Its not an issue, its a wish. ED is not going to stop working if someone can't be tilted sideways. If it was so important why not get mum / dad / friend to rock their chair at random times?
Indeed. It also depends on the type of explorer, I guess. Given how superior, and still unique, EDO looks on the surface and how tiling only ever is an issue on the brief approach moment I guess it matters more to the people who mostly stay in space. For surface explorers the tiling is 100% a non issue.
I don't post in these forums. I never do. But I will with this one.
I was an alpha tester for Odyssey. I paid the extra cash on the pre-order to help make sure this game wasn't broken. Raised the same concerns as the other folks who pre-ordered, had the concerns brushed off with the promise of a better in-house verision. When Odyssey officially dropped, I tried to get a refund and got sent on a he said she said between FDev and Steam, because it only counted my thousands of hours in the base game instead of the individual, and under three at the time of refund request, hours in Odyssey. Both denied me my refund, saying it was the other's responsibility. I waited for the game to get fixed, resigning myself to being out that money after weeks of trying to get a refund.
I am an explorer. I come across these tiled planets daily when I play. It is an eyesore and a bother. This is a BROKEN part of the game, by your own admission. The fact you won't be fixing this, full stop, is completely and utterly unacceptable. It is a core, fundamental aspect of this game, the planetary generation, and you are going to just leave it broken? Not even a down the line fix? What did I pay extra to help bug test for you guys for? Honestly, this is getting to be draining. Coming back to updates that just tell us what you won't be doing, with no real talks about what's coming next.
Elite is by far my favorite game. But at the end of the day, the completely garbage communication and the complete and total lack of the things FDev were doing all last year that made the waiting acceptable is just salt in the wound. FDev absolutely refuses to treat Elite as the game it is, a live service game, and it is rapidly souring myself and most of my friends' attitudes towards both the game and the company. I just got back into the game after a three month hiatus, and don't get me wrong, I love the fixes and added things that have been given through the past 11 updates. But this, in addition to the console fiasco, genuinely is painting a picture that FDev is looking to drop Elite as an actively developed game and is just going to wait another year to tell us, like you guys did with the console development.
If you are going to constantly tell us what isn't going to be added or fixed to the game, are you at least going to tell us what all these vague nonsense "story" things you are supposedly making are going to be? Because if it's just more text in Galnet, that isn't story. It's a fake newsfeed that has no real depth to it. You guys need to tell us what, if anything, is next.
I was an alpha tester for Odyssey. I paid the extra cash on the pre-order to help make sure this game wasn't broken. Raised the same concerns as the other folks who pre-ordered, had the concerns brushed off with the promise of a better in-house verision. When Odyssey officially dropped, I tried to get a refund and got sent on a he said she said between FDev and Steam, because it only counted my thousands of hours in the base game instead of the individual, and under three at the time of refund request, hours in Odyssey. Both denied me my refund, saying it was the other's responsibility. I waited for the game to get fixed, resigning myself to being out that money after weeks of trying to get a refund.
I am an explorer. I come across these tiled planets daily when I play. It is an eyesore and a bother. This is a BROKEN part of the game, by your own admission. The fact you won't be fixing this, full stop, is completely and utterly unacceptable. It is a core, fundamental aspect of this game, the planetary generation, and you are going to just leave it broken? Not even a down the line fix? What did I pay extra to help bug test for you guys for? Honestly, this is getting to be draining. Coming back to updates that just tell us what you won't be doing, with no real talks about what's coming next.
Elite is by far my favorite game. But at the end of the day, the completely garbage communication and the complete and total lack of the things FDev were doing all last year that made the waiting acceptable is just salt in the wound. FDev absolutely refuses to treat Elite as the game it is, a live service game, and it is rapidly souring myself and most of my friends' attitudes towards both the game and the company. I just got back into the game after a three month hiatus, and don't get me wrong, I love the fixes and added things that have been given through the past 11 updates. But this, in addition to the console fiasco, genuinely is painting a picture that FDev is looking to drop Elite as an actively developed game and is just going to wait another year to tell us, like you guys did with the console development.
If you are going to constantly tell us what isn't going to be added or fixed to the game, are you at least going to tell us what all these vague nonsense "story" things you are supposedly making are going to be? Because if it's just more text in Galnet, that isn't story. It's a fake newsfeed that has no real depth to it. You guys need to tell us what, if anything, is next.
Yes, that is basically it. And after that there will be another thing. And another. And they will never think anything anyone else may want should ever get some kind of priority over anything they want.
As someone who doesnt care much about powerplay in its current form, and has been exploring since 2014: it is bloody obvious its about time you guys get some attention instead of explorers. Smuggling should get it, too. The storyline should finally move on to something tangible.
But thats just my take. Others will say that FD not focussing on them like the last few times is the worst thing ever.
Maybe one day the sunlight will hit my Morlock Powerplay face.Yes, that is basically it. And after that there will be another thing. And another. And they will never think anything anyone else may want should ever get some kind of priority over anything they want.
