 

[Aussiedroid]

I think he means:

https://eddb.io/

or similar sites anyways

 

[LameoveR]

oh.
well, it's like using google

 

[Itaki]

I use edio.com and it's made me a lot of credits. But some times it feels like cheating.

AT other times I figure it's the 34th century and there would be tools like edio available to anyone that wanted to purchase the service or use the 34th century version of the intergalactic internet.

What say you?

I imagine a Prisoner of Lore or Immersion Worshiper would balk at using 3rd party ED data mining tools, at least in public...then secretly use them anyway.

 

[Nagual]

Since FDev are fully supporting the use of third party tools and sites, I'd say no it's not cheating.

 

[Henkka77]

Combat logging is cheating.
Menu logging is cheating.

Eddb.io is a tool and therefore far from cheating.

 

[Aussiedroid]

Combat logging is cheating.
Menu logging is cheating.

Eddb.io is a tool and therefore far from cheating.

Is a tool instead of being a tool?

hehe!

 

[Hooplah]

Greetings,

It is mid 2016 with massive amounts of info, websites and even YouTube how-to videos from Frontier Developments and many others available. Given the complexity and the dangerous aspect of the game play, especially how the balance changes with each addition, it would be unwise NOT to take advantage of these resources including this Forum. How many players lost many hours of game play starting back in a Sidewinder because they didn't realize how important insurance was? Then they come to the Forum and find out.

When planetary landings arrived I had lot's of problems at first. Off to YouTube to see the landing videos and now I can land. Read some more on the Forum and I can land a Cobra or a Clipper and know the difference given the gravitational values of a planet as well as where not to go! Next up the buggy was a nightmare getting it programmed into my controllers to respond correctly. Off to the Internet and it is dialed in great. Now I can push the limits where without this help I would still be wondering where my ship went. Anyone tried Olympic pool diving with a 2.0 twist in a flying Buggy?

The list goes on with trading, smuggling, bounty hunting, exploring, PvP, community goals and any other aspect of the game. The great thing about the Internet is that when you have a problem in a game someone else has figured it out for you. Frontier Developments supports this plus they don't have to hire more employees to deal with it or even come up with a massive manual discussing everything which changes with every update. It is a win win for every player.

If you think that this is cheating then consider that NASA in the late 60's going to the moon didn't give the astronauts a basic manual, put then into the ship and told them to figure out all the rest! They had 11,000 people on the ground from 100 different companies supporting each flight. Without them Apollo 13 would not have made it home. Today Elite Dangerous has several hundred thousands more people than NASA has ever hired with much better instant communications. As I see it ED was designed from the start to support the players and all they have to offer to make the game a great community experience. Other competitors will learn from this.

Regards

 

[DukeIronHand]

I've always regarded going to third-party websites to be akin to wandering into the local bar at a space station and chatting to the other pilots, about where good trade routes are, or certain hard-to-find commodities or modules, or tips on avoiding pirates.

In other words, it's a perfectly reasonable substitute for something that "should" actually be doable in the 34th century, that currently has no in-game analogue. So it isn't "cheating".

This is how I look at it also. Plus using the 33rd century version of the Internet.

 

[Nick Sticks]

Maybe he mistyped, clearly he meant this site http://www.edion.com/

I think I've just bought something.
.

 

[Flavourless]

Not cheating, but the very act of asking shows that your feeling is that something is not quite right.
People who rely on external sources of information miss out on the discovery aspect of the game, and then ironically complain about lack of depth.

To give a simple example.
Many people think trading is boring. But all they do is ask others to find them a profitable route, or a lucrative source of delivery missions.
If you take the time to work out how commodity prices are affected by system economies, political instabilities, availability of local resources, player activity and the like, then you get the ability to make decent profits without being led by the nose - which is much more interesting.

The same with all aspects of the game.
Asking for ship builds, rare goods locations, compromised nav beacon systems, combat techniques or whatever - is not the best way to get the most out of the game.

 

[Whiterose]

I've always regarded going to third-party websites to be akin to wandering into the local bar at a space station and chatting to the other pilots, about where good trade routes are, or certain hard-to-find commodities or modules, or tips on avoiding pirates.

In other words, it's a perfectly reasonable substitute for something that "should" actually be doable in the 34th century, that currently has no in-game analogue. So it isn't "cheating".

This. I have no problem with third party tools. After all, you still have to do the work. Cheating is getting something for nothing.

 

[Crimson Kaim]

AFAIK: ED have stated that they will not officially support tools that are already available through 3rd parties (Example: HUD colour changer) but are completely fine with it as logn as they do not access local files from Elite Dangerous such as market information to quickly calculate the best tarde route of the whole bubble.

 

[DukeIronHand]

Not cheating, but the very act of asking shows that your feeling is that something is not quite right.
People who rely on external sources of information miss out on the discovery aspect of the game, and then ironically complain about lack of depth.

To give a simple example.
Many people think trading is boring. But all they do is ask others to find them a profitable route, or a lucrative source of delivery missions.
If you take the time to work out how commodity prices are affected by system economies, political instabilities, availability of local resources, player activity and the like, then you get the ability to make decent profits without being led by the nose - which is much more interesting.

The same with all aspects of the game.
Asking for ship builds, rare goods locations, compromised nav beacon systems, combat techniques or whatever - is not the best way to get the most out of the game.

I thought kind of like you at first and, in a perfect game, you may be correct.

However, unless I just have been lazy (and I hardly get as much play time as I want), the trade model seems to not be "intuitive." In my early days of trading it seemed ridiculous I didn't have more information on markets - and I paid for it - or didn't get paid as the case may be!

By that I mean, traditionally, if I buy stuff from where it should be made cheaply, then carry it to where it is used (or in demand) I should make a profit. Perhaps not taking some of the factors into account that you mention above is my laziness but this is the 33rd century. Do not people, governments, and corporations not communicate?
"We need this! Top prices paid! Sell here" or "Hey! We got the best prices for all your machinery needs! Buy here!" kind of stuff...