Let's address the passenger problem.

[MassiveD]

737's don't require life support, armour, shielding for planetary reentry, facility for zero gravity, and so on.

A Cutter has the same (and bigger modules), yet it can carry 800 tonnes of cargo, and is a smaller ship even, the above argument, already voiced by majority of people, holds 0 value and makes barely any sense

 

[CookieJarviz]

A Cutter has the same (and bigger modules), yet it can carry 800 tonnes of cargo, and is a smaller ship even, the above argument, already voiced by majority of people, holds 0 value and makes barely any sense

Dont forget if it can carry 800 tons of cargo (which HAS to be alot in space terms) then it should be able to carry thousends of passengers.

 

[Leonick]

the max size for an economy class module is a 4E which holds 16.

Largest Economy class module is 6E, and fits 32. Still, if you fill the Beluga with just economy class modules you can fit 184 passengers. Can get 204 in a Cutter and 202 in an Anaconda.

Obviously the Beluga is a bit bigger than a 737.

Beluga doesn't have one giant room filled with chairs though, they're separated out in to rooms (modules). Then account for observation deck ('wastes' a lot of space when comparing with things like Cutter), Hardpoints, FSD, Thrusters, Power Planet, the 20 tons of sensors, 180 tons of life support systems.

Even accounting for all the other systems you probably could fit more in if it was as "efficient" as modern day passenger planes but maybe they've got higher standards 1000+ years from now?

We'll see sooner or later when we get to walk around the ships.

 

[Hannibal07]

Everything is fine! but i found it hilarious that a 737 holds more passengers than a beluga can? for instance. the max size for an economy class module is a 4E which holds 16. a 737 can hold up to 215 passengers. a beluga is the biggest ship in the game. (flyable) an asp is bigger than a 737. the beluga dwarfs the Asp. Can you see where im going with this?

Let's get things right because comparing a passenger aeroplane to a fictional space luxury liner is like comparing apples to oranges. It doesn't make any sense. A 737 is an aircraft designed to cover short and mid-range distances with a travel time of up to6 hours on earth while a beluga is aimed for intergalactic voyages on an entirely different and unimaginable level. Thus passengers on a beluga have a way longer stay than those on a plane and need to be supplied with extended living conditions than just a narrow seat and a tiny tray table lol.

Even the smallest economy cabins in elite may have the size of a living room or so considering these compartments weigh at least 2 tons in elite hence person onboard have much more space to reside. HOw much does a seat and a tray table weigh? Not even a fraction of that. Imagine fitting those cabins on a 737 you'd gain a cap of maybe 15-20 persons at max. The largest model is regarded to be the 737-900 with a length of roughly 40m so smaller than the Icourier. Go figure how many cabins a courier is able to fit.

 

[MassiveD]

Dont forget if it can carry 800 tons of cargo (which HAS to be alot in space terms) then it should be able to carry thousends of passengers.

Yes, 800 tonnes, would roughly translate (saying that the avarage human being in the future is 80 KG, which is a bit unrealistic , since women are on avarage 50 and men are 70), to about 10,000 passangers in raw weight, obviously lugage, personal possessions, and the compartments themselves would shave of a significant chunk of that, but still no matter which way you calculate, with comparison to numbers that we already have on our ships, Beluga in particular and her arragement makes no sense whatsover.

And the Cutter even has LARGER modules than the Beluga while being a smaller ship, so the argument about Belugas mythicaly sized components for space travel or whatever are simply invalid

 

[Sandmann]

A Cutter has the same (and bigger modules), yet it can carry 800 tonnes of cargo, and is a smaller ship even, the above argument, already voiced by majority of people, holds 0 value and makes barely any sense

You think the equipment to support life in an environment like space, a star's corona, zero or high gravity etc doesn't take up space or weigh anything? Even in a terrestrial cruise ship, the equipment to support 2 lives (a small cabin) weighs over a ton.