As someone who doesnt care much about powerplay in its current form, and has been exploring since 2014: it is bloody obvious its about time you guys get some attention instead of explorers. Smuggling should get it, too. The storyline should finally move on to something tangible.
But thats just my take. Others will say that FD not focussing on them like the last few times is the worst thing ever.
Perhaps Powerplay should be fought on foot, across identical hills?
I maybe wrong, but i suspect that an algorithme generate procedurally some tiles that are then corrected by artists.
That's how Oblivion was made, no?
Why would you use procedural generation (which could make a practically infinite number of cliff edge shapes) to produce a small handful which you then manually touch up? It would be like going to the trouble of writing code to randomly generate bingo cards and then taking the first 5, photoshopping them to look pretty and printing off thousands of copies? Utter madness surely?
That's how most hand-crafted worlds are made (for example, an artist uses a "rock" paintbrush to spread rocks along a countryside), but that's not the same as pure on-the-fly procgen. The main difference is the number of variations one can achieve. Like Ian said, it takes a LOT of templates to hide repetition, which granted is possible using pre-generated assets, but it's not the most elegant or cost-effective solution. I suspect the most elegant solution is an on-the-fly procgen template that is passed to a simple AI that plays the role of the artist to "correct" things.
Speaking of corrective AI, how hard would it have been for Frontier to pop tiles from a stack to prevent a dozen identical dragons or scorpions from wallpapering a planet? That seems like an amateur mistake to me that could have easily been avoided.
Bugs typically give a very interesting insight into how things might work under the hood. Here is my guess: There are a various 'decks' of tiles. Each deck has [x] number of possible tiles that can be selected for the basic planet outline. Depending on the planet properties from stellar forge, irrelevant cards are discarded. Very low G planet? Some cards are gone. No atmo? Even more go out of the window. Et cetera. On itself this is fine: SF filters the cards, which are then shuffled, resized, stretched and combined. After that you have low-level PG to give them a unique look on low altitudes and surface level. A very big advantage is that it is a flexible system for adding new planet types: you dont need to change the old ones, you can just add a new deck for [condition X], add tiles, and only allow those planets to select from it.Speaking of corrective AI, how hard would it have been for Frontier to pop tiles from a stack to prevent a dozen identical dragons or scorpions from wallpapering a planet? That seems like an amateur mistake to me that could have easily been avoided.
The problem is that apparently there are edge cases where a specific set of conditions filter too much, all the way down to only 1 available tile from that deck. Which then gets plastered all over the planet as the system thinks having 30 identical tiles of the right deck and filter selections is more appropriate than adding different, but 'inappropriate' tiles. For most planets there is no issue at all. For some there is a small issue as the deck is smallish and a tile might be selecting twice. And for extreme outliers you get these bizarre 100% identical patches over and over.
Yep, like a lot of games, if not most of games.
Because, i guess, the algorithme used to generate a seed is much more advanced than the one used in classical map generator. Then each tile is tightly analysed in many differents states (level of erosion, scattering for exemple) to blend on the fly the external assets correctly. Then refactored as seed and all theses seeds are used to generate a new seed as a planet.
Seeds are not generated on the fly in EDO. And there is no AI in the game. Moreover, AI does not produce exactly the same result every time from the same input data. So it can't be a solution for on-the-fly generation.That's how most hand-crafted worlds are made (for example, an artist uses a "rock" paintbrush to spread rocks along a countryside), but that's not the same as pure on-the-fly procgen. The main difference is the number of variations one can achieve. Like Ian said, it takes a LOT of templates to hide repetition, which granted is possible using pre-generated assets, but it's not the most elegant or cost-effective solution. I suspect the most elegant solution is an on-the-fly procgen template that is passed to a simple AI that plays the role of the artist to "correct" things.
Speaking of corrective AI, how hard would it have been for Frontier to pop tiles from a stack to prevent a dozen identical dragons or scorpions from wallpapering a planet? That seems like an amateur mistake to me that could have easily been avoided.
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Just another disappointment from FD, I've come to expect nothing more.
Hey, maybe this means they’ll fix lighting and antialiasing now…
Dammit! I can't stop laughing now!
When the console release was canceled it was clear that not much was to be expected.
Where will the funding come from? So resources are saved.
What follows: silence, sometimes broken by bad news.
Where will the funding come from? So resources are saved.
What follows: silence, sometimes broken by bad news.
I got the impression that there was nothing more to say from FDevs end about this, and I don't recall seeing anything from us that was really worth responding to.
I would actually like to THANK Frontier for communicating with the community, even when it's seen as bad news. I'll also argue that making a definitive decision is progress, regardless whether I agree with that decision or not.
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It seems they are clearing out all the bad news, so when they do give an actual development update it wont be overshadowed by the simultaneous negative news.
It's a great example of a corporate sanctioned statement.
The salient points are as much about what isn't said, rather than what actually is, whilst giving off the surface impression of 'honesty' & 'humility'.
It's a neat trick. Politicians have been utilising it for years.