News Let's talk about Gnosis and the Cone Sector

[PublicWifi]

And finally - you forgot that while this game is yours to do with as you wish, that the playerbase are not

Amazing post. I've pretty much been quoting myself all morning by pasting the following:

"So... does FDEV assume there will ever be another event that draws 11,000 commanders? These are real people with low expectations, surviving on bread crumbs, giving fdev the benefit of the doubt many times over... annnnd now this happens."

For years, people have asked me about this game. I've found it to be a hard sale. I love many aspects of the game. Recently, I managed to pump up a lot of people based upon my excitement involving the Gnosis. It became a potential sales pitch for me. "This is it!" I thought to myself. "This is totally what people are looking for in a sandbox game!" Player inspired, dev approved content.

To be honest, even if the Gnosis had made the jump to the Cone, I wouldn't have expected a different outcome. That is to say, the station being raided. Preventing the jump allows people to run back to the bubble instead of being stranded. I get that. I appreciate that to some degree. But having been asked by online friends as well as AFK/IRL friends about the journey, I've been confronted with disappointment and anger by people who don't even own the game. A hard sale in their eyes has now become an impossible one.

I'll quote a non-player: "You didn't even get a 10th of the way there? That's like promising your kids an amazing vacation to Disney World, months in advance, only to pull into the local gas station the day of and tell them Deal with it. This is as far as we're going."

 

[Bryan K]

What would an active attack look like? Like the gnosis can't just be taking damage all day like it was some community raid boss. It couldn't last too long without being destroyed. What would make it any different from arriving at a destroyed station with thatgoids around it? Just curious how you see it.

Wasn’t asking for an all-day attack. Half an hour with players actively defending it would be sufficient. It wouldn’t be the first time-limited event in ED history. In the end, the players would fend off the Thargoid ships, but considerable damage would’ve been done to the Gnosis, and it’d be scarred up and partially on fire.

THAT would’ve been acceptable. Not the garbage we got.

 

[Azirphaeli]

Wasn’t asking for an all-day attack. Half an hour with players actively defending it would be sufficient. It wouldn’t be the first time-limited event in ED history. In the end, the players would fend off the Thargoid ships, but considerable damage would’ve been done to the Gnosis, and it’d be scarred up and partially on fire.

THAT would’ve been acceptable. Not the garbage we got.

I don't think it would be in their interest to have a half hour event where commanders who docked on the gnosis miss it entirely because of work/school/sleep. They have players all around the globe, that's a very bad idea.

 

[Sysmon]

If that's true, then it's a fair point. And I would feel bad for Frontier getting hammered for it! Well now that the waters are sufficiently muddied... lol, I guess I'll take my pitchfork and go mine some ore for the "repair" CG

Who really knows, when it comes down to it. It's all very recycled rumours in here. Seeing where they were going, I was wondering why Cannonn didn't prepare the trip as a military/exploration trip. I hope to be back in the game in time for my Challenger to be able to pitch in.

S

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I don't really buy that to be honest because this wasn't an FD initiative to begin with, it was Canonn, so FD aren't obliged to prepare an entire puzzle for what is a player group initiative.

I don't buy the idea that we 'needed to get halfway' either. Gnosis didn't get into the Cone, that is all. We either had AEGIC saboteurs aboard or - if it was Thargoid - they nailed the hyperspace signature at the departure point.

The system at the moment is really cool fun. I'm an explorer / scientists and I've been o7'ed by a bunch of hairy hunters who don't seem so bad once you get to know 'em. Interdicted, 'friendly scanned' 'and bang to rights in a Corvette's cross-hairs and we're both like 'Yeah, Right On Commander"

They did hipe the event quite a lot.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

No, Cannonn kept pushing and pushing to do the jump, despite FD warning against. Cannonn behaved a bit like the kind of role players that finds a rule loophole and keep hammering it at it despite it not fitting into the general narrative and it might even be derailing for the general game. Unchecked privilege. Then FD did what any sane GM would have done and threw in a roadblock.