Then in a spaceship add insulation, water, food, sewerage, heating and cooling, atmosphere storage and scrubbing, radiation shielding, and god knows what else. The space shuttle is the perfect example... it's about 1/3 the size of a 747 but typically only carried 5-7 people, as many as you'd carry in a medium sized cessna.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Yes, 800 tonnes, would roughly translate (saying that the avarage human being in the future is 80 KG, which is a bit unrealistic , since women are on avarage 50 and men are 70), to about 10,000 raw passanger weight, obviously lugage, personal possessions, and the compartments themselves would shave of a significant chunk of that, but still no matter which way you calculate, with comparison to numbers that we already have on our ships, Beluga in particular and her arragement makes no sense whatsover.

For people who are saying oh these magical modules or whatever that do this and that, technicly by that logic they are so big on beluga that the passanger space would be something like Tokyo motels, judging by this logic

If you check the pictures of the modules, you'll find they actually are a bit like hotel rooms, even two-story ones for the luxury cabins.

 

[Spiridon]

A Ryanair version would be nice. Workers for Colonia Hub, packed in 1 tone canisters. Passengers, not slaves, but less demanding.

 

[GraXXoR]

*sheesh* every cabin onboard has it's own jacuzzi
and swimming pool
and kitchen with chef
and running lane
and gym
and ...

One does not simply 'share' (ewww) stuff with other passengers.

THe trip only takes 5 minutes, not even time to run the bath. LOL

 

[VR Murgle]

Sigh, for the last time, don't compare ships with planes.

As we seen above, USS Midway, a similar sized carrier had battle stations, a bloody NUCLEAR POWER PLANT ON BOARD, and was still able to house 4000++ people rather comfortably.

And if this is still an argument, then show schematics for said components mentioned, I personally would like to see how these components fair by size and weight accross different sized ships, for some of us numbers mean a bit more than "well I don't know, therefor Jaysus or whatever"

I wasn't the one to make that comparison, I just pointed out the flaws in that comparison. Now I have no idea just how much room the things I mention would taken but it would take more space than a 737 has to offer, not sure about a carrier though.

Even so survival in space ain't no picnic and there's sure to be a lot more I missed.

 

[Jex =TE=]

Everything is fine! but i found it hilarious that a 737 holds more passengers than a beluga can? for instance. the max size for an economy class module is a 4E which holds 16. a 737 can hold up to 215 passengers. a beluga is the biggest ship in the game. (flyable) an asp is bigger than a 737. the beluga dwarfs the Asp. Can you see where im going with this?

It feels as though instead of thinking it through correctly, FD just arbitrarily make it up and let's not bother making sense of it. If they'd just put in some effort in thinking stuff through it wouldn't be so immersion breaking.....

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But why would anyone do it that way. The trips usually take 5-20 mins and some take couple hour max so there is no need for alot of space for one passenger. Who would by ticket to cabin with bed, shower etc. if the trip is only take 10 minutes that is much less time than average time people spent in buses. Cabin would be option for long distance travels that take more than 12 h and even on those trips should be the option for just seat not cabin. It doesn't make sense, has anyone seen buss with cabins for passengers in their towns local commute traffic? Someone forgot the scale of elite universe and how long these trips take when designing the passenger stuff.

This - LOL how does it make sense? FD stop going too far with believability because it's getting stupid now!

 

[Monk]

Eh...it's a game.

If we want to get real real about it...we should probably double or triple the capacity of the T-9.

Outposts should limit the number of ships stored at them.

All passengers should die or at least be very upset by FA-off boost turns

Stars should blind you when you jump in

Nebulae should be a fraction as bright and colorful as they appear

I could go on and on....

It is a game...

EDIT: But if we want to apply some lore to it...people on a space ship need a lot more support than folks on a airplane. From escape pods to sophisticated seating (a lap belt will not cut it).

FD could just increase the numbers displayed, if that makes people happy, but I think that would just clutter things.

 

[VR Murgle]

A Cutter has the same (and bigger modules), yet it can carry 800 tonnes of cargo, and is a smaller ship even, the above argument, already voiced by majority of people, holds 0 value and makes barely any sense

Cargo doesn't eat drink or breathe nor is it particularly sensitive to radiation.

