General / Off-Topic Italy Voted No in Constitutional Referendum. It's Only a Matter of Time for Italy to Leave the European Union

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Sunleader said:
This happened in almost every Country tough ^^
Just that in most Countries it happened slower or didnt have too much effect ^^


I still remember back then. 51 Cent for 1 DeMark ^^
But most Shops did not Half the Prices at all lol.
Something that Cost 99 Pfennig (1 DM is 100 Pfennig) did not cost 50 Cent like it was supposed to. But went to something like 89 or 79 Cent.
By now the Milk which back then Cost 80 Pfennig costs like 90 Cents lol

Many People outright refused to use Euro and just stayed with DM as long as they could.
I myself back then Converted 50 DM into Euro and went Shopping. I just took the usual stuff that I took every damn Week. Normally this cost me between 35 and 40 DM. And then the Cashier demanded 40 Euro lol.
I looked at him in Disbelief and told him that I always buy this and how it can be that it costs so much now. I was pretty annoyed and then left the Shop in Rage without buying anything just letting the Cashier stand there with the stuff telling him that this is Fraud and that I.ll not buy anything from him lol.

Later on when I bought the stuff somewhere different I didnt really pay less tough.
I scrambled my old Jackets to get an older Bill. And went over the Prices.

And seriously 51 cent for 100 Pfennig was a Joke. Most of the Prices were converted with like 80-90 cent for 100 Pfennig.
Not that it helped anything to know that tough.....
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In the Netherlands it went fairly well. Some prices got jacked (notably beer in pubs!) but on average the conversion went fairly.
 

Sunleader

Sunleader
Adept said:
Finland didn't see much of a price hike, but this place is very law abiding. Or was, at least.
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Well. Admitted. The "most" was just an guess on my Part. ^^

I know it happened in Germany. In the Netherlands, In France and in Spain. Cause in these Countries I was actually there and thus know what they demand.
I cant tell for the Majority xD
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Sunleader said:
Well. Admitted. The "most" was just an guess on my Part. ^^

I know it happened in Germany. In the Netherlands, In France and in Spain. Cause in these Countries I was actually there and thus know what they demand.
I cant tell for the Majority xD
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You know, if you remove me from your ignore list I could show you otherwise. ;)
 

verminstar

Banned
verminstar
Silver linings and all that but if Italy does go under, well I do have a weakness fer italian cars. Last one I had shipped over cost me a small fortune in fees and taxes so maybe get a couple grand knocked off my next one in spring or summer next year. Enjoy the little things as they say ^
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Haha!

"These dumb sheeple reading the shills of the Guardian? Every sane person gets their daily doses of conspiracy theories, racism, sexism and downright psychotic ramblings from Breitbart, am I right? AM I RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!"

[haha]
 

AkenBosch

AkenBosch
Sterlino said:
its interesting to read our (italian) matters from an English point of view.

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please go on
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*Enters the dimly lit theatre searching for a free seat*
- "Mi scusi, è libero il posto accanto al suo? Ah ecco, grazie...Sembra un film interessante
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JeffRyan said:
Most Italians I know voted No. Most Italians I know didn't know what they were voting for. I read the proposals and I didn't know what my wife was voting for. Neither did she. So it became about Renzi. And Renzi isn't popular with left or right.

The rise of populist anti-European movements like 5-Star and UKIP is about the lack of faith in politicians, not Europe itself. Europe tends to get the blame for everything that goes wrong. Not that Europe is perfect.

For the record, historically, the Lire (the Italian currency) was one of the weakest currencies that joined the EU. The massive inflation that happened in Italy post-2002 (and that's when I came to live in Italy) was mainly caused by Italians screwing each other over by pretty much converting the Lire into Euro (and chopping off the 1000), effectively doubling the price. So 5000 Lire became 5 EUR instead of the 2.50 EUR it was supposed to be, but wages stayed the same. This didn't happen in most other countries that converted where the changeover was carefully monitored. Of course, the Euro was blamed, not the mentality of the Italians who laugh when admitting how much money they made during the changeover when a dress that cost 100.000 (100,000) LIRE was 100 EUR instead of 50 EUR. Doubling their profit. Hahahaha. No, you screwed your country over. As did everyone else.

For the record, I still don't understand what the reform was doing. I've read the original and read both interpretations and to be honest... BOH.
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Now this is a fairly spot-on consideration of the problem on the whole. The moment Renzi tied the outcome of this referendum to the outcome of his Prime Minister career, he knew he had screwed up (as he openly admitted in his first resignation speak), from that moment on, what the referendum really was about probably didn't matter for a large share of people who simply saw this as the perfect chance to "send him home"...and with regard to what the referendum really was about, as JeffRyan said most of us really didn't have a real clue, for lack of informations, for excess of too many contrasting informations (a staple of politics), and in most cases for the lack of means to be properly informed: the average cultural level of the "voting pool" of my country is waaay below what should be required for having a basic knowledge of how our political and juridical system really works in the details, and I don't intend it in an (completely) offensive way...our system is truly a gem of a mess [yesnod].

Also, as someone already mentioned somewhere above in another post, I'd like to point out again that yes, Renzi was an un-elected Prime Minister, as were Letta (for a short while) and Monti before him. But last time we as a community had the chance to "choose" (well, we don't really choose anyway) our leader, we appointed Silvio Berlusconi. The one who considered himself to be "the best Prime Minister in Italy's 150 years", and whose most famous worldwide achievement has been "Bungabunga".

Because for as many bright minds a land could have, never, never underestimate the power of gullibility of an entire country.
 

Necronaught

Necronaught
FuzzySpider said:
Do you have any evidence that The Guardian, CNN or whatever unspecified news outlets you're identifying have actively lied?

As for Breitbart:

http://www.cracked.com/article_24363_6-mind-boggling-ways-breitbart-fails-to-report-news.html
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You are kidding right? Get your head out of the sand. The mainstream media are legendary liars, where have been?

Breitbart, Drudge and even Infowars (if you sift through the hyperbole) are legitimate operations and only do a small amount of their own reporting. Drudge especially, although the others I mentioned too, link other people's work. usually the stories that come through Reuters which the mainstream media deem unworthy which usually equates to their their lobbyists or sponsors that would rather keep the information on the low.
 
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