And it looks like a great story unfolding! Enjoy it, while remembering that the first thing to die in battle is the plan. It was a jump into the unknown and that's what you got. Meanwhile I'm sad that I'm not there to watch events unfold (shifting house).

S

I can understand grief, but Canonn claiming innosense just tells me everything I need to know about this group. Basically how you described. And lot of players even admit this.

How the hell anyone at Cannon didn't say "yeah, they just forgot to lock that system, but obviously it is a region where they haven't added content yet, so maybe let's not do that". But yeah, they plugged away.

As I said, this is not how it should play out. FD had their fails here, but Canonn....no moral superiority here. Obvious steps ended up in obvious disaster. Everybody needs to do better than that. And that doesn't mean only FD.

 

[Rustnsawdust]

A simple question:

If everyone in the Gnosis system leaves, and no new commanders fly there, what happens? The Gnosis isn't being attacked, it can sit there for eternity.

 

[Old Duck]

Rumor is that there's a

Spoiler

Thargoid base and / or other structures in the current system

so if someone would be so kind as to post the

Spoiler

planet and coordinates of the base

into this thread for those of us not on Reddit / Discord, it might help explorers like myself feel like we got something out of this trip. Thanks!

ps - I recommend using spoiler tags like I did, since it is an actual spoiler.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Who really knows, when it comes down to it. It's all very recycled rumours in here. Seeing where they were going, I was wondering why Cannonn didn't prepare the trip as a military/exploration trip. I hope to be back in the game in time for my Challenger to be able to pitch in.

S

Knowing how Canonn works, I find hard time to believe anything they say that they didn't expect this outcome. They tried force GM / FD hand, hoping maybe FD have something extra to show to them. Unfortunately, it turned out FD doesn't want to play it that way.

 

[Rick Bravo]

Hey Rainbro,

Just to clarify from the post above.

The area of space (Cone sector) that the Gnosis was aiming to jump to was never a location that was able to jump to. This is because the location is specifically meant to be used for future narrative. That's the reason why the initiative from the community was weaved into the actual lore of the game.

Thanks,

Zac

Well, except that's a lie. The cone sector was approved by FD for the Gnosis to jump to and spend 4 weeks in until continuing on to the Formatable rift. This was done weeks in advance and FD had ample time to change their minds before the scheduled jump. All locked sectors are locked for future narrative purposes, everyone knows this, including Fdev that approved the jump into the permit locked sector. FD promoted the Jump in galnet here, and on twitter (do I really need to link them here?). You guys lied to Cannon, you lied to the players and now you are doing again. STOP IT. Fdev willfully threw the player base and Cannon under the bus for some cheap story telling. You know it and so does everyone else and acting like Fdev did nothing wrong only makes the player resent you and Fdev all the more.

 

[CMDR GTR2014]

Haters gonna hate. Let them hate.


They are few and speak loud on the forum. Meanwhile, the real players enjoy the game, and are ingame...

all the 3000 and lowering every month of them... yeah...

 

[Shinji Ikari]

No, Cannonn kept pushing and pushing to do the jump, despite FD warning against. Cannonn behaved a bit like the kind of role players that finds a rule loophole and keep hammering it at it despite it not fitting into the general narrative and it might even be derailing for the general game. Unchecked privilege. Then FD did what any sane GM would have done and threw in a roadblock.

And it looks like a great story unfolding! Enjoy it, while remembering that the first thing to die in battle is the plan. It was a jump into the unknown and that's what you got. Meanwhile I'm sad that I'm not there to watch events unfold (shifting house).

S

Well, considering FDs answer to this event, they themselves seemed to have allowed Cannon to unfold the event or can you cite some objection from FD about the proposal (before the event)?

