Issue with exploration data

catanonia · Feb 17, 2015

Has anyone noticed that about 30% of your discovery data on selling isn't recognised when you go back and check ?

I listed in notepad all the new systems I found and scanned, and going back to the galaxy map and checking, 30% of them are still listed as no system data. The other 70% are fine.

Anyone else ?

remosito · Feb 17, 2015

catanonia said:
Has anyone noticed that about 30% of your discovery data on selling isn't recognised when you go back and check ?

I listed in notepad all the new systems I found and scanned, and going back to the galaxy map and checking, 30% of them are still listed as no system data. The other 70% are fine.

Anyone else ?

I think I misread at first!

You mean there is no system data at all? Like it's all unexplored again? Or you can't even get into the system map at all?
And you were able to sell? Or you weren't even able to sell?

Or is it just about "first discovered"?

catanonia · Feb 17, 2015

remosito said:
It is known... ;-)

can you cross check for the 30% and the 70% how many objects you scanned in those systems?

ender put forth his analysis that the problem occurs only for systems where you have scanned more than 17 or so objects. Confirmation would be invaluable

Thanks, I am going through the list and I have some that are not showing as scanned (show system) on the galaxy map and some that are part scanned.
Luckily I have a full list of the systems I knew I scanned as 1st discoverer.

Will post results here and post a ticket.

Skip Intro · Feb 17, 2015

There is a known and ticketed issue with exploration data not flowing through correctly.

catanonia · Feb 17, 2015

Here are the results and I can#t find any pattern.

y = full credit, p = partial credit (some planets missing) and n = no credit (system unscanned)

I was very OCD when I did a new system and put the name into a notepad document, so I am 100% sure I scanned all of the items. Also had no game crashes, so a bit of a mystery.

Taurus Dark Region QN-T B3-0 y
Hind Sector vo-q b5-1 y
synuefe dk-q b24-1 y
synuefe xc-m c10-2 y
synuefe wf-y b20-0 y
synuefe dp-q b24-1 n
synuefe yl-y b19-0 p
synuefe xq-w b21-2 y
synuefe DC-S D5-41 n
synuefe GO-R B24-1 y
synuefe ga-h c13-2 y
synuefe kf-o b26-3 y
synuefe nq-m b27-2 p
synuefe ef-h c13-6 p
synuefe dk-q b24-1 y
synuefe qw-k b28-2 y
synuefe hj-u A57-0 y
synuefe dk-q b24-1 y
synuefe lp-s a58-2 y
synuefe lp-s a58-4 y
synuefe kp-s a58-2 y
synuefe qv-q a59-1 n
synuefe qv-q a59-2 n
synuefe wh-n a61-0 y
synuefe wh-n a61-4 y
V1429 Orionis y
V1441 Orionis y
H97B 67 p
Flame Sector OY-Q B5-0 y
Flame Sector TE-P B6-0 y
Col 70 Sector ID-I D10-14 y
Col 70 Sector bn-f b42-1 y
HIP 28863 y

Ravenov · Feb 17, 2015

Definitely file a ticket if you haven't already.

catanonia · Feb 17, 2015

Support ticket created and hoping it helps find the problem.

Not asking for the money credits, but would be nice if they credited me the discoveries of the missing systems.

remosito · Feb 17, 2015

catanonia said:
Here are the results and I can#t find any pattern.

y = full credit, p = partial credit (some planets missing) and n = no credit (system unscanned)

I was very OCD when I did a new system and put the name into a notepad document, so I am 100% sure I scanned all of the items. Also had no game crashes, so a bit of a mystery.

Taurus Dark Region QN-T B3-0 y
Hind Sector vo-q b5-1 y
synuefe dk-q b24-1 y
synuefe xc-m c10-2 y
synuefe wf-y b20-0 y
synuefe dp-q b24-1 n
synuefe yl-y b19-0 p
synuefe xq-w b21-2 y
synuefe DC-S D5-41 n
synuefe GO-R B24-1 y
synuefe ga-h c13-2 y
synuefe kf-o b26-3 y
synuefe nq-m b27-2 p
synuefe ef-h c13-6 p
synuefe dk-q b24-1 y
synuefe qw-k b28-2 y
synuefe hj-u A57-0 y
synuefe dk-q b24-1 y
synuefe lp-s a58-2 y
synuefe lp-s a58-4 y
synuefe kp-s a58-2 y
synuefe qv-q a59-1 n
synuefe qv-q a59-2 n
synuefe wh-n a61-0 y
synuefe wh-n a61-4 y
V1429 Orionis y
V1441 Orionis y
H97B 67 p
Flame Sector OY-Q B5-0 y
Flame Sector TE-P B6-0 y
Col 70 Sector ID-I D10-14 y
Col 70 Sector bn-f b42-1 y
HIP 28863 y

thank you kindly!

if I could bother you a tad further. Could you look up how many credits you got and how many credits you didn't get for each of the partial ones?

synuefe yl-y b19-0 p
synuefe nq-m b27-2 p
synuefe ef-h c13-6 p
H97B 67 p

I guess no way to find out about these systems with n, than going there again. I assume you can't even get into system map?
Do you remember if they showed up on the sale page?

synuefe qv-q a59-1 n
synuefe DC-S D5-41 n
synuefe qv-q a59-2 n
synuefe dp-q b24-1 n

synuefe is towards witch head/orion nebula, no?

catanonia · Feb 17, 2015

Correct, syneufe is between lave and witchhead on way to Orion.

The ones with "n" I can't even get into the system map on the galaxy map.