 

[Jex =TE=]

They take 15 minutes *for us as players*.

They are supposed to take longer. In game these tours are supposedly lasting several days.

It's game time compression. Every large game has to compress either time or space in some way in order to make it a game, rather than MS Flight Sim. It's a bit of a cludge in Elite as we co-exit with a supposedly 'real' timeframe, but it is clear that we are 'supposed' to be playing over a longer time period.

Skyrim takes 3 hours to walk across. EQ had an entire continent that took about 6 hours to walk across. Every large game cludges time in some manner in order to give the impression of size without having to walk for days to cross them. ED elected to keep space 'big', and so instead plays a bit loose with time.

No it takes 15 minutes. Time Compression was only part of FE2 and FFE it is not part of Elite Dangerous and never will be - that's why we have supercruise. Your passengers are going to be in their luxury cabin for 15 minutes before they get off at the next "bus stop" LOL

 

[Monk]

No it takes 15 minutes. Time Compression was only part of FE2 and FFE it is not part of Elite Dangerous and never will be - that's why we have supercruise. Your passengers are going to be in their luxury cabin for 15 minutes before they get off at the next "bus stop" LOL

So should we have hours long SC become a regular thing?

 

[Sandmann]

Cargo doesn't eat drink or breathe nor is it particularly sensitive to radiation.

This. In fact there's arguments that cargo holds in elite ships wouldn't even be sealed against vacuum. Why would it? The cargo's in pods that are sealed and can survive in space on their own, all the cargo bays would need is racks to hold the pods and equipment to un/load them. Passenger space would be WAY more complex.

 

[Siranui]

What do the passengers of a 737 breath while traveling through a vacuum?
hm... one more: How are the passengers of the 737 protected against radiation once theyve left the atmosphere?
encore: how does the 737 keep it's passengers warm at absolute zero? How does it keep people cool?
How does the 737 keep the pressure inside from explosively equalizing with the outside? (pressure difference being rather large what with there being no pressure on the hull and all that)

Kind of poor examples there, because a 737 protects passenger against an environment that's pretty close to vacuum in many ways. Outside a 737, it's -50C, a fraction of normal air pressure, higher radiation than ground level (transatlatic flight gives you a dose equal to an X-ray), with an unbreathable atmosphere.

 

[Jex =TE=]

So should we have hours long SC become a regular thing?

Could you explain how that's remotely relevant to what I just said please?

 

[TERMINATRIXXX]

looking at your avater makes me wonder....are you the real bubblegum princes?

I created Aisling to express my split personality hehe

 

[MassiveD]

You think the equipment to support life in an environment like space, a star's corona, zero or high gravity etc doesn't take up space or weigh anything? Even in a terrestrial cruise ship, the equipment to support 2 lives (a small cabin) weighs over a ton.

Then in a spaceship add insulation, water, food, sewerage, heating and cooling, atmosphere storage and scrubbing, and god knows what else. The space shuttle is the perfect example... it's about 1/3 the size of a 747 but typically only carried 5-7 people, as many as you'd carry in a medium sized cessna.

I don't understand why are you presenting hypotheticals?

Go on the game, A7 life support is 80 Tonnes, A8 life supporti s 160 tonnes, 2x 6B luxury cabins are 80 tonnes together, and 2x 5B luxury cabins are 40 tonnes each.

I'm not gonna do exact calculations here, but since Cutter can carry way larger shields, and other components, Cutter uses around 250 more tonnes than beluga on avarage for it's modules, yet can still carry 800 tonnes of cargo (to which I already did the calculation to)

so 250- 80 difference for life support, - 120 tonnes in cabin compartment weight (that includes all the luxury stuff you mentioned), there is still a whoping 850 tonne deficite when comparing Beluga (a larger ship) to the Cutter.

As you can see we don't need to use our imaginations, the raw data is already there, and it doesn't add up