And that is precisely why FDev will not say anything unless and until they have something ready.
Yeah, I very much expect the manual element to the "baking" process would have been a human sanity check on what algorithmic settlement placements the procgen spat out, and "no more", and even then you can only spend so many manhours doing it -- there's plenty of peculiar locations that must have been "ok"-clicked past on "idling engine", by some poor, tired employee on QA duty.
The one I keep bringing up is Mic Turner base over in the California Nebula, which was originally built to study a field of "space pumpkins" there, and as such located right next to it, back when "flora" was added to the game. A tourist beacon was subsequently added, recounting this, but today that beacon, and the field it's in, is on the opposite side of the body, to the base, and in a ravine, rather than a flat area, and somehow a Thargoid barnacle has ended up inside one of the large landing pad slabs at the base.
Now, I'd like to think that the latter is a deliberate bit of environmental story telling, to create rumors about what Mahon and company may be up to, but the likelyhood of it
simply being a procgen edge case, overlooked by QA, rings ever so much truer to jaded ears. Already in Horizons, the type of flora in the field had changed, at some point.
I am also pretty sure every settlement and other POI comes with a bitmap that modifies the ground to fit the prefabbed environment - maybe with just a single multiplication, I don't know. It looks kind of funny in the SRV intro tutorial, where it produces an isolated plateu down the slope of a crater wall, demonstrating that it can brute-force some rather extreme cases, and doesn't necessarily need hand placement to make something "usable".
Probably, something something going wrong with the application of this, between visible and collision geometry, is the cause of the occasional place where you find your SRV driving on an invisible surface above ground -- there's also the occasional handful of surface scatter rocks, whose rendering does not become suppressed, in a landing pad shaft.
Balancing noise in the new terrain generation would reasonably be about tweaking factors and limits in procgen rules, regardless of why one may feel the need for balancing -- I'm kind of wondering whether we're talking an algorithmic noise function actually generating new pseudo-random noise every time, or if it is just as much one or a few pre-generated bitmaps of static, as all other terrain "tiles"; Unlike them, with noise I'm pretty sure I'd rarely notice - no interesting features that stand out and catch your eye.
Oh, and extrapolation is dead reconning the tail of a trend.
The one I keep bringing up is Mic Turner base over in the California Nebula, which was originally built to study a field of "space pumpkins" there, and as such located right next to it, back when "flora" was added to the game. A tourist beacon was subsequently added, recounting this, but today that beacon, and the field it's in, is on the opposite side of the body, to the base, and in a ravine, rather than a flat area, and somehow a Thargoid barnacle has ended up inside one of the large landing pad slabs at the base.
Now, I'd like to think that the latter is a deliberate bit of environmental story telling, to create rumors about what Mahon and company may be up to, but the likelyhood of it
simply being a procgen edge case, overlooked by QA, rings ever so much truer to jaded ears. Already in Horizons, the type of flora in the field had changed, at some point.
I am also pretty sure every settlement and other POI comes with a bitmap that modifies the ground to fit the prefabbed environment - maybe with just a single multiplication, I don't know. It looks kind of funny in the SRV intro tutorial, where it produces an isolated plateu down the slope of a crater wall, demonstrating that it can brute-force some rather extreme cases, and doesn't necessarily need hand placement to make something "usable".
Probably, something something going wrong with the application of this, between visible and collision geometry, is the cause of the occasional place where you find your SRV driving on an invisible surface above ground -- there's also the occasional handful of surface scatter rocks, whose rendering does not become suppressed, in a landing pad shaft.
Balancing noise in the new terrain generation would reasonably be about tweaking factors and limits in procgen rules, regardless of why one may feel the need for balancing -- I'm kind of wondering whether we're talking an algorithmic noise function actually generating new pseudo-random noise every time, or if it is just as much one or a few pre-generated bitmaps of static, as all other terrain "tiles"; Unlike them, with noise I'm pretty sure I'd rarely notice - no interesting features that stand out and catch your eye.
Oh, and extrapolation is dead reconning the tail of a trend.
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Good decision. Honestly, i have seen worse and i can get over this.
Give me a few new Guns to shoot things, and i will be happy
Give me a few new Guns to shoot things, and i will be happy
Yeah, beta could make sense to find bugs before general release, but knowing the forum I think it would better be done by a small number of long time elite players in private. Of course it would also need FDev to actually listen and fix the bugs before releasing. I feel a bit doomy today, so I'm not quite sure how well that would work..
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wouldnt it be good if there was a small group of players who were committed enough to even pay a ludicrous amount of money to help support the game with a view to be given exactly those privalages. maybe they could have their own Design Discussion Forum which after discussing the developers could release Design Decisions. it would never happen however
.Nah, I can't see paying ludicrous amounts of money for the privilege..