I have no way of telling how much I got or didn't get as the data has been sold and I don't know a way of getting the sell information back. I only found out about the problem when I picked a system to see my name in lights and the map showed as unscanned. That got me searching through the rest of my list checking.

catanonia · Feb 17, 2015

Ticket No 00000039763

remosito · Feb 17, 2015

catanonia said:
Correct, syneufe is between lave and witchhead on way to Orion.

The ones with "n" I can't even get into the system map on the galaxy map.

I have no way of telling how much I got or didn't get as the data has been sold and I don't know a way of getting the sell information back. I only found out about the problem when I picked a system to see my name in lights and the map showed as unscanned. That got me searching through the rest of my list checking.

oops.. for the p ones. by credits I didn't mean Cr as in currency. But Credits as in "first discovered" credit/tag.... that was very stupid choice of words on my part :-(

to reword it:

for the partial systems if you could specifiy for each one how many first disovered tags you got and how many you didn't, that would be awesome!

(just trying to verify the more than 17 bodies scanned theory from ender)

catanonia · Feb 17, 2015

Ah, gotcha

I never scan belts so assume on average +4 objects per system per belt.

I see you are looking for the more than > x number of objects in a system here.

synuefe yl-y b19-0 p
27 Objects, not including 2 belts
19 planets not credited

synuefe nq-m b27-2 p
27 Objects, not including 1 belt
17 planets not credited

synuefe ef-h c13-6 p
16 Objects, not including 2 belts
3 planets not credited

H97B 67 p
24 Objects, not including 1 belt
11 planets not credited

I have a sneaky suspicion it may be to do with asteroid belts as well, but hard to find a pattern. The reason is that belts have no "discoverer" to them and they are always named and not put as unexplored. Once you start scanning a system with belts in and you don't scan them, things seem to go a bit wrong at times. But that said, I do have systems with belts in that have worked fine.

remosito · Feb 17, 2015

catanonia said:
Ah, gotcha

I never scan belts so assume on average +4 objects per system per belt.

I see you are looking for the more than > x number of objects in a system here.

synuefe yl-y b19-0 p
27 Objects, not including 2 belts
19 planets not credited

synuefe nq-m b27-2 p
27 Objects, not including 1 belt
17 planets not credited

synuefe ef-h c13-6 p
16 Objects, not including 2 belts
3 planets not credited

H97B 67 p
24 Objects, not including 1 belt
11 planets not credited

I have a sneaky suspicion it may be to do with asteroid belts as well, but hard to find a pattern. The reason is that belts have no "discoverer" to them and they are always named and not put as unexplored. Once you start scanning a system with belts in and you don't scan them, things seem to go a bit wrong at times. But that said, I do have systems with belts in that have worked fine.

thank you most kindly!

So looks like the ones which were partial are all systems which have a lot of bodies indeed.

Interesting thought about the asteroid belts...

catanonia · Feb 17, 2015

It may be belts + no objects as belts do add to the object count considerably.

Raises the big question.

Is the issue / bug at the point of scan or at selling ?

If it is at the point of scan, then all those explorers out there may be wasting their time with a good % of their scans and FD can probably do nothing about it other than take Cmdrs on their word if it is not actually logged on the servers.

remosito · Feb 17, 2015

catanonia said:
It may be belts + no objects as belts do add to the object count considerably.

Raises the big question.

Is the issue / bug at the point of scan or at selling ?
If it is at the point of scan, then all those explorers out there may be wasting their time with a good % of their scans.

But at the time of scan would make me rather upset I fear!

One last clarification: for those 19/17/3/11 planets you were not credited: do they show up as unexplored now? or with full name and all data except "first discovered tag" is missing?

Okay, make that two clarifications ;-) :

of those systems where you got full credit: Is any of them a big system where you have scanned 16 or more bodies? And if yes. Asteroid belt? (I know I am a pain)

catanonia · Feb 17, 2015

Some GOOD NEWS

The missing ones are shown as explored, but not 1st discoverer. That would indicate that at LEAST the PARTIAL ones were logged.

I fear that the others I have with the "n" tag were not even registered with the server and are LOST.

remosito · Feb 17, 2015

catanonia said:
Some GOOD NEWS

The missing ones are shown as explored, but not 1st discoverer. That would indicate that at LEAST the PARTIAL ones were logged.

I fear that the others I have with the "n" tag were not even registered with the server and are LOST.

pheew! You made me REALLY nervous there for a second

About the n and p ones:

I put them all into http://dump.bass-speaker.com/discovery.php

and guess what:

Synuefe QV-Q a59-1 Synuefe QV-Q a59-1 Y. Foldson

one of them was already scanned once by Y. Foldson pre 1.1. But it didn't show you him as first discoverer. And now your own scan didn't register at all.....

the other 7 weren't in the pre-1.1 list though. So as a theory this is a deadend

AnnuverScotinExile · Feb 17, 2015

catanonia said:
Some GOOD NEWS

The missing ones are shown as explored, but not 1st discoverer. That would indicate that at LEAST the PARTIAL ones were logged.

I fear that the others I have with the "n" tag were not even registered with the server and are LOST.

... which is exactly what is reported in the other threads (I have pinged the mods to merge them). If you look carefully when you sell the data, you will see that some objects, even though they are clearly scanned, do not say 'discovery scanned' and so you do not get the first finder bonus. You do seem to get the 'normal' fee for scanning them, though.

Poulpe38 · Feb 17, 2015

I got an issue that may be related : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=114426

There was only a partial list of scanned bodies in the sell data, so maybe your problem is related (you have discovered the objects but they are not listed, so no discovered by tag)

Ben Ryder · Feb 17, 2015

Issues all over the place with discovery. Thought I'd give it a go. Was fun and then I saw the big issue of first discovered not working properly. So much for exploration.