 

[Trickylion]

well i logged in and kitted up with whatever I managed to transfer so my explorer asp has a few token defenses like a meta alloy hull and a guardian shard cannon along with my mining laser! and some ax missile thing.
so i took off and flew about pretty scared, something immediately knocked my shields out but i managed to re-dock and tried this twice. a few cmdrs were flying about and engaging, i even tried to shoot the thargoid thing with a fixed weapon. But now I wonder seriously what to do.
I don't have the ship to fight these goids, i don't really want to explore around this area. I could fly closer to look at the ammonia world, but its not landable so whats the point.
I could high tail to the nearest shipyard barnards loop is 750 ly away, not sure there's is a shipyard there and the area is pretty much permit locked.
So after getting over the whole we're going on an explorer trip shenanigans, I really can't see much point in hanging around the gnosis, unless I pick up some of these scanner thingies to get the thargoid stuff, but these are quite hardocre aliens and I haven't really fought any yet.
So I don't really know what to do, might just put back on all the explorer kit and off somewhere else and invent something to do....

What a Prognosis the gnosis is!

 

[Ran Oahu]

Nothing? Or it didn't turn out what you wanted?

It's not a matter of being too dangerous or too difficult.
It's a matter of abysmal story telling; inept game mechanics; game breaking bugs; and broken promises. all concentrated in one single event that so many were anticipating and are now resentful about.

When the very element that's drawn most of the players to an event is revealed to have always been bogus;
when the outcome of what's left to do is random and played out in a matter of seconds, it's just NOTHING for the overwhelming majority of the players.

There's only so many chances you can take before you run out of rebuy money—without even having had any significant interaction with the game)

FD could as well have added a button you'd click to have a random chance of either playing or losing the rebuy cost of your ship.

 

[Enderby]

Knowing how Canonn works, I find hard time to believe anything they say that they didn't expect this outcome. They tried force GM / FD hand, hoping maybe FD have something extra to show to them. Unfortunately, it turned out FD doesn't want to play it that way.

How did they (try to) force them? I really don't know how these things get handled.

Why didn't FD say 'well no sorry, not that system/sector. Please pick another'?

 

[Goblin949]

I don't think it would be in their interest to have a half hour event where commanders who docked on the gnosis miss it entirely because of work/school/sleep. They have players all around the globe, that's a very bad idea.

Never heard of making a few "repeats" of these events, say each 2 hours for every time zone. Nothing about waves of attackers. Vaaary bad.

 

[mossfoot]

Something new like this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...0/487303204737122334/Base_at_Outotz_Small.PNG

Yes it's been found, and probably has a new clue. Would have been INFINITELY better if it was found in a trapped Cone Sector system, but oh well.

Well, that's something. I agree being trapped in the Cone Sector would be better, but I'd have settled for an aborted jump half or even a quarter of the distance there. One system over is... anti-climactic. I think the fact we only went one system over lead me to assume there was nothing of interest here. Had we gone any significant distance my first reaction would have been "let's see where we are now!" The aborted jump gave me no reason to assume anything interesting was nearby at all. Quite the opposite.

So, we got something to explore. Good. Let's see where this goes.

But I still think there are lessons to be learned on how to handle such a thing in the future.

 

[Bryan K]

I don't think it would be in their interest to have a half hour event where commanders who docked on the gnosis miss it entirely because of work/school/sleep. They have players all around the globe, that's a very bad idea.

No different than the Salome event, or the hunt for clues leading to the first crash site. Those who care enough make sure to be there.

It was around 2:20 AM for me when the servers came back on, and I was fighting the beginnings of a cold and had to be at work in the morning. Was I there? You bet I was.

 

[Goblin949]

all the 3000 and lowering every month of them... yeah...

You forgot to count thargoid infiltrators! Or did you do that on purpose!

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Knowing how Canonn works, I find hard time to believe anything they say that they didn't expect this outcome. They tried force GM / FD hand, hoping maybe FD have something extra to show to them. Unfortunately, it turned out FD doesn't want to play it that way.

Why didn't they express this disagreement beforehand?

Can you source such claim please?