I suppose they could look at the issue tracker and look for people that make sensible bug reports, then check if they play many hours each week, and if so send out an invitation. If I were to receive such an invitation I'd accept and be willing to play the beta and report the issues I encounter.
Still I seriously doubt this will happen..
I suppose they could look at the issue tracker and look for people that make sensible bug reports, then check if they play many hours each week, and if so send out an invitation. If I were to receive such an invitation I'd accept and be willing to play the beta and report the issues I encounter.
Still I seriously doubt this will happen..
What for ? The bug report is a popularity contest. And you get limited votes. Ensuring only a limited amount of bugs are actually "reported".Nah, I can't see paying ludicrous amounts of money for the privilege..
I suppose they could look at the issue tracker and look for people that make sensible bug reports, then check if they play many hours each week, and if so send out an invitation. If I were to receive such an invitation I'd accept and be willing to play the beta and report the issues I encounter.
Still I seriously doubt this will happen..
It is the dumbest way to report bugs I've ever experienced in a videogame. It's like they don't want them to be fixed, or even reported.
I suspect that you might be right, I've never seen a bug tracker work by voting and issues just falling off because not getting enough votes. IMO it's really a daft system..
It's even worse when you think many people simply stop posting bugs because it won't get through anyway.
I know I do. What's the point ?
Even when they get through the whole stupid process, there is a big chance they'll get discarded like the one for this thread, or they'll take years to fix it (like the megaship issue).
sorry I was being facetious because FD did exactly that back in the day but they never really followed through with it. for the record I am not one of the Founders, but I trust in general those who are to understand the direction of the game as originally pitched and that they likely would steer the game in a better direction than the average player who got the game free from epic or for £5 in a steam sale.Nah, I can't see paying ludicrous amounts of money for the privilege..
I suppose they could look at the issue tracker and look for people that make sensible bug reports, then check if they play many hours each week, and if so send out an invitation. If I were to receive such an invitation I'd accept and be willing to play the beta and report the issues I encounter.
Still I seriously doubt this will happen..
For what it is worth, the source of mindless meme-ing I have gotten used to seeing on this forum, is from a small cadre or people who with great predictibility will storm into any thread were anybody has the temerity to find something in EliteDangerous land less than perfectly satisfactory, in order to condescend to gripers, and drown out any signal-to-noise ratio, by bringing their "in-group" thread of such memes with them.
Founder level was just half of the Kickstarter pledge needed for DDF.
sorry yes you are correct. I blame the Easter sunshine (and 1 too many sherries)
"We've done a deep overhaul of underlying planetary surface generation systems, breaking them completely, but after two years it is time to tell you that we never planned to fix the tiling problem. Breaking things with deep system overhauls is far easier, and fixing things with deep system overhauls costs more money."
Nah, happens everywhere, of course.
I am going to choose, now, to be too lazy to go back and root through post histories, for the purpose of trying to determine where the feedback loop of "responding in kind" begins (in terms of attitude (individual and broad-brushstroked-group) ; Not just memes, specifically).
EDIT: 'might as well, for any hypothetical reader of this, who might take a "backwards" message out of the above: Not that it matters who: "started it", in terms of as an excuse. Anybody who think of themselves as arguing in good faith, can do themselves nothing but a dis-service in stooping to the other's perceived low. When you do, you either just widen and cement the gap between yourself and them, if they are actually to any degree honestly debating you, whilst eroding your own claim on moral high ground; Or playing right into their hands, if they are to any degree there for the purpose of trolling the bay. As soon as you ask the other things like whether they are: "going to cry now?", you have turned troller yourself, and you do not: "get back" at a troller with their own arsenal -- especially if your mockery is of a baser kind than their's; They just get all the more of their bully's high out of the irritation they successfully drew from you, which, sweetly to them, brought you to that dark place. Bullies love the plausible deniability and victim-blaming opportunities afforded by even the most transparent subtlety.
Unfortunately, with differing opinions, tempers, and standards of expression, it is often difficult to tell honest discourse from conceit, especially when there are multiple participants fanning the flames - intentionally or not; But nothing good ever comes out of hostility, in any case, so just de-escale, unilaterally, and if the other doesn't follow, maybe they are not worth wasting your breath on...
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On the other hand I've seen plenty of fixes and improvements arrive through the years, that were not on the "issue tracker"..
I'll find the stream I mentioned and point you to it. If you have landed near a settlement (even Dav's Hope) in EDH then switched to EDO you are very likely to be some considerable distance from the asset in EDO.
For anybody interested, it's DIY Monday Bank Holiday in the UK, so if you pop down to your local DIY shop, there should be plenty of tiles on sale to do the planetary tiling. They have lots of colours and patterns